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zugfuhrer
01-24-2004, 04:28 AM
When there will be a good flight simulator on the market I will pass this one to forgotten flightsims.
A flightsimulator that gives one machinegunbullet the same damageprofile as another, when a plane that turn good dont accelerate as good as plane with high wing-load.
When a light plane looses speed faster than a heavy one after a dive, when AI-planes cant shoot through clouds.
That will be day.

zugfuhrer
01-24-2004, 04:28 AM
When there will be a good flight simulator on the market I will pass this one to forgotten flightsims.
A flightsimulator that gives one machinegunbullet the same damageprofile as another, when a plane that turn good dont accelerate as good as plane with high wing-load.
When a light plane looses speed faster than a heavy one after a dive, when AI-planes cant shoot through clouds.
That will be day.

buggggggged
01-24-2004, 07:24 AM
sure but that one does not currently exist, this is the best one right now.

Wing_Over
01-24-2004, 07:44 AM
Dream on.....for a while.

Chuck_Older
01-24-2004, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
When there will be a good flight simulator on the market I will pass this one to forgotten flightsims.
A flightsimulator that gives one machinegunbullet the same damageprofile as another, when a plane that turn good dont accelerate as good as plane with high wing-load.
When a light plane looses speed faster than a heavy one after a dive, when AI-planes cant shoot through clouds.
That will be day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...but what's your point? Are you saying that you dislike Fogotten Battles and as soon as you can, you are going to put this sim in the category of "bad computer games"? Don't wait, do it right this very second. Nobody has a gun to your head, making you play FB. Pour gasoline on your CD right now and burn it, nobody's going to stop you. I mean, this is a complaint? Stop playing the game. It will give you time to learn how to produce a better simulation. I can't wait to hear about it, keep us posted http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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zugfuhrer
01-24-2004, 08:51 AM
My dear chuckolder.
You seems to like easy sollutions but life isnt that simple if you give it more than a brief thought.
I am most pleased that you will give me time, how shall you deliver it?

Fair play has always been my honour of conduct. I hate to do things when my antagonist have far better odds than me.
Would you like to play the FB if I hade a Mig29 with air to air missiles or if I my plane didnt took hits?
I am overstating this just to be clear.
Some other flightsims where whorse, when one sides missiles got far better prestanda and so on.
I am only trying to affect the programmers of this game to give all the planes its correct haracteristics.
For example; the bomberwings where about to stop their missions when the Me 262 appeared and inflicted heave losses. That is not the outcome of this game if you attack 10 flying fortresses with some 262:s.
I am sorry to have upset you, I am only trying to be constructive, not destructive like burning cd:s

Old_Canuck
01-24-2004, 09:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
My dear chuckolder.
You seems to like easy sollutions but life isnt that simple <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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I LIKE Chuck_Older's solution. We should put it to the test. Come on guys, let's all take our CFS3 CDs off the shelf and fly to this place.

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reddevil49
01-24-2004, 09:46 AM
zugfuhrer

I don't totaly agree with what you posted but do on some of your points. Sure the AI needs work we all know that,and as to fm and dm I honestly can say I do not know what is correct and what is not. I play this game for fun and enjoyment,and I'm sure I am not alone in this. But to condem a game, for imo is minor faults is a little over the top. But you have a right to voice your oppinion and I respect that I just don't agree.

Chuck_Older
01-24-2004, 09:48 AM
Thanks, OC http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

zugfuhrer-
I realise that language differences may make the finer points of our arguments difficult to understand. However, nobody is forcing you to play Il*2 Forgotten Battles. If you don't like it, stop playing, but don't look to me for support when you post a message that is all negative and offers no solution. Whether or not I like a simple solution isn't the point. The point is: if you don't like FB don't play. If you think it's not good enough, work to improve it. If you can make a better flight sim, do it.
I am not upset by words on a PC screen. I am just still looking for a point to your first post and I can see none at all, it's just a complaint. If you can recall flight sims like Aces of the Pacific, maybe you can remember when PC power of the time wasn't enough to even come close to FB. Maybe you can't. But if FB isn't something you like, stop playing it. I can't see the problem. I didn't like Rowan's Battle of Britain, so I stopped playing it. I had such high hopes for MS CFS3 that it was almost criminal when it came out. I stopped playing it. What's the problem? i didn't like it, I stopped. I suggest that if FB is so horribly awful in your opinion, that you stop having anything to do with it. I'm not sure Oleg will mind. I won't. It's nothing personal, i just don't think it's my job to make you like FB. You stated your feelings, which were: I don't like it. OK, I say: stop playing.

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SeaFireLIV
01-24-2004, 09:58 AM
Yes, Zugfuhrer`s a dangerous one I`ve noticed. He`s been prowling around the forums subtley trying to create quiet dissatisfaction among everyone. Most his complaints have been aired before many times and a lot fixed. The AI seeing at night or through clouds is a tough one to fix it`s been said.

Oleg`s made many changes due to polite requests. And he does always listen.

He should be thankful that such a great sim exists! There will be better- maybe in a year`s time. But I bet Zugfuhrer (under a new name) will find more to complain about!

Watch this guy, he`s a troller. You have a hidden agenda, m8, I`ve seen your previous posts.

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Old_Canuck
01-24-2004, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Yes, Zugfuhrer`s a dangerous one I`ve noticed. He`s been prowling around the forums subtley trying to create quiet dissatisfaction among everyone. Most his complaints have been aired before many times and a lot fixed. The AI seeing at night or through clouds is a tough one to fix it`s been said.

Oleg`s made many changes due to polite requests. And he does always listen.

He should be thankful that such a great sim exists! There will be better- maybe in a year`s time. But I bet Zugfuhrer (under a new name) will find more to complain about!

Watch this guy, he`s a troller. You have a hidden agenda, m8, I`ve seen your previous posts.

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Good call SeaFireIV http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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AirBot
01-24-2004, 10:16 AM
Incidentally, about the whole 262 0wn3z Flying Fortresses thing:
I've been playing a QMB today flying the 262-A1 against a mass of B-17s. It was amazing how effective that 262 was - I was able to shoot down around 5 bombers on every flight, providing I didn't do something stupid.
I can assure you that downing 5 Flying Fortresses in one sortie back in the day would've put you in the history books. Maybe you should reconsider your tactics?

LEXX_Luthor
01-24-2004, 10:16 AM
Forgotten Noob:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>when AI-planes cant shoot through clouds.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe the zugfurer...can't spell it...learned this idea from me? What have I done?

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LEXX_Luthor
01-24-2004, 10:22 AM
I too can down 4 B~17s in a single (slow speed) pass, as can the AI...sometimes. Sometimes they snuggle right up behind the B~17s and BAM no more 262.

This can be a constructive thread.

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Chuck_Older
01-24-2004, 10:25 AM
But could you have shot down 5 B-17s out of 100 in a bomber stream? I know FB isn't 100% accurate due to technology limitations and it might be pointless to say, but FB can create some situations where a plane like the Me 262 will shoot down 5 B-17s out of 20. Not because something's wrong, but because the 262 just might be good enough to knock 5 out of 20 down. But if you could fly against 100 B-17s and knock 5 down, that might be a better yardstick to determine if the 262 is too good.

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LEXX_Luthor
01-24-2004, 10:38 AM
Good Point. But with Athalon 1700+, 100 B~17s is impossible for me.

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Lucius_Esox
01-24-2004, 11:02 AM
Yes a Troll!!
Who said that all bullets should have the same effect in reality? Not possible in real life why should it be in the game! Different acceleration vis a vis wing loadings etc? So many parameters to be included, you have not thought through your observations correctly. For instance, acceleration, initial and sustained. Its not all about weight m8y although part of it is. As in all moving objects unless you put power into that equation it's meaningless. Give me big enough engine (thrust/bhp) and I could make make my pushbike out accelerate an F16 in a dive, although not with me on it I might add,,,,, Yes a troll.

DONB3397
01-24-2004, 11:52 AM
It seems to me that many of these complaint-threads occur when someone has had his a$$ handed to him by an aggressive AI gunner or online pilot.

"..the FM is (choice: undermodeled for my plane; or overmodeled on the other plane.)."

"...my weapons are under-powered."

"...the program is biased against (choice: Americans; Germans; Russians; Japanese)."

Nonsense. It's a $30 (U.S.) program that has better graphics than we thought possible before its release, and all the interactivity and flexibility current PC's allow. Add the ability to create your own a/c paint schemes and missions, and it allows for new experiences every day.

So the AI's aren't great, because they don't learn from the things we're doing. So go on line. Those pilots learn pretty well.

I started in flight sims at the beginning, when planes were stick drawings and mountains were flat, vertical, one-colored structures. For the PC's we were using, they were pretty impressive. Today, we have this extraordinary piece of software that makes fairly efficient use of current pc technology. Pretty impressive.

Like everyone else, I can hardly wait til the next add-on and patch. But, even when the next generation comes along, I doubt many of us will consider this watershed program a "forgotten flightsim."

To zugfuhrer -- good luck on your next mission. Maybe you won't get creamed this time.

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SeaFireLIV
01-24-2004, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:

I started in flight sims at the beginning, when planes were stick drawings and mountains were flat, vertical, one-colored structures. For the PC's we were using, they were pretty impressive. Today, we have this extraordinary piece of software that makes fairly efficient use of current pc technology. Pretty impressive.

To zugfuhrer -- good luck on your next mission. Maybe you won't get creamed this time.
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Exactly me too! Perhaps this is why I get a little bothered by these uninformed childish complaints.

If some of the people here could have seen those VERY FIRST flight sims and be forced to only play them, they would probably jump out the window.
I sometimes try to explain the difference of graphics, etc to my 11 year daughter compared to what we had (and loved), but seeing how she doesn`t comprehend, I can see how some complainer`s are too young to understand also.

But some intelligence must be shown in these complaints. We ARE VERY LUCKY!

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TaZ_Attack
01-24-2004, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Yes, Zugfuhrer`s a dangerous one I`ve noticed. He`s been prowling around the forums subtley trying to create quiet dissatisfaction among everyone. Most his complaints have been aired before many times and a lot fixed. The AI seeing at night or through clouds is a tough one to fix it`s been said.

Oleg`s made many changes due to polite requests. And he does always listen.

He should be thankful that such a great sim exists! There will be better- maybe in a year`s time. But I bet Zugfuhrer (under a new name) will find more to complain about!

Watch this guy, he`s a troller. You have a hidden agenda, m8, I`ve seen your previous posts.

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good call SeaFireIV http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
01-24-2004, 12:29 PM
Yeah, my first (and only other) flight sim was Flanker 1.0 and it totally blew me away. The AI was tougher than in FB even guns only and in modern jets you can really see that TnB and BnZ are the same thing... energy fighting.

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