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SeaFireLIV
02-03-2004, 10:17 PM
Well had to fly the BF109G2 for the first time since patch yesterday online. Usually I`ll fly Russian planes. The I16, Laggs, LA5fns, Hurri, P51 etc...

Server was our own squad`s enemy icons and maps on, rest off. It was a warm up fly.

Anyway, I was flying about trying to B & Z then got myself into a turn fight with a lagg. Well I was in for one heck of a surprise! That G2 turns incredibly well! I kept turning and turning with only minor warnings of a stall. I have had more difficulty with the LA5fn stalling on me in such turns.

To be honest it was getting more enjoyable than flying the LA5fn. I shot 2 aircraft down in my first flight!

I`ll still always fly my Sov planes, but is this historical with the G2? I`m certain it is not. It goes against everything I thought I knew and read about flying Jerry planes? Aren`t they suppose to take skill?


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SeaFireLIV
02-03-2004, 10:17 PM
Well had to fly the BF109G2 for the first time since patch yesterday online. Usually I`ll fly Russian planes. The I16, Laggs, LA5fns, Hurri, P51 etc...

Server was our own squad`s enemy icons and maps on, rest off. It was a warm up fly.

Anyway, I was flying about trying to B & Z then got myself into a turn fight with a lagg. Well I was in for one heck of a surprise! That G2 turns incredibly well! I kept turning and turning with only minor warnings of a stall. I have had more difficulty with the LA5fn stalling on me in such turns.

To be honest it was getting more enjoyable than flying the LA5fn. I shot 2 aircraft down in my first flight!

I`ll still always fly my Sov planes, but is this historical with the G2? I`m certain it is not. It goes against everything I thought I knew and read about flying Jerry planes? Aren`t they suppose to take skill?


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ElfunkoI
02-03-2004, 10:38 PM
LOL. Go ahead and just turn turn turn in your G2. I'm sure you'll have a long prosperiouse online career.

After you get over the initial impressions, which by the way are very shallow observations, you might learn to fly it as an E fighter and then do even better. Then you will realize the power of the G2. You've but scratched the surface...

WWMaxGunz
02-03-2004, 10:47 PM
What altitude?

G2 should outturn a LaGG3 shouldn't it? At least a plain 1941 LaGG which is heavy and less power than 1943 LaGG3. How does it turn against a Yak?

It also depends on the other pilot, his PC and his connection. Who gets the better framerate and lower online lag will have an edge in control. Playing online is more than just planes and pilots.


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Korolov
02-03-2004, 10:47 PM
If you think the G-2 is good, wait'll you try the G-6.

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reload2000
02-03-2004, 10:59 PM
The G2 and G6's are great all around aircraft if you can fly them correctly. You must of been doing things right. Good job!

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WUAF_Badsight
02-03-2004, 11:01 PM
maybe because of VEF ? but the F4 should out perform the G2 at turn fighting

as it is the F4 guns were made stronger but the G2 is the better dogfighter all round

really the F4 should be even more deadly

Jetbuff
02-03-2004, 11:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
maybe because of VEF ? but the F4 should out perform the G2 at turn fighting

as it is the F4 guns were made stronger but the G2 is the better dogfighter all round

really the F4 should be even more deadly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My sentiments exactly! It seems the G-2 and F-4 have traded places in terms of turn-performance.

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GoodKn1ght
02-03-2004, 11:55 PM
stick with the la, turns better, is faster, better ammo, and takes five times more hits.

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BfHeFwMe
02-04-2004, 12:00 AM
Wrong, a G-6 will turn inside any La, all you do is lower throttle and drop to hold 210 to 240 on the speeds. No La can hold that and stay inside.

GoodKn1ght
02-04-2004, 12:04 AM
no ur wrong, that only works against rookies. if the la pilot does the same thing (drops throttle, flaps, etc) the la wins. la holds energy better and the bf stalls out.
nice try.

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BfHeFwMe
02-04-2004, 12:18 AM
G-6 will hold those speeds indefinite and not overheat. Go ahead and drop flaps. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LeadSpitter_
02-04-2004, 12:52 AM
the g2 gets the pink trainingwheels award, along with the ki84. Seems this game gets easier every patch. I noticed the addon pack says ages 7+ so maybe olegs going for the younger audience instead of us old fart complainers

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biggs222
02-04-2004, 12:52 AM
the Spitfire mkV will turn inside both of you(Bf109G2 and La-whatever) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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SeaFireLIV
02-04-2004, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElfunkoI:
LOL. Go ahead and just turn turn turn in your G2. I'm sure you'll have a long prosperiouse online career.

After you get over the initial impressions, which by the way are very shallow observations, you might learn to fly it as an E fighter and then do even better. Then you will realize the power of the G2. You've but scratched the surface...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My observations are indeed first impressions. Noob impressions if you like. But what noob impressions!

Anyway we were doing a lot of low flying after I`d given up B&Zing in that first flight. There were all types up to 1942. P-40s, LA5s, Laggs, etc.

After my first success`, the guys were onto me and turning in flight did not help so much, but I stuck with the G2 the entire flight to keep testing and well...

IMHO it`s the Jerry equivalent of LA5fn, but add it`s climb and dive capabilities this plane should be almost unbeatable. It does tend to lose it once it`s hit I find. Oh, and shooting when the enemy plane isn`t in view was took a little getting used to.

I dunno what Oleg did, but the G2 really felt like a new-user`s plane. It was that easy to fly. A luft noob plane? Heaven forbid! Of course. These dramatic changes really are making me question everything.

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F19_Ob
02-04-2004, 06:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well had to fly the BF109G2 for the first time since patch yesterday online. Usually I`ll fly Russian planes. The I16, Laggs, LA5fns, Hurri, P51 etc...

Server was our own squad`s enemy icons and maps on, rest off. It was a warm up fly.

Anyway, I was flying about trying to B & Z then got myself into a turn fight with a lagg. Well I was in for one heck of a surprise! That G2 turns incredibly well! I kept turning and turning with only minor warnings of a stall. I have had more difficulty with the LA5fn stalling on me in such turns.

To be honest it was getting more enjoyable than flying the LA5fn. I shot 2 aircraft down in my first flight!

I`ll still always fly my Sov planes, but is this historical with the G2? I`m certain it is not. It goes against everything I thought I knew and read about flying Jerry planes? Aren`t they suppose to take skill?


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I've flown 109's alot on GreaterGreen and I have surely had a few easy kills in the g2 but most of the time I can only do it with some effort and I have seen LaGG3's very well flown and been unable to down them.



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Fehler
02-04-2004, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElfunkoI:
LOL. Go ahead and just turn turn turn in your G2. I'm sure you'll have a long prosperiouse online career.

After you get over the initial impressions, which by the way are very shallow observations, you might learn to fly it as an E fighter and then do even better. Then you will realize the power of the G2. You've but scratched the surface...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My observations are indeed first impressions. Noob impressions if you like. But what noob impressions!

Anyway we were doing a lot of low flying after I`d given up B&Zing in that first flight. There were all types up to 1942. P-40s, LA5s, Laggs, etc.

After my first success`, the guys were onto me and turning in flight did not help so much, but I stuck with the G2 the entire flight to keep testing and well...

IMHO it`s the Jerry equivalent of LA5fn, but add it`s climb and dive capabilities this plane should be almost unbeatable. It does tend to lose it once it`s hit I find. Oh, and shooting when the enemy plane isn`t in view was took a little getting used to.

I dunno what Oleg did, but the G2 really felt like a new-user`s plane. It was that easy to fly. A luft noob plane? Heaven forbid! Of course. These dramatic changes really are making me question everything.

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It is the "Best of all" luft planes. It has good roll, good turn, doesnt stall easily, doesnt buck when you shoot, climbs good, and has good high speed control.

Is it accurate? Who knows. It's not a super noob La-7 for sure, but it rates up pretty close in my book.

It does have it's achillies heel however.. the Paper Benz engine. Both the Benz and the RR Merlin were obviously made in the same Hammermill paper factory.. LOL

It's pretty hard to get killed in one unless you get overconfident and get her into situations you shouldnt. But then again, it's a pretty forgiving plane in those situations so might as well have fun, eh?

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P.S. I think the F-2 and F-4 should out turn it. Although the G-2 should be the last of the "Dogfighting" 109's (Unless you choose a 151/20 in the nose of the G-6's)

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antifreeze
02-04-2004, 06:56 AM
Your experience echos mine.
I've been playing il2 for a couple of hours a week since it first came out.
I have never fought in OKL aeroplanes before, although I've flown around a handful of times 'looking at the scenery'.

Last week I was too tired to fly seriously so I went into a 'full real' dogfight server and chose bf109s the whole time, just out of curiosity.

I was really suprised how easy it was to get some kills (a couple of bursts and they went down- usually I am on the receiving end of those bursts, and suprised how easy BnZing was. Equally, I was surprised that I could get the targets into my sights in a 1000-2000m turn fight too (although I have to say that shaking someone on my six was just as hard). Also I found it easier to keep altitude during the turn fights in contrast to constantly fighting the shallow downward spiral that VVS planes seem to have because of loss of E.

I'm not claiming that OKL have an easier time than VVS, but I certainly won't credit the whines about 'Uber VVS planes' in the future (especially the La's). I think the problem is that whiners paint everything in black and white.
Eg. 'this plane should outrun that plane' = 'I should be able to escape the guy on my six'.
Eg. 'this plane should climb like a horse' = 'I should be able be able to accelerate away from that plane in a climb'.

But 15 km/h difference won't stop you being shot down if I'm close enough. And your extra climbrate will only take you about 20m higher in the same short climb, so that isn't going to necessarily save you either.
I used to believe the luftwhiners, but not so much after last week's dogfight.

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Snoop_Baron
02-04-2004, 10:03 AM
I host a La5 vs G2 and La5FN vs G6 mission on my server and the G2 and G6 are both great planes. The G2 definetly has the edge on the La5 and the G6 and La5FN are pretty even.

There is some guy in this forum that makes the claim that the Axis planes are 10x harder to fly than that of the Allies. It is totaly false. I find both sides planes can be challenging to fly the better the oponent the more the challenge http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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SeaFireLIV
02-04-2004, 10:16 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Snoop_Baron:
I host a La5 vs G2 and La5FN vs G6 mission on my server and the G2 and G6 are both great planes. The G2 definetly has the edge on the La5 and the G6 and La5FN are pretty even.

There is some guy in this forum that makes the claim that the Axis planes are 10x harder to fly than that of the Allies. It is totaly false. I find both sides planes can be challenging to fly the better the oponent the more the challenge http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

s!

Yes. Because of the constant LW whines and people saying things like VVS: Noob planes , LW: Skill planes, always got the impression that LW planes where hard to fly.

In fact pre- 1.22 (maybe 1.21) they were very hard to fly, you really needed discipline.

Anyway, this is no more the case- at least for the G2. I think with 1.22 some Axis planes are losing their `Elite` status.

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XyZspineZyX
02-04-2004, 10:18 AM
The G2 is a noob plane (if your definition of noob plane is "forgiving plane that will be easy for a beginner to do well in quickly"). It has all the best 109 features and none of the problems of any earlier or later models.

The F2 and F4 *should* outturn and out-dogfight a G2, but the G2 doesn't have the "Oleg Banana Peel Snapstall" in its flight model, so it's easier to handle around the low part of the flight envelope. It has much better guns than an F2. It has more oomph under the hood than the F2 and F4.

Starting with the G6, the mission of the 109 changed from pure fighter to bomber interceptor, and that's why the later 109s get heavier and less aerodynamic, two things that are anethema to pure dogfighting.

The G2 is, IMHO well done in the sim, and well represents its place in the family line. The Bf109 is not a series that goes from "most primitive" to "best" simply by following the designations from Anton to Kurfirst. But then, neither does the Yak family: A Yak 3 is the finest of that series, not a Yak 9.

Fennec_P
02-04-2004, 10:27 AM
For G2 to outmaneuver la5Fn is not so suprising.

If you compare the two, the power loading is about the same (apprx 0.5hp/kg), but the 109 has much lower wing loading. This gives 109 a little edge in sustained turn.

For earlier Russian planes, no contest. 109G2 is the best proportioned LW plane in power loading and low weight.

Now if only the FW could shed a few hundred kilos...

Stalker58
02-04-2004, 10:46 AM
OK so Hartmann, Rall and others were noobs because ofr flying G2, now what should one fly in axis colours not being considered as noob? Maybe E4 in 42/43 servers?

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

A.K.Davis
02-04-2004, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
The G2 is, IMHO well done in the sim, and well represents its place in the family line. The Bf109 is not a series that goes from "most primitive" to "best" simply by following the designations from Anton to Kurfirst. But then, neither does the Yak family: A Yak 3 is the finest of that series, not a Yak 9.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yak-3 and Yak-9 are not the same series. If I recall, it goes:

Yak-1--&gt;Yak-1b--&gt;Yak-3

and

Yak-7--&gt;Yak-9

As for the G-2, it's turn perfomance is very similar to the F-4, with a slight edge going to the F-4 at the "corner speed." However, G-2 engine likely allows it to maintain this speed better than the F-4.

G-2 outturns:
Yak-1
La-5
La-5F
Lagg-3(first series)
Yak-9 (at low speed)

G-2 does not outturn:
Yak-1B
La-5FN

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ajafoofoo
02-04-2004, 11:08 AM
G2 is just plain wrong. The f4 should turn like the g2 does now.

Oleg got them switched up or something and hasn't fixed it yet.

Snoop_Baron
02-04-2004, 11:38 AM
Good post davis. That matches my observations. The G2 is a fine plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and a pleasure to fly.

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LilHorse
02-04-2004, 11:43 AM
Most of this thread is a bunch of jive. It's an attempt on the part of VVS uber-plane flyers to legitimise their rides by claiming: "Hey, the LW guys have noob planes too. They're not so tough." PFFFTTT!

I have through all incarnations (patches) of FB tried to stick mainly to 109s from the Emils on through to the G-6s (don't care for the later 109s). And by comparison the La-5FN, La-7, Yak-3 are hop-in-zip-around-get-quick-easy-kills planes. Period. There's no getting around it. If those are the rides you dig then fine. I don't have a problem with that. But don't try to delude yourselves into thinking them anything other than that. Especially through a sort of veiled ****ging of the G-2.

SeaFireLIV
02-04-2004, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
Especially through a sort of veiled ****ging of the G-2.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dear oh dear.

I knew they`d be some flak from my comments. Some people simply do not want to believe that an LW plane might be actually as easy ( or even easier) to fly than a VVS plane.

Sorry, m8, but I`m only saying it for the G2 as I experienced it. It is the TRUTH.

(On reflection, it`s possible that I`m so used to flying for so long that the G2 may seem like an easy plane to fly, wheras truly new people to FB`s aircraft may experience a harder situation).

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A.K.Davis
02-04-2004, 12:25 PM
There is no point in comparing aircraft of dissimilar service dates.

I think it can categorically be said that the G-2 is superior in performance to most FB allied aircraft of the same time.

Easier to fly is a different issue. You can have an aircraft that is easier to fly yet have inferior performance to a contemporary aircraft.

La-5F is not "harder to fly" than the G-2. Nor is the P-40M, or the Yak-9, but they generally have inferior performance.

P-39N is harder to fly, but has very good performance.

Yak-1b is just as easy to fly as the G-2 and is more than a match for it below 4000m. For FB online play, where combat rarely occurs above 3000m, the Yak-1b is the answer to the G-2.

G-2's climb rate is superior to all contemporary Allied aircraft in game and that is just a fact. Just like the Yak-3 can outturn all it's contemporaries. That's how it is and you have to find ways to deal with it.

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Chadburn
02-04-2004, 01:53 PM
I've got to give you this much SeaFire...that's some pretty sophisticated trolling.

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LilHorse
02-04-2004, 02:05 PM
A very thoughtful post, A.K. Davis. Very good points.
If I may, I'd like to take the opportunity to clear some things up. The fact that the La's and Yak-3 have a performance edge is something I LIKE. You see, I'll readily admit to being shot down by the likes of those planes. Probably on a ten-to-one ratio of me shot down vs shooting them down, LOL. But it just makes the one kill I do get for every ten of me getting flamed that much more satisfying. Especially if that kill comes as a result of a bounce. I have no interest in "matching skills". I'm perfectly happy being an inferior pilot in every way to my opponant and never giving him a chance to demonstrate the fact. In fact, if I do start to turn with anybody then as far as I'm concerned, I've lost already. Even if I escape from them, heck even if I shoot 'em down, for me I've lost and he's won.

If at any time I felt that those planes (La's and Yak-3) were at a disadvantage, then I'd be more than happy to fly them.

XyZspineZyX
02-04-2004, 02:49 PM
A very game attitude, Lil Horse, and one that many should look into.

One of the biggest problems with this community is its rampant ueberplaneism. Gotta have every advantage, every time out, or whine that the other guy's advantage is "bogus" (even when there are sheafs of historical information that bear it out as fact). Can't fly anything built earlier than 1944. Find the current "most overmodelled" plane and pass oneself off as "a fan of this plane since I was 8". Lobbying for super-armed drawing-board oddities for inclusion in the planeset (thinking they'll make them an ueberace).

There is much more satisfaction with downing a plane superior to yours; that way you know that it wasn't likely that the plane did the work for you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rugame
02-04-2004, 03:17 PM
I agree, nothing more enjoyable then downing a plane that was introduced latter then yours, like a beer after mwing the lawn on a summers day...

I have been flying the G2 since the first demo of il2. I enjoyed it then and I still do now.

blabla0001
02-04-2004, 03:30 PM
"It does have it's achillies heel however.. the Paper Benz engine. Both the Benz and the RR Merlin were obviously made in the same Hammermill paper factory.. LOL"

The engine of the La's isn't much different, one hit and it's dead in the water, even with MG fire.

LW_Fellfrosch
02-04-2004, 03:42 PM
I've been reading these boards for awhile now, and it seems like these VVS vs LW: Who's got the noobish planes debate pops up way too much.

What ever happened to enjoying the game?

Guess even though as a flight sim It's not in the same category as Quake.. but it sure does have the same amount of childish E-peen waving going on when it comes to online play.

BfHeFwMe
02-04-2004, 03:56 PM
G-2 most definitly is an excellent plane for a noob blue pilot to start out in, so what...........

Is there some need of denial, over that? Why?

GoodKn1ght
02-04-2004, 03:59 PM
cap is so delusional hes beyond our help. kinda sad.

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Snoop_Baron
02-04-2004, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Most of this thread is a bunch of jive. It's an attempt on the part of VVS uber-plane flyers to legitimise their rides by claiming: "Hey, the LW guys have noob planes too. They're not so tough." PFFFTTT!

I have through all incarnations (patches) of FB tried to stick mainly to 109s from the Emils on through to the G-6s (don't care for the later 109s). And by comparison the La-5FN, La-7, Yak-3 are hop-in-zip-around-get-quick-easy-kills planes. Period. There's no getting around it. If those are the rides you dig then fine. I don't have a problem with that. But don't try to delude yourselves into thinking them anything other than that. Especially through a sort of veiled ****ging of the G-2.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't speak for everyone but I'm defenitely not ****ging the G2. Saying that it is a good plane which it is is not putting it down.

I like all planes in FB and I'm not the kind of guy that only likes VVS, or only likes LW, or only likes USAF, etc.

I do disagree with this sort of thinking, "And by comparison the La-5FN, La-7, Yak-3 are hop-in-zip-around-get-quick-easy-kills planes.".

I think the statement is irrelevant. And comes off as if "if you get kills in these "easy" planes your not as good a pilot". This might not be your intention, but that is how it comes off. Similar to how it seems you took people complementing the G2 and how it handled as nicely like some of the VVS low wing loading plane as some sort of ****/insult.

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blabla0001
02-04-2004, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
G-2 most definitly is an excellent plane for a noob blue pilot to start out in, so what...........

Is there some need of denial, over that? Why?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because many "Blue" pilots need to believe that it takes 10 times the skill and 100 times the patience to fly a "Blue" plane or else their perfect little worlds will collapse into a flaming chaotic hell pit with mind images of being flogged for eterity by a LA7.

Or something simular.....

blabla0001
02-04-2004, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoodKn1ght:
cap is so delusional hes beyond our help. kinda sad.

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
02-04-2004, 04:34 PM
man o man do i feel some LW hate here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

its true most LW planes need more skill
IE FW190 109-G6 but that doesnt matters to me
and about the G2 yea its good and all
but its only the G2 that is a pure turner
what else do we got ? F4?
and that will be all

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317

Because many "Blue" pilots need to believe that it takes 10 times the skill and 100 times the patience to fly a "Blue" plane or else their perfect little worlds will collapse into a flaming chaotic hell pit with mind images of being flogged for eterity by a LA7.

Or something simular.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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blabla0001
02-04-2004, 04:37 PM
Nobody likes sarcasm anymore over here or what?

XyZspineZyX
02-04-2004, 05:37 PM
Intelligently done sarcasm, yes...

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Recon_609IAP
02-04-2004, 05:38 PM
See, it all depends on what patch you are flying in - one patch it is great, next it is bad - then luftwhining starts again, so it is good, then VVSwhining starts, and it is bad....on and on and on.

You are just catching it in a current peak.

Think of the US stock market - the G2 just came out of a low and is now on a high http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
02-04-2004, 05:41 PM
Now, now, Recon,

The G2 was ALWAYS good. Others have definitely fluctuated with the dev team's *cough* modeling mood *cough*, but the G2 has always been the cream of the series; just as it and the G4 were in the real event.

Fehler
02-04-2004, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
"It does have it's achillies heel however.. the Paper Benz engine. Both the Benz and the RR Merlin were obviously made in the same Hammermill paper factory.. LOL"

The engine of the La's isn't much different, one hit and it's dead in the water, even with MG fire.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you are right. If you are able to get a hit on it, it will sieze up as well. I think all the engines will. It is obvious that Oleg has a distaste for inline engines however. It may be historical. But a lot of things in damage modeling are upto the interpretation of the designer, no doubt about that.

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Fehler
02-04-2004, 06:00 PM
On a completely different note. I flew the A6M5a today for quite a long time.

I dont like turning planes, but this little thing was fun as heck to fly. It lights up as well as a zippo too, just like I imagined it should. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I was a zippo a few times.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It sure would be fun to have a DF server with 14 v 14 A6M5 vs. P-40! I dont know which I would fly!!! I would fly the P40 like a B&Z against the A6M5, when I would fly it like a T&B against almost everything else.

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blabla0001
02-04-2004, 06:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Intelligently done sarcasm, yes...

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Your just way to serious, you have no time for fun and laughs it seems.

I got a colleague just like you, lucky for the rest of us they moved him into a corner where he hardly meets anyone else because he truly is the fun killer to the max and nobody want's him around when where joking around.

A real party pooper, even when he isn't even trying.

GR142-Pipper
02-04-2004, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
If at any time I felt that those planes (La's and Yak-3) were at a disadvantage, then I'd be more than happy to fly them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Disadvantage is a big word. Each aircraft (and sim pilot!) has plusses and minusses. There are no exceptions. What's often overlooked, however, is that each engagement presents an advantaged or disadvantaged START. With the exception of a co-altitude, head-on start, one side or the other will at least BEGIN the engagement from a position of advantage. Sometimes that advantage will be sufficient to overcome the characteriss of a superior opponent (both plane and pilot)...sometimes not. Unless I've misunderstood you, what I hear you saying is that you like to begin your engagements from an "advantaged" position. (Pssst...we all feel that way!) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
02-04-2004, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Now, now, Recon,

The G2 was ALWAYS good. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT UTTER RUBBISH

how long haveyou had FB Stigler as you just started posting here not so long ago ??

the F4 was way better than the G2 AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN . . . . . untill patch v1.11

you see in the VEF they were about to get the F4

IMHO i believe that oleg likes & watches how the VEF missions are panning out

Franzen
02-05-2004, 10:03 AM
I religiously flew the 109's when I first started online. The best aces in our group were all flying the La's and making the kills. I decided to try the La and low and behold, I was getting lots of kills. So I just assumed that the La's were better planes. As time went on I flew both planes equally. As my skill improved I noticed that the 109 was either a better plane or it better suited my style. Lastnight I joined a dogfight over my base. No sooner had I retracted the landing gear on my G2, I had to fight. Within 5 minutes I dogfaught and killed 4 La's at low alt. 3 of them were aces. My opinion, I still don't know which is the better plane but with experience and skill the 109 seems to have more to offer. Maybe the La is a noob plane but it's definitely a good noob plane. Different characteristics require different skills.

I/JG/54 Fritz

Osirisx9
02-05-2004, 10:41 AM
I think the G2 is a little stronger than it should be...But heck at least it is not a freak plane like the La-7.

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XyZspineZyX
02-05-2004, 10:47 AM
Badsight, I've been around FB before it WAS FB. I had IL-2 since the first downloadable demo, and was on the beta test team.

I know from a G2. Trust me.

The F2/F4 is more nimble than a G2, yes, but then it has the "Oleg Banana Peel Snapstall" which takes away a lot of that advantage in the sim. You use those extra degrees of turn in the F, and you'll find yourself flung on your back and in an unrecoverable flat spin. So, what good is it? Better to use the G2's marginally worse turn with little fear of stalling, and little chance of it turning into an unrecoverable spin if you DO stall it.

The F4 *should* be the best pure dogfighter in the Bf109 series. But in FB it's not, for the reason I explained above.

Skalgrim
02-06-2004, 02:04 PM
depent from altitude,

sealevel has g2 only wingloading advantage

la-5fn can that balance with better powerloading, because la-5fn has 1850ps sealevel and g2 1475ps



at 2000m has g2 1550ps and la-5fn has too 1550ps,


but g2 had less weigh, therefore has g2 better powerlading at 2000m, so had she advantage by wingloading and powerloading

both important for turning.

la-5/7 loss 300ps 2000m compare to sealevel and g2 gets 75ps more, that make great difference



db605a 1475ps sealevel and 1550ps 2000m

ASh-82fn sealevel 1850ps, 2000m 1550ps, 3000m 1400ps

k4 with db605dc has 1900ps 3000m



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well had to fly the BF109G2 for the first time since patch yesterday online. Usually I`ll fly Russian planes. The I16, Laggs, LA5fns, Hurri, P51 etc...

Server was our own squad`s enemy icons and maps on, rest off. It was a warm up fly.

Anyway, I was flying about trying to B & Z then got myself into a turn fight with a lagg. Well I was in for one heck of a surprise! That G2 turns incredibly well! I kept turning and turning with only minor warnings of a stall. I have had more difficulty with the LA5fn stalling on me in such turns.

To be honest it was getting more enjoyable than flying the LA5fn. I shot 2 aircraft down in my first flight!

I`ll still always fly my Sov planes, but is this historical with the G2? I`m certain it is not. It goes against everything I thought I knew and read about flying Jerry planes? Aren`t they suppose to take skill?


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The G2 turned out to be an LA5 in disguise!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[This message was edited by Skalgrim on Fri February 06 2004 at 01:27 PM.]