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HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 12:40 AM
Hello all!

I'm just doing a little research and I would like to address the following question to those who don't participate in any online war (such as VWF, VEF, Bellum, Forgoten Skies and etc.).

Why don't you participate in those? And what would you like to see in those in order to participate?

Many thanks to all of you!

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 12:40 AM
Hello all!

I'm just doing a little research and I would like to address the following question to those who don't participate in any online war (such as VWF, VEF, Bellum, Forgoten Skies and etc.).

Why don't you participate in those? And what would you like to see in those in order to participate?

Many thanks to all of you!

LuftLuver
07-27-2004, 12:45 AM
Quite honestly, laziness.

If I understand correctly, these are run on certain schedules and I have to show up at a certain time.

After a day at work at an Advertising Agency filled with deadlines and timetables, the last thing I want to do is be on a schedule for my fun time.

After work I want to sit down at the PC on my timetable and click Join Server when I want. Now if I am wrong about this, then Praise the Lord a new world may be opening up to me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 01:09 AM
Well, I guess a new world has opened for you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As far as VWF is concerned, you enter in the HL, you check the VWF Mission slots and you see if there is a mission ready to launch. If yes, then you are ready to fly!

And there are many missions flown daily. For example, yesterday July 26th there were 50 missions flown ( http://western.virtual-front.no/index.php?do=mission_today&dayofmissions=2004-07-26 ).

You can participate as either a member of another squadron or make your own one-man squad and create relationship with the rest of community so you can fly on comms with them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I'd suggest you take a look in the main site ( http://western.virtual-front.no/ )and for any further questions you are welcome at VWF Forum too ( http://forum.virtual-front.no/ ).

S! and we'll be glad to see you there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crazyivan1970
07-27-2004, 01:11 AM
No time for that mate, sorry. I have war of my own LOL

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CHDT
07-27-2004, 01:11 AM
I'm behind a firewall and I can't use TeamSpeak. So no squadron and no online wars for me.

ThanasisK
07-27-2004, 01:12 AM
Cannot use comms (speech impairment) therefore cannot join a squadron

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 01:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CHDT:
I'm behind a firewall and I can't use TeamSpeak. So no squadron and no online wars for me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strange...Most of the people I know do use a firewall but still there is no problem in using TS too. You should just allow it to be used, right?

I think that this is of the problems that can be solved quite easily. Maybe if you can ask some help in the help forum of IL2 ( http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=49310655 ) or drop a question at VWF General Forum ( http://forum.virtual-front.no/index.php ), you could find a solution http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

S! and we'll be glad to see you there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FA_Maddog
07-27-2004, 01:17 AM
One thing I don't like about the online wars is the wait time. Sometimes it takes up to thirty minutes or more to get enough people in a mission.

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 01:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thanasisk:
Cannot use comms (speech impairment) therefore cannot join a squadron<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are Greek rigt? My name is Thanos too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Well, maybe you should try without being on comms. A lot of people are doing this and doing quite fine. You won't get the 100% of the fun but sure, you'll find a new way to enjoy the game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

S! and looking forward to seeing you there!

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 01:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FA_Maddog:
One thing I don't like about the online wars is the wait time. Sometimes it takes up to thirty minutes or more to get enough people in a mission.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure this happens some times...
That's one of the cons, but still there are many pros that will make this time worthy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

S!

THBF109
07-27-2004, 02:52 AM
Hi, sounds interesting. Is there a users manual or how-to for the online wars, for example the VWF? I read the rulebook on the website but wish to know more before joining the action. AND I do have many questions of things unclear at present time.

bazzaah2
07-27-2004, 03:07 AM
could be fun - FI's in at least one war.

When I'm back up and running online, will check it out, though like to be able to respawn if (when!) I get shot down. That's probably the downer for me, hence DF servers.

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HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 03:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THBF109:
Hi, sounds interesting. Is there a users manual or how-to for the online wars, for example the VWF? I read the rulebook on the website but wish to know more before joining the action. AND I do have many questions of things unclear at present time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A brand new more comprehensive VWF manual is on work and should be published quite soon (hopefully http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).

But evene now, you can register and start flying with one side. You just follow the mission briefing that you read when mission launches and this should be fine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Furthermore, we'll always be there (either at HL or VWF Forum) to reply any specific question of yours http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

S! and looking forward to seeing you there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pvt_Roger
07-27-2004, 03:25 AM
Padlock On.

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 03:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bazzaah2:
could be fun - FI's in at least one war.

When I'm back up and running online, will check it out, though like to be able to respawn if (when!) I get shot down. That's probably the downer for me, hence DF servers.

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Crashing online as :FI:SpinyNorman<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

:FI:'s already participate in VWF and are of the best and kindest guys around!

Would be nice to see you there too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

S!

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 03:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pvt_Roger:
Padlock On.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Padlock on has stopped being used since long time in most online wars. All of us were used to it as you are, but we find a new magic in the game as soon as we learned how to fight without it.

Now, most of us don't even have it programmed on their joystick profiles!

S! and give it a try mate. There's nothing to lose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pvt_Roger
07-27-2004, 03:32 AM
All due respect, but don't hand me that tired old "we all got use to flying without it" tripe.

You asked a couple of questions in your first post of this thread...

"Why don't you participate in those? And what would you like to see in those in order to participate?"

I answered, and now you critize my answer?

I am not here lobbying that your online war, or any online war change it's settings to accomodate me, but I certainly won't change what settings I fly with to accomodate them.

PVT.Roger

bazzaah2
07-27-2004, 03:34 AM
it's a popular thing with the boys, that's for sure.

When I get my broadband sorted out, will join up and give it a go! Sounds fun.

And yes the :FI: are a fine bunch of fellas. Surprised they let me join http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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THBF109
07-27-2004, 03:37 AM
Couple of details:
-Manual engine management?
-All icons and external views off?
-What happens to pilot who dies or is captured? Score-&gt;0 or what?
-What mic or headset style preferred for Teamspeak?

Does the VEF have similar site than VWF?

-FI-Sniper
07-27-2004, 03:40 AM
Been away for a while, and need a little time to sharpen my skills again...but I might just pop-in with :FI:SpinyNorman and the rest of the :FI: bunch in a not so distant future http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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07-27-2004, 03:41 AM
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Aces_High_2
07-27-2004, 03:42 AM
Hi,

All online wars that I've seen have so-called full-real settings on. I can't abide these settings so don't fly online wars. Some members of my squad do but I like icons on, external views on, map path on, no CEM and padlock on and AFAIK there aren't any online wars that offer these options. I also prefer to fly fun Coops with my squadmates rather that get involved in all this uber-real stuff.

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HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 03:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pvt_Roger:
...I answered, and now you critize my answer?...

PVT.Roger<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooops, I'm sorry if I sounded this way. I never meant it. It was more like a friendly comment what I (unsuccessfully) was trying to do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S! and sorry again

AWL_Spinner
07-27-2004, 03:49 AM
Best experiences I've ever had in Forgotten Battles have been squad flying in the old VOW. By a mile.

Still to find a settled online war home from the current crop.

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HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 03:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THBF109:
Couple of details:
-Manual engine management?
-All icons and external views off?
-What happens to pilot who dies or is captured? Score-&gt;0 or what?
-What mic or headset style preferred for Teamspeak?

Does the VEF have similar site than VWF?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

VEF's main site is here: http://www.vef2.net/site/main.htm

Most online wars are with Full Real settings+Speedbar ON.

S!

Atomic_Marten
07-27-2004, 03:53 AM
I rarely (most like will never again) participate in dogfight servers. Don't like buzzing around without reason just to shot ppl down... no fun there (of course that is IMHO). I'm not member of any existing flying gang out there. Don't like restrictions... in any way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However I do like coops. I have some goal to achieve there (no matter how insane that sounds http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif).

LeadSpitter_
07-27-2004, 03:54 AM
Laziness is one part, and when playing the online wars my playing style is much different the in the dogfight servers. Warclouds I try to stay alive in longer but sometimes ill just want to do ground attack which with enemy labels on which is suicide in warclouds. IN vfw and vef the game takes so much longer some fights lasting up to 30 minutes or more becuase everyone so concerned about being pk'd and about stats.

I really also dont like having to wait 30+ minutes to get enough people for a game with vef vwf to find out the host is in russia or the farthest point of the world from me. 190 ping to them with cable. Also some hosts are on very slow machines which effect gameplay. I also dont care for online ai they warp extremely bad doing some out of this world manuevers. like a corkscrew straight up but thier prop is point to the ground in the air all warping but you hits count on them. Looks terrible to me and makes me not enjoy it much.

Its so easy to tell an ai froma human player becuase the ai elevators look as if someones got thier controls mapped to the keyboard and keeps tapping them to move

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tonywizzz
07-27-2004, 04:08 AM
This has beem my first experience of on-line war, and full real for that matter, can,t now go back to icons etc, but each to their own.

VWF ROCKS great work HFC_Dolphin.

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Atomic_Marten
07-27-2004, 04:08 AM
About Online AI that's terrible story. Just one example: yesterday in one COOP my mate from squadron was shoot at Bleinheim and got both engines. After that we've jumped by about 10 Spits and they got us all. However, that Bleinheim was just continue to fly without both engines (they were cut out). We couldn't stop to be amazed by that sight --- Blei wasn't go down even after few mins, flying on tree top level and avoiding all obstacles. Hilarious.

Then (because on that point it was obvious that this bomber simply don't want to get down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif) host was disconnect the game and that's it folks. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

GHost_Sqd
07-27-2004, 04:11 AM
Do they play with Icons on?
I find it hard to spot aircrafts sometimes mostly when flying amongst tree.
Dont want to shoot my team mates though mistaken identity. Are there any tips for these issues?
How do you guys manage to spot ground targets.
All these things will spoil my on line experience i think.

THBF109
07-27-2004, 04:44 AM
What I fear most in this full real mode is friend/foe identification. How long does it take to start identifying them naturally? I am having trouble identifying fighters myself from 200-400 meters - especially from directly from their rear.

What about the manual engine management? Easy to learn or does it spoil the fun for the 1st 6 months by taking your focus of the situation around you (ie. getting you killed)?

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 04:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THBF109:
What I fear most in this full real mode is friend/foe identification. How long does it take to start identifying them naturally? I am having trouble identifying fighters myself from 200-400 meters - especially from directly from their rear.

What about the manual engine management? Easy to learn or does it spoil the fun for the 1st 6 months by taking your focus of the situation around you (ie. getting you killed)?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Identification is something to be learned as a top priority. The number one rule for this is: Never shoot if you're not 110% that this is an enemy. It's better not to shoot an enemy than shooting a friend.

Regarding manual engine management, it's not any difficult as long as you're not aiming to be the best immediately http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

S!

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
time,hosting horror stories I've heard, and pings...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hosting horror stories...tell me about it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

This game should be much thankful to Hosts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P.S. We'd be honoured to see you participating sometime in VWF, Hunter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
07-27-2004, 05:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pvt_Roger:
Padlock On.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check out Iron Skies (http://ironskies.net/)

It's padlock on. The war is run by the 249th squadron, and there are a few squads involved in it right now.

They are simulating a Malta/North Africa campaign using the Gulf of Finland and the online desert dogfight map.

Just register on the forum, and pick yer side, then show up for the next dogfight session. They are experiencing a distinct lack of luftwaffe pilots, so if you fly blue, they'd appreciate it, but it doesn't really matter.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-27-2004, 06:10 AM
And noone has yet mentioned the Forgotten Skies Online War (http://www.forgottenskies.com)

It is a "full real with speedbar on" war, which is currently at the Kuban in 1943.

FS uses Paul Lowengrins Dynamic Campaign Generator to run the war, and it works a treat. Teamwork and mission goals are what is emphasised, and voice comms are pretty much essential.

The pilots and squads are among the best in the IL2 community, and are a great bunch. The FS community itself is a really well informed, intelligent and welcoming bunch.

I would say this is the best IL-2 online war available today.

Right now, we are definately in need of few more pilots on the axis side. Because of RL obligations, and other things, a lot of pilots aren't flying so much, and the luftwaffe side is suffering most, so if you fly axis, and wanna try something else, drop by.

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plumps_
07-27-2004, 06:27 AM
Another reason: The need to opt for one side. I don't want to be a 'red' pilot or a 'blue' pilot all the time. I want to be able to fly for all of the armies and choose the aircraft I like.

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THBF109
07-27-2004, 06:51 AM
I prefer to fly FAF and LW planes usually. Decided to try this stuff and bought myself a headset today http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- a link to Teamspeak setup tips to use in these wars? How to get it work and what server to use?
- a good tutorial about the manual prop operation etc?

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by plumps_:
Another reason: The need to opt for one side. I don't want to be a 'red' pilot or a 'blue' pilot all the time. I want to be able to fly for all of the armies and choose the aircraft I like.

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In VWF/VWF/Bellum (for those I know), you can have a different account on both sides and fly as per your wish. Of course, you miht be excluded by some private forums, but still you get all the fun of it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

S!

HFC_Dolphin
07-27-2004, 06:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THBF109:
I prefer to fly FAF and LW planes usually. Decided to try this stuff and bought myself a headset today http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- a link to Teamspeak setup tips to use in these wars? How to get it work and what server to use?
- a good tutorial about the manual prop operation etc?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are many TS servers that are used. Just check with people of your side when in slots http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Re the manual prop operation, I thikn that if you do a search in this forum, you'll find plenty of good threads. If you can't find, then you can start one and be sure that many people will try to help you.

S!

IAFS_Painter
07-27-2004, 06:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
I rarely (most like will never again) participate in dogfight servers. Don't like buzzing around without reason just to shot ppl down... no fun there (of course that is IMHO). I'm not member of any existing flying gang out there. Don't like restrictions... in any way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However I do like coops. I have some goal to achieve there (no matter how insane that sounds http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well - VEF and VWF missions are co-ops.
Probably other wars are too ...

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Aero_Shodanjo
07-27-2004, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HFC_Dolphin:
Hello all!

I'm just doing a little research and I would like to address the following question to those who don't participate in any online war (such as VWF, VEF, Bellum, Forgoten Skies and etc.).

Why don't you participate in those? And what would you like to see in those in order to participate?

Many thanks to all of you!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Simple:

No internet connection on my IL2 loaded computer at home http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Red_Russian13
07-27-2004, 09:12 AM
Time, ping, lag, I don't have comms, and the fact that I'm a terrible pilot and would rather not damage my ego any further by getting decimated in front of all you guys. Not really, mostly just time. (Oh, and I really can't land well without externals.)

Red Russian

Sturm_Williger
07-27-2004, 09:57 AM
CEM and no Icons keep me away. Ok, I'm improving, can now occasionally hit something with cockpit on and I have no problem with all the other difficulty settings, but trim on the keyboard is hard enough without having to manage my mixture/ radiator/prop pitch - esp. as I don't even know what settings are for which situation.

Also, as you said "Identification is something to be learned as a top priority. The number one rule for this is: Never shoot if you're not 110% that this is an enemy. It's better not to shoot an enemy than shooting a friend." - LOL, I'd never shoot anybody !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Until I can see roundels/crosses/stars, I can't really ID planes ( except maybe a P38 ). Maybe it's my graphics card, maybe it's my monitor, but it seems hard to know what I'm looking at, at any kind of range - and getting into range if it's not an enemy generally means you've lost your speed/height etc. Even just friendly only would be fine.

Anyway, that's my reason for not having tried online virtual wars.

NorrisMcWhirter
07-27-2004, 10:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FA_Maddog:
One thing I don't like about the online wars is the wait time. Sometimes it takes up to thirty minutes or more to get enough people in a mission.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

This is one of the main reasons for me. I love flying co-ops and liked the immersion of the online wars but waiting around for 20 minutes only to have the host turn around with a few minutes to go and ask some people to make way for some pals who have just arrived is not fun.

It's only worth it when you know there are going to be a lot of people about (weekends) really.

Cheers,
Norris

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OldMan____
07-27-2004, 10:42 AM
I don't participate because I need to register.. and to do so... need a squadron. Since I am not in a sqaudron..

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

NorrisMcWhirter
07-27-2004, 10:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
I don't participate because I need to register.. and to do so... need a squadron. Since I am not in a sqaudron..

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

You don't need to be in a squadron for VWF. I signed up alright - for both sides.

Cheers,
Norris

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'Yeah, but look on the bright side - at least the 0.50s are fixed!'
Moral: $$$ + whining = anything is possible

csThor
07-27-2004, 11:02 AM
I have flown online for a long time, but my interest has faded to nothing. My main priority when flying a simulation is the creation of a believeable and highly immersive environment. That includes correct planetypes, squadrons, operations etc... But that also includes something you cannot bring into Online Play - historical doctrines and especially the right mix of planes.

All Online Wars end up being some boring kind DF server - you know you'll encounter enemy planes, you know which planes you will encounter, you roughly know where and you know exactly that it will end in a mostly senseless dogfight. The keyword here is predictability. Additionally there is far too much emphasis on fighter vs fighter engagements, but when you look at claim tables of the german fighter units for a given time over the Eastern Front, you'll notice the hordes of Il-2s and bombers claimed.

The next thing is the lack of historical doctrines. When the mission goal is bomber interception it forces the german player into the position where he has to enter a fight whether he wants or not (the historical LW airmen had the freedom of choice). Additionally the VVS is free to use their fighters offensively, trying to lure the LW into combat instead of protecting the bombers. No VVS pilot dared to do so - he'd most probably end up seeking mines with metal sticks or even worse. But you can't force modern players to act like that.

I know that with the current (and most probably near future) technology the creation of a Online War that is to my liking is impossible, so I stick to offline flying.

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Mence
07-27-2004, 11:03 AM
The full difficulty settings are just too restrictive for my personal taste. I like a locked pit and/or no icons, but these old eyes need padlock at the minimum and prefer p-lock and externals. Also as was mentioned, getting bumped by the host after a 20 minute wait, so he can fly with his late buddies was the final straw for me. End of discussion.

Franzen
07-27-2004, 11:15 AM
Many reasons. Just a few would be I know nothing about it, my cpu can't handle it, and I refuse to use TS even in my own squadron. The sound quality is so poor.

Fritz Franzen

Atomic_Marten
07-27-2004, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
Until I can see roundels/crosses/stars, I can't really ID planes ( except maybe a P38 ). Maybe it's my graphics card, maybe it's my monitor, but it seems hard to know what I'm looking at, at any kind of range - and getting into range if it's not an enemy generally means you've lost your speed/height etc. Even just friendly only would be fine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You will have a rare opportunity to see markings on enemy A/C's (if ever).

For example, I was flying in Friedrich F2 in formation of 4 on high alt (~4000m).

Leader signaled that good chance is that boogies were below us. I turned and break and go in a shallow dive with combat flaps and power 0%. I've spot some brown dots 1500m below in loose formation. I dived on 'em and on approx. 700~1000m from them I've notice typical Hurri camouflage (brown-green). I wanted to shoot at one but I was waiting to see English roundels on their wings and then shoot. They did not notice me and they were continue to fly straight in loose formation. I've buzzed by one Hurri at really close range but since I couldn't get a good aim on him I did not fire(elevator wasn't listen to me anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif --- speed was to high, he says http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif). After that they break and went into clouds to hide.

What I learned from that is that you have to wait to get some confirmation (it would be insane to shoot anything that moves all right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). But you have to rely on camo recognition as well as shape of A/C's recognition especially when u have some clue what A/C type your oppo will fly.

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BfHeFwMe
07-27-2004, 03:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
I have flown online for a long time, but my interest has faded to nothing. My main priority when flying a simulation is the creation of a believeable and highly immersive environment. That includes correct planetypes, squadrons, operations etc... But that also includes something you cannot bring into Online Play - historical doctrines and especially the right mix of planes.

All Online Wars end up being some boring kind DF server - you know you'll encounter enemy planes, you know which planes you will encounter, you roughly know where and you know exactly that it will end in a mostly senseless dogfight. The keyword here is _predictability_. Additionally there is far too much emphasis on fighter vs fighter engagements, but when you look at claim tables of the german fighter units for a given time over the Eastern Front, you'll notice the hordes of Il-2s and bombers claimed.

The next thing is the lack of historical doctrines. When the mission goal is bomber interception it forces the german player into the position where he has to enter a fight whether he wants or not (the historical LW airmen had the freedom of choice). Additionally the VVS is free to use their fighters offensively, trying to lure the LW into combat instead of protecting the bombers. No VVS pilot dared to do so - he'd most probably end up seeking mines with metal sticks or even worse. But you can't force modern players to act like that.

I know that with the current (and most probably near future) technology the creation of a Online War that is to my liking is impossible, so I stick to offline flying.

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Fully agree. It isn't possible to achieve with the current sim. You need a live campaign generator in which players can join and exit without starting and stopping then wars, the synched start is a killer. Also bunk having to end every mission mid stride when all the humans are down.

As it is now they're little more than dogfights with a bit of trimming around to look at. I'd rather stick with coops, even if it's only a pair. The teamwork aspect is pretty fun in buddy coops and quite historical, but I've rarely seen it in any online war.

Too many rudder notch fanatics, and to few survivors.

eXtra_Corrosiv
07-27-2004, 04:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pvt_Roger:
All due respect, but don't hand me that tired old "we all got use to flying without it" tripe.

You asked a couple of questions in your first post of this thread...

"Why don't you participate in those? And what would you like to see in those in order to participate?"

I answered, and now you critize my answer?

I am not here lobbying that your online war, or any online war change it's settings to accomodate me, but I certainly won't change what settings I fly with to accomodate them.

PVT.Roger<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I want to fly in online war so badly now. but I will not fly without padlock. In real life I can lock an object with my eyes and track it. Padlock with cockpit on IS realism.

unless people with track IR are turning padlock off to have advantage.

you turn padlock on, you will get ALOT more players. NONE of the other so called "realism" settings matter more than padlock. ROfl, padlock is 50x more realistic than using track ir to look forward out the right window of your cockpit.

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nickdanger3
07-27-2004, 05:12 PM
I'd join but when I get on HL after the wife and kids are in bed Hawaii time (-10:00 GMT), they online war rooms are empty.

Also, I think that the Warclouds icon solution is the best - full switch isn't fun for me.

Adlerangriff
07-27-2004, 05:16 PM
The first time you dive in on somebody in a online war, make the kill, see your team win message on the way home is as good as it gets.

The concern that is in the air when a Red pilot Experten is on the other taxiway is awesome.

ROSS Youss or a PF Welchman in the air hunting you brings more to the game than any offline option of features could ever bring. Ace offline is an ugly sight if total realism is anyones goal. Aces online beat you under the same difficulty settings so there is no excuse except getting beat by the better pilot.

Until the next mission.

When is VOW2 starting up?

(+)Kurt Brandle
II/JG3

Adlerangriff
07-27-2004, 05:20 PM
"you turn padlock on, you will get ALOT more players. NONE of the other so called "realism" settings matter more than padlock. ROfl, padlock is 50x more realistic than using track ir to look forward out the right window of your cockpit."


Padlock would be a decent feature if you could only hit the button once a minute. The way it is now is for those people who are not ready for full realism. 30-40 hits per minute instead of paying attention and flying as a group is what most in online wars are trying to get away from.

Online War + Padlock = old, tired joke

carguy_
07-27-2004, 06:39 PM
I have played online wars since the start.
Some very bad things red pilots perform - swear,shoot harmless and defensless planes[parashootes too],accuse blue pilots of cheating,block ALL chat with their language.Hehehe,recently the situation has been better for reds cuz everytime a mission started two of them either bail out or crash on the airfield.
How many restarts did we have when comparing blue and red side?
That would be 8 restarts because of red to 2 restarts because of blue.

Furthermore LW AI is sh1t,so anyone including red AI can down any of the LW.Recently the situation has turned into an absurd - P51,P47 and above all Spitfires AI shot down human players.Those planes are equal or better than blue planes.We`ve got to know their bad sides but AI doesn`t apply here.AI is in VWF better than human pilots.

Also it has always been like red pilots always get their best planes for the theatre(Spits,La) while from `43 LW ends up with G6,G6Late and FW190A8.

So far I have flown one mission on G10,five missions in G6/AS,two missions on FW190A6.

Do I hope to ever fly a Me163,Me262,Me109K4,He162,G14,IAR,DOra?

No,I don`t.Best LW equipment just lies there and waits for Reichsverteidigung but by a weird coincidince we don`t fly them in 1945.

Answer me this cuz I really don`t know.LW kicked butt in 1943.USAAF encountered great losses in every attack.
Did VWF start from 1943?

VWF/VEF have many flaws.

There is nothing better than those currently though.

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Bearcat99
07-27-2004, 08:46 PM
I am registered for VWF but right now we arent participating. Our squad is not ready yet and we dont like to do things half baked.

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Hoarmurath
07-27-2004, 11:57 PM
Padlock... can't understand why all online war have the same setting...

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-28-2004, 12:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
VWF/VEF have many flaws.

There is nothing better than those currently though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I beg to differ, I have flown in VEF, VWF and VOW, and I feel that Forgotten Skies is far superior to all of these.

FS is a speedbar only war. The community are tight knit and contain some of the best pilots and squads in the IL-2 community.

Check it out here (http://forgottenskies.com)

I'm not saying that VEF and VWF, etc, are not good setups, it's just that FS is the closest to what I look for in an online war.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-28-2004, 12:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
Padlock... can't understand why _all_ online war have the same setting...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not all online wars have the same settings. Check out Iron Skies, which is run by the 249th squad. They have speedbar and padlock on.

http://ironskies.net/

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JG50_Sepp
07-28-2004, 12:54 AM
Well put TOOZ.There are great online wars out there and each one caters to different likes/dislikes of different pilots.each are fun and exciting in thier own way.I fly Forgotten Skies beacause to me it captures being a pilot on the eastern front.The biggest enjoyment being that everything depends on the human element.Briefings/deberiefings,flight plans,strategies,intel etc.. are all done by the actual participants.Aslo that survival plays such a big role in the war as it should which brings about a real sense of immersion.

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tttiger
07-28-2004, 01:09 AM
I tried both VEF and VWF and had the same problem with both: Score ladders.

Sadly, most players are trying to rack up kills rather than trying to accomplish a mission through cooperation and coordination.

Thus, there is nothing realistic about either, IMHO. Both are just organized score-whoring having little to do with the way air battles really are fought.

Finally there is the problem with wait time, which has been mentioned frequently already. Virtual wars don't go until they're full.

In Coops, which I prefer, the host waits a reasonable amount and then goes with whoever joined. There is no need to fill up all the Allied and all the Axis slots. That's what AI are for.

The wait times in virtual wars are aweful. There is only so much of that moronic chatter I can read in the HL Lobby http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There was a virtual war (can't remember the name)that required everyone on the same side to be on voice coms and cooperating with each other. I thought it was excellent!

The best part is that there were numerous targets on each side. Some pilots on each side had to fly against an enemy target while others had to defend friendly targets. And the two sides never knew which targets the other side had chosen. The whole operation was planned out before anyone started an engine. Very cool.

The bad part was that it was played almost exclusively by Yanks in the Eastern time zone. Most of their missions were on week nights and that excluded pilots like me in Hawaii, six time zones away. I believe it involved a dedicated server, so if the guy who owned the server wasn't available (at work or at sleep) there were no missions.

Pity, because I really liked the concept. The few times I was able to fly it, I really enjoyed it.

The primary criteria for me is realistic missions: Stop the tanks, shut down the arty, close the airfield, whatever. That requires ground attack or bomber pilots and fighters for cover. It requires a plan that everyone sticks to. You won't find that in VEF and VWF.

So, I fly off line campaigns during the week and Coops on weekends. Not perfect, but far better than virtual wars.

Dolphin, I think your thread is a bit of a sham. Every time someone criticizes virtual wars (which is what you asked for), you refute them. It's nothing but a recruiting poster for VEF.

If people like virtual wars, go for it! Same with DF! I know what I enjoy. This is more sim than game to me, so campaigns and Coops are my choice. I'm not knocking anyone who thinks differently.

Aloha,

ttt

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[This message was edited by tttiger on Wed July 28 2004 at 12:17 AM.]

HFC_Dolphin
07-28-2004, 02:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
...Dolphin, I think your thread is a bit of a sham. Every time someone criticizes virtual wars (which is what you asked for), you refute them. It's nothing but a recruiting poster for VEF...
[This message was edited by tttiger on Wed July 28 2004 at 12:17 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I respect all your general opinions that you expressed.

Regarding this quote, well I'm sorry, I didn't think of it like this. Maybe you are right, don't know. I only felt like explaining some things from an other side of view, but it seems that I was wrong. Sorry again.

And no I didn't start this as a recruit for VEF/VWF/whatever. Though this wouldn't be illegal, it was definitely not my intention. I really want to know why people don't participate in online wars, while the 99% of my IL2 experience is at online wars!

Just curious, nothing more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

karost
07-28-2004, 03:30 AM
Hi,

I just like to move to play in DF-server much more , no interesting back to play VEF, VWF , why?
1. lack in ip
2. waiting for a long time for regroup people
3. I like history combat like full-switch setup speed-bar is for easy fun. and now we have many old-head's friends to play full-switch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

oh , I have to ask a question too.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
can anyone know about DF-Server with full-switch + one time dead kick ?

S!

Pvt_Roger
07-28-2004, 03:58 AM
Tooz

The Iron Skies site looks to be all but down, i.e. missing images, etc. Plus was there a link for a forum?

tttiger

I thought the same thing regarding your comment to Dolphin. I answered his posted question with a simple reply, only to have him answer chiding me for that response. Dolphin later apologized, but if your asking people to give you their reasons, than accept those reasons without trying to debate them about there merits.

Rant off.

PVT.Roger

OldMan____
07-28-2004, 04:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
I don't participate because I need to register.. and to do so... need a squadron. Since I am not in a sqaudron..

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

You don't need to be in a squadron for VWF. I signed up alright - for both sides.

Cheers,
Norris

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Can anyone explain-me how? Whenever I go to register screen it asks for selecting a squadron (cannot select none)

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

plumps_
07-28-2004, 08:59 AM
Two reasons not to register at VWF:

- It can't be found in the list of dedicated servers and online wars at http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=190106645
- To register for the German side you click on a banner of the 'Nationalsozialistische Fliegerkorps', which was a political organisation of the Nazi party.

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eXtra_Corrosiv
07-28-2004, 09:53 AM
online wars are clearly not meant to promote naziism. I think historical realism is the goal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If a big fat hebrew like me isn't offended, neither should you be http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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IVJG51_Swine
07-31-2004, 09:56 AM
Forgotten Skies rocks!!!!

This is a great war because it is a small community and you know your enemy. It makes it fun, plus it uses the DCG. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Pentallion
07-31-2004, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pvt_Roger:
Padlock On.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is still an online war that uses padlock:

Iron Skies: Malta! at
www.ironskies.net/ (http://www.ironskies.net/)

Ahh, I see the mainpage has developed a glitch on the forum link, showing only the dreaded red x!

Forums:
http://www.ironskies.net/forums/

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[This message was edited by Pentallion on Sat July 31 2004 at 11:25 AM.]

Pentallion
07-31-2004, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mence:
The full difficulty settings are just too restrictive for my personal taste. I like a locked pit and/or no icons, but these old eyes need padlock at the minimum and prefer p-lock and externals. Also as was mentioned, getting bumped by the host after a 20 minute wait, so he can fly with his late buddies was the final straw for me. End of discussion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In Iron Skies we have a first come first served policy and no one gets bumped from a mission. We also have padlock on (though no externals). Our hosts declare their missions a day or more in advance so you can check the calendar for a time that works for you.

www.ironskies.net/ (http://www.ironskies.net/)

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Mence
07-31-2004, 12:41 PM
Thank you for that information. I will check into it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif