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ladlon
03-06-2006, 04:52 PM
Hello again.

I'm an offline player with FB/AEP/PF, wanting randomly created missions (mostly level bombing, but open to others). I'm wondering what add-ons, mission generators, skins, sounds, etc members of this forum would advise overall to acheive this and boost the whole sim overall...

I'm all patched up to 4.4, and have downloaded Lowengrin's mission generator (but haven't installed/tried it). Is that one considered the best (for what I'm after)?

ALSO! I read that if I don't have Battle Over Europe, I'll need to download the RAF and USAF add-ons. Is that the case with FB/AEP/PF merged? If not, what do I need to download (...I couldn't find anything at the link provided).

ALSO ALSO! I've never been able to have music playing for takeoffs, etc... just music on the menu pages. Any ideas what may be wrong there?

Thanks... Over

ladlon
03-06-2006, 04:52 PM
Hello again.

I'm an offline player with FB/AEP/PF, wanting randomly created missions (mostly level bombing, but open to others). I'm wondering what add-ons, mission generators, skins, sounds, etc members of this forum would advise overall to acheive this and boost the whole sim overall...

I'm all patched up to 4.4, and have downloaded Lowengrin's mission generator (but haven't installed/tried it). Is that one considered the best (for what I'm after)?

ALSO! I read that if I don't have Battle Over Europe, I'll need to download the RAF and USAF add-ons. Is that the case with FB/AEP/PF merged? If not, what do I need to download (...I couldn't find anything at the link provided).

ALSO ALSO! I've never been able to have music playing for takeoffs, etc... just music on the menu pages. Any ideas what may be wrong there?

Thanks... Over

Skycat_2
03-06-2006, 07:02 PM
Paul Lowengrin offers the Dynamic Campaign Generator (DCG). I think that is what you mean by the mission generator. Some people swear by it and say DCG is better than DGen, the stock dynamic campaign career generator program. I downloaded DCG solely for the purpose of avoiding having to purchase BoE (I wanted Normandy missions) but my personal qualm with DCG was that it would put way too many planes in the air, many off doing things unrelated to the mission, and my frames suffered for it. I haven't used DCG for over a year. Still, I recognized there were good features with DCG and I'm sure Paul has only improved the program.

If you don't have FB+AEP+PF then you do need the US and RAF portrait/medal packs if you want to fly US and RAF missions in FB/AEP using DCG. They are available at Netwings and through Extreme_One's signature block. "Battle Over Europe" comes with US portraits and medals and the BoE_AEP update adds a version of RAF portraits and medals. If you do have PF 4.04m then you already have working versions of US and RAF speech, medals and portraits.

Battle Over Europe is an excellent package; I'm glad I got it. The price is only $15 USD I think and that includes shipping from England. The BoE updates added value to the overall product. I incorporated Starshoy's official and unofficial BoE updates into compilation zip (http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?download=2032) that also includes Ian Boys' DGen_4043_upgrade and sdome other stuff. You can install the compilation without BoE (some campaigns like Normandy and Ardennes will be in menu but won't generate) but for best results get BoE and install the compilation after that.

There are some other great *free* DGen campaigns as well. TruePacific DGen (http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?s=b3ae36c3b3bf4cc6d4d0d732b4a0c930&dlcategory=53) updates some of the stock PF campaigns and realigns the order of campaigns; I think I have the files common to TruePacific updated to the same version in DGen4043+BoE4.0 but just in case it might be best to install TruePacific after DGen4043+BoE4.0. For EastFront updates, try Amagi's Disaster On the Frontier (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_campaigns_dof.htm) DGen campaign and GregSM's Enhanced Eastern DGen Campaigns (v2) (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9051006714). There are other campaigns but I think these will add/upgrade so much for your stock game that you'll be playing FB/PF until 2010. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If you still need more then I'll recommend you google for Demon's UberQuick Mission Generator for a program that gives you QMB capability plus some FMB flexibility for almost all pf_4.04m maps. In addition, the IL-2 Mat Manager by Aces Artwork is a terrific visual enhancement to the stock game because it gives you weathered national markings and other enhanced decals.

Regarding the music not playing during the missions, check that you don't have a toggle switched off in the audio setup.

ladlon
03-06-2006, 09:28 PM
Hi, Skycat...

Ya, I noticed BoE after getting FB/AEP (just a few days ago, after buying PF a few weeks ago). I've always been after a 'battle over Germany/England' type thing... especially with heavy bombers. I'm told that Oleg is actually working on that now (BoB), and that the guys who did the OTHER BoB are actually working on a remake of the old B-17:Mighty8th sim (...sweeeet!).

Anyway, so I have had my eye on BoE, wondering if it would give me what I wanted (minus the B-17's). I'll check it out again. Is it still relevant to get it after the having FB/AEP/PF?

Does DCG give you 'over Germany/Europe' missions? Ground strikes?

I think I've heard others mentioning the overpopulated skies in DCG, but I think I also heard you can set it to ease off on that (Density setting).

I heard about the UberQuick Mission Generator, but hadn't found it. I'll Google it as you suggested.

Question for you... If these things are randomly generating missions, why are there all these different versions/replacements? Just improvements on the variety or something?

Regarding the audio... No, I have the music option switched on. Never understood that. IL2 was the same... Music in the menu (ugh, that damn music....), but no 'take off' music, or 'crash' music, etc. Always have those switched to 'on', plus the 'play music' switch on too. I don't know what's up. Never worked, on either sim.

I'll definitely check out the various add-ons you mentioned.

elphifou
03-06-2006, 09:39 PM
Hi ladlon

The "Crash", "InFlight" and "TakeOff" folders are empty by default. You have to create your own audio files for them.

ladlon
03-06-2006, 09:48 PM
Ah... I kind of suspected that! I was reading some posts about renaming wav files so they'd work or something. Are the intended files elsewhere on the drive/CD, or do they not exist at all?

I heard people talking about tracks that had the sound of planes/nature, etc... Know anything about that?

**LATE ADDITION**
Hey, I just found a 'Sounds' folder in the Samples folder (where the music and speech folders are found). Those actually contain the ambient tracks I was reading about. Are those used anywhere, or are they just unused extras that the player can put in manually somewhere?

I'm going to put one of the 'airfield' wavs (birds chirping, plane motors) in the 'takeoff' folder... Hrmmm, but what if I'm taking off from an aircraft carrier?! I wonder what those wavs are for?...

Anyone?

elphifou
03-06-2006, 10:23 PM
dunno about the additional audio files. I don't like "music" when I fly lolll
Plus my audio system can't take much anyway.
I'll have a look tomorrow after work, though.

thanks for the info

ladlon
03-06-2006, 10:55 PM
Ya, I'm not one of those types who complains if there isn't music playing through the whole game. I prefer radio chatter and 'real' sounds... but given the opportunity to have a short music clip play when you are firing up the engines, I'm interested.

Not sure what the deal is with the ambient sounds in the Sounds folder is... I know I've heard air raid sirens when I'm at ground level (after crashing) at an enemy base... But I haven't heard anything 'ambient' at my own bases and carriers. That would be a nice immersive thing...

I love the little trucks and things driving around at airports. Wish that was 'standard' on the maps, rather than having to be put in by the person making the mission. I love how Lock-On has (optional) traffic on the roads (without you having to do anything). Wish IL2 had that (automatically). Wish there was more 'stuff' (again, optional, for those who have slower systems) like moving vehicals and more detail objects like barrels, etc. Really looks great and 'puts you there' when they ARE there...

Skycat_2
03-06-2006, 11:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ladlon:
Anyway, so I have had my eye on BoE, wondering if it would give me what I wanted (minus the B-17's). I'll check it out again. Is it still relevant to get it after the having FB/AEP/PF? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I finally broke down and sent for BoE right after the holidays. I've had FB/AEP since the week each were released and PF for a year. I was skeptical about BoE, especially because there are already so many missions in FB/PF and I wasn't excited about buying 'more of the same.' I was also less than enthusiastic about buying DGen campaigns that I felt should have come in AEP. Anyhow, to make a long ramble much shorter I am very pleased with BoE and I play a few P-47 missions every night. There is a nice variety of missions for the P-47 at least -- pre D-Day bomber escorts, train strikes, bridge busting, airfield and convoy attacks, air interdiction missions. What I've played I've liked better than the stock DGen. And it only got better because of AEP and PF because Starshoy updated the BoE campaign files after pf_401m came out. His updates add RAF campaigns and an Me-163 career, a larger variety of AI traffic and more planes as flyable. Those are in the compilation zip I linked for you. In addition if you have BoE you can add additional campaigns with Jumo's BoE addon at Netwings, or 402Fenrir's upcoming BoE 4.04 update.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ladlon:
Does DCG give you 'over Germany/Europe' missions? Ground strikes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not sure but I assume it does. The few missions I flew ended up as channel dogfights though.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ladlon:
I heard about the UberQuick Mission Generator, but hadn't found it. I'll Google it as you suggested. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Link to UQMG home site (http://www.uberdemon.com/).
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ladlon:
Question for you... If these things are randomly generating missions, why are there all these different versions/replacements? Just improvements on the variety or something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The missions still rely on templates and parameters. DGen campaigns typically have hand-placed static objects along the airfields and on the battlefield for effect. Also, the frontlines move a specified amount between missions I think. The 'random' part of the mission is your target, the type of mission, your waypoints, who will accompany you and who you will encounter as opposition. Even squadron markings/skins might be randomized if that is built into the campaign.
The updated files tell DGen what planes it can choose from for each campaign, with varying percent chance that each kind listed will be used. You don't want A6M5s to appear over Berlin, do you? On the other hand, adding the Mosquito and the D0-335 into European campaigns is cool ... but you don't want to see Do-335s in every mission, maybe just once during the campaign.

ladlon
03-06-2006, 11:22 PM
Hrmmm... I'll definitely be giving a second look to BoE. Sounds like BoB (Oleg's one) is going to be really good. May very well be the thing I'm looking for. But BoE sounds cool too. Still only scratched the surface of PF and FB/AEP... and even IL2 for that matter. Really just getting into it now.

That compliation link you gave me... That file requires BoE, right?

Thanks for the UberDemon link!

Ah, I understand the various random mission updates now...

Ya, for me, the dynamic (things destroyed stay destroyed, front moves, supplies vary, etc) thing is cool... but I'd be happy even only with random missions (random targets, random position/type of enemy, etc).

Just wish the flight there (especially in Pacific missions) wasn't so insanely long!... Yes, it's real-to-life, and I totally respect that (and all other accuracies)... but MAN it takes forever, even on 8x (and the newly discovered TimeSkip)! Then again, once I get knowledgeable about complex engine management (and dealing with mechanical issues), flying around (non-combat) will be a bit more involved... Same deal with navigating. Some day, I may turn off the map aids so I have to navigate manually.

Skycat_2
03-06-2006, 11:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ladlon:
That compliation link you gave me... That file requires BoE, right?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just the BoE update files require BoE. Without BoE installed you'll still see the BoE campaigns appear as options in your career menus but you won't be able to generate missions from those listings. If you get BoE later, just reinstall the compilation pack to be up-to-date.

The majority of the compilation is Ian Boys' DGen_4043_Upgrade + the supporting Italian speech and pilot packs which gives you some Italian careers plus some DGen options for his NW Europe map. Flying Tempests, Thunderbolts, Mosquitos and Spitfires over that map is a lot of fun. The compilation just organizes several separate downloads plus various updates into one place to make it easy to install all at once. There are also a few extra things put in for convenience's sake. Just last night I reuploaded it with some new files to add an Italian MC.202 campaign to the small 'North Africa' map.

major_setback
03-07-2006, 03:19 AM
This thread has some in-depth information on the Battle over Europe add-on:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m...511022653#8511022653 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8511022653/r/8511022653#8511022653)

(one of my own pictures from BoE):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE05a.jpg