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Jagdgeschwader2
02-21-2004, 10:11 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gifWell it finally happened. My good old MS force feedback 2 stick finally bit the dust after countless sorties and GA flights. It had lost the smooth control throws I had enjoyed so much but more importantly the throttle had been sticking and finally one night on Greater Green the throttle stuck open at 30% and no matter how hard I worked it back and forth it wouldn't budge which resulted in my untimely death. So I took it out to the backyard and backed over it a few times with my truck. Anyway now I needed a new rig so after two weeks of reading reviews and procrastinating I finally decided on the CH Products F-16 Fighter Stick USB and Pro Throttle USB. I already had the Pro Pedals USB and Flight Sim Yoke USB so I would not need any extra equipment. I ordered them from www.flightsimcentral.com (http://www.flightsimcentral.com) and they arrived in only two days. That's fast shipping! I must say that I was quite impressed upon opening the boxes.
Both the stick and throttle are made of plastic but there is nothing flimsy or cheap about them. They are both very large and have rubber feet so they won't slide around. Both the stick and throttle have very smooth movements. Together they give you hundreds of easily programmable buttons. No longer do I have to reach over to the keyboard to hit the map button or to kick the supercharger into the second stage. The stick also has a rudder trim wheel and aileron trim wheel and an elevator trim wheel so you can get set up correctly every time you take off. A program called Control Manager is also included which I have yet to figure out. For anyone thinking about getting the CH Products F-16 Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Rudder Pedals let may say this very clearly quit thinking about it and get this setup it's simply awesome! You have complete control especially with the rudder pedals your aim will greatly improve. You can perform aerobatics very smoothly. The difference between this setup and my old MS stick is like comparing a Chevette to a Corvette. I tried it out today on the TX-0C3 server and thoroughly enjoyed having my arse handed to me.
Hey I have not flown in over two weeks and this is a new rig which takes some getting used to! One thing though is the view hat is a little different from my old MS stick and I can clearly see the need for Track IR2 now. I found myself reaching for the mouse to see who was coming in to kill me. There is a small joystick on the Pro Throttle which you can use as a mouse but I have not figured out how to program it yet. I think I'll just get the Track IR2. Anyway again I would highly recommend the CH Products stick, throttle and rudder pedals to anyone you won't be disappointed. >S<






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Jagdgeschwader2
02-21-2004, 10:11 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gifWell it finally happened. My good old MS force feedback 2 stick finally bit the dust after countless sorties and GA flights. It had lost the smooth control throws I had enjoyed so much but more importantly the throttle had been sticking and finally one night on Greater Green the throttle stuck open at 30% and no matter how hard I worked it back and forth it wouldn't budge which resulted in my untimely death. So I took it out to the backyard and backed over it a few times with my truck. Anyway now I needed a new rig so after two weeks of reading reviews and procrastinating I finally decided on the CH Products F-16 Fighter Stick USB and Pro Throttle USB. I already had the Pro Pedals USB and Flight Sim Yoke USB so I would not need any extra equipment. I ordered them from www.flightsimcentral.com (http://www.flightsimcentral.com) and they arrived in only two days. That's fast shipping! I must say that I was quite impressed upon opening the boxes.
Both the stick and throttle are made of plastic but there is nothing flimsy or cheap about them. They are both very large and have rubber feet so they won't slide around. Both the stick and throttle have very smooth movements. Together they give you hundreds of easily programmable buttons. No longer do I have to reach over to the keyboard to hit the map button or to kick the supercharger into the second stage. The stick also has a rudder trim wheel and aileron trim wheel and an elevator trim wheel so you can get set up correctly every time you take off. A program called Control Manager is also included which I have yet to figure out. For anyone thinking about getting the CH Products F-16 Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Rudder Pedals let may say this very clearly quit thinking about it and get this setup it's simply awesome! You have complete control especially with the rudder pedals your aim will greatly improve. You can perform aerobatics very smoothly. The difference between this setup and my old MS stick is like comparing a Chevette to a Corvette. I tried it out today on the TX-0C3 server and thoroughly enjoyed having my arse handed to me.
Hey I have not flown in over two weeks and this is a new rig which takes some getting used to! One thing though is the view hat is a little different from my old MS stick and I can clearly see the need for Track IR2 now. I found myself reaching for the mouse to see who was coming in to kill me. There is a small joystick on the Pro Throttle which you can use as a mouse but I have not figured out how to program it yet. I think I'll just get the Track IR2. Anyway again I would highly recommend the CH Products stick, throttle and rudder pedals to anyone you won't be disappointed. &gt;S&lt;






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InyerEye
02-21-2004, 10:49 PM
The control manager makes this setup alot better.You can set a botton on your js or throttle as a "shift" so that every button on it works as two.I've had my CH hotas set for a couple of years with no problems.Oh,I did drop the throttle on my hardwood floor and broke a button.CH repaired under warranty.
Great customer service.
That yoke should be good for the upcoming P38's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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resev
02-21-2004, 10:50 PM
I'm just gazing in green jealously at your setup, congrats. :P

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Old_Canuck
02-21-2004, 10:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gifWell it finally happened. My good old MS force feedback 2 stick finally bit the dust after countless sorties and GA flights. It had lost the smooth control throws I had enjoyed so much but more importantly the throttle had been sticking and finally one night on Greater Green the throttle stuck open at 30% and no matter how hard I worked it back and forth it wouldn't budge which resulted in my untimely death. So I took it out to the backyard and backed over it a few times with my truck. Anyway now I needed a new rig so after two weeks of reading reviews and procrastinating I finally decided on the CH Products F-16 Fighter Stick USB and Pro Throttle USB. I already had the Pro Pedals USB and Flight Sim Yoke USB so I would not need any extra equipment. I ordered them from http://www.flightsimcentral.com and they arrived in only two days. That's fast shipping! I must say that I was quite impressed upon opening the boxes.
Both the stick and throttle are made of plastic but there is nothing flimsy or cheap about them. They are both very large and have rubber feet so they won't slide around. Both the stick and throttle have very smooth movements. Together they give you hundreds of easily programmable buttons. No longer do I have to reach over to the keyboard to hit the map button or to kick the supercharger into the second stage. The stick also has a rudder trim wheel and aileron trim wheel and an elevator trim wheel so you can get set up correctly every time you take off. A program called Control Manager is also included which I have yet to figure out. For anyone thinking about getting the CH Products F-16 Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Rudder Pedals let may say this very clearly quit thinking about it and get this setup it's simply awesome! You have complete control especially with the rudder pedals your aim will greatly improve. You can perform aerobatics very smoothly. The difference between this setup and my old MS stick is like comparing a Chevette to a Corvette. I tried it out today on the TX-0C3 server and thoroughly enjoyed having my arse handed to me.
Hey I have not flown in over two weeks and this is a new rig which takes some getting used to! One thing though is the view hat is a little different from my old MS stick and I can clearly see the need for Track IR2 now. I found myself reaching for the mouse to see who was coming in to kill me. There is a small joystick on the Pro Throttle which you can use as a mouse but I have not figured out how to program it yet. I think I'll just get the Track IR2. Anyway again I would highly recommend the CH Products stick, throttle and rudder pedals to anyone you won't be disappointed. &gt;S&lt;






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A speck of dirt on your windscreen could turn into an enemy fighter in the time it took to look round and back again. A little smear on your goggles might hide the plane that was coming in to kill you.
Derek Robinson
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Cool. I've got the rudder pedals but still trying to wear out a Logitech Wingman that came last birthday so I'll have an excuse to put a kit together like yours. That 50 cal. ammunition box is a classic [img]http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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resev
02-21-2004, 10:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by InyerEye:
That yoke should be good for the upcoming P38's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


My thoughts exactly.

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Jagdgeschwader2
02-21-2004, 11:09 PM
That yoke should be good for the upcoming P38's .
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Yep I already preordered the expansion pack just for that P-38! I don't know how good the yoke will work for the P-38 though. It seems to have longer and slower control throws than the stick. I mainly use it to fly my YS-11 in FS2004. It's mainly for smooth flying. But I guess I'll find out.

&gt;S&lt;




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A speck of dirt on your windscreen could turn into an enemy fighter in the time it took to look round and back again. A little smear on your goggles might hide the plane that was coming in to kill you.
Derek Robinson
From the book Piece of Cake.

[This message was edited by Jagdgeschwader2 on Sat February 21 2004 at 10:21 PM.]

resev
02-21-2004, 11:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
Yep I already preordered the expansion pack just for that P-38! I don't know how good the yoke will work for the P-38 though. It seems to have longer and slower control throws than the stick. I mainly use it to fly my YS-11 in FS2004. It's mainly for smooth flying. But I guess I'll find out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actualy, there are two easy ways to fix the long trow problem.

The first solution is more intended if you were to be an exclusive P-38 pilot (as it would affect the joystick as wel).
You just have to work the input sliders inside the game, so that they become much tighter, therefore, even with a long trow, the reaction would be imediate and precise, because the upper hand would reach the limit quickly.
(e.g. 30-40-50-60-70-80-90-100-100-100)


The second solution might be the best, because you can change whatever you want, and keep it on a separate profile, without trashing the smooth behaviour in civy sims.
In a nutshell, you can tighten and reduce the group input responses inside the control manager itself.
(e.g. instead of 20 work groups (hipotetical) you reduce it to 10 work groups.)
This way, the reaction times will be closer and faster.

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Jagdgeschwader2
02-22-2004, 12:08 AM
In a nutshell, you can tighten and reduce the group input responses inside the control manager itself.
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That is the best solution. I'll create a seperate profile in control manager for the yoke and then i'll load it up when I go to fly the P-38. I'm printing out the control manager help file as I type! I'll have to do my homework on the control manager program it's a bit tricky. I made a simple profile for the stick,throttle and rudder pedals already but I'm going to work on it some more to fine tune it. Thanks for the idea.

&gt;S&lt;

A speck of dirt on your windscreen could turn into an enemy fighter in the time it took to look round and back again. A little smear on your goggles might hide the plane that was coming in to kill you.
Derek Robinson
From the book Piece of Cake.

Alexi_Alx_Anova
02-22-2004, 04:23 AM
Nice set up Jagdgeschwader2. I'm waiting to buy a throttle to complete my setup. Just bought a fighterstick. I have a que. for you regarding it. My throttle wheel has about 2mm of extra travel in it after I hit max. throttle. i.e., as I move the wheel forward, I reach 110% throttle and the wheel can still move forward by few more millimeters. Do you find this also? Yes, I have callibrated it using Control Manager, but it doesn't change this. I'm just wondering if this is part of the design (perhaps afterburners for other sims) or if I have a slight defect in my stick.

After spending all that money, why not top it off with a TrackIR2 (can't recommend it more) and a slightly larger monitor?

Alexi

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resev
02-22-2004, 04:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alexi_Alx_Anova:
My throttle wheel has about 2mm of extra travel in it after I hit max. throttle. i.e., as I move the wheel forward, I reach 110% throttle and the wheel can still move forward by few more millimeters. Do you find this also? Yes, I have callibrated it using Control Manager, but it doesn't change this. I'm just wondering if this is part of the design (perhaps afterburners for other sims) or if I have a slight defect in my stick.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Its not a defect at all, in fact, its a cleaver design feature meant to avoid problems that other joysticks have.

For example, on Logitech joysticks, sometimes, when you try to reach the maximum power, it won't hold and drop 1 or 2 percent below maximum, and the same thing happens in minimum power in the oposite direction.

In the CH stick, that won't happen, because even if the slider wouldn't stick, it would still remain at the proper value because it had enough extra uncoded leanway to do so.

Its a cleaver feature, not a flaw. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RevvinUK
02-22-2004, 04:38 AM
Congratualtions on your choice, I have the exact same setup of a CH USB Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, Pro Pedals and Flight Sim Yoke and I plan to add the new CH Throttle Quadrant which you can see here (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57).

I've owned a multitude of sticks over the years but my all time favourite has to have been the CH Force FX (incidentally CH are running a poll on what stick users would like to see next here (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=150)) That stick lasted me 6 years until I decided to go for a USB setup.

You can find a profile and .cmc file at The CH Hangar (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/) here (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3) and here (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72). CMC files contain all the commands for a game which you simply then insert into your joystick profile without the need to remember the keys as you make your profile, it also helps with editing and tweeking profiles so suit your own style. Take a look at this (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=159) thread where you will find a link for a beginners guide for CH users as well as more information on how to use cmc files in your CH profiles. This (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23) thread discusses the options available for programming the ministick to work as a mouse or mini joystick while this (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20) thread will give you tips on how to turn that ministick into a four way hat switch and this (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=225) thread will show you how to turn it into an 8 way hat switch using CMS scripting.

Hope that helps you with your new rig.

Alexi_Alx_Anova
02-22-2004, 04:58 AM
Thanks resev, that puts my mind to rest.

Alexi

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pacettid
02-22-2004, 05:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
In a nutshell, you can tighten and reduce the group input responses inside the control manager itself.
********************************************

That is the best solution. I'll create a seperate profile in control manager for the yoke and then i'll load it up when I go to fly the P-38. I'm printing out the control manager help file as I type! I'll have to do my homework on the control manager program it's a bit tricky. I made a simple profile for the stick,throttle and rudder pedals already but I'm going to work on it some more to fine tune it. Thanks for the idea.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could you please post your results/upload the profile to Mudmovers/Netwings, etc....I have always wanted to use my CH Yoke for the P-38 in CFS2, but could never figure out how to tighten the response. With the P-38 coming out in the AEP this is a must now!

All the best, Don

horseback
02-22-2004, 12:36 PM
One other thing you should consider-if the stick's POV hat switch is, like my Combatstick's, a little too far away for your thumb, I'd recommend using it for more buttons, and assigning the throttle POV hat for POV. I use the stick hat for rudder and elevator trim, and find it very useful. At the same time, when I want to look around when I'm in a sharp turn, there's a lot less chance of stalling out now, because the thumb controlling my view is not fumbling around on the stick.

cheers,

horseback

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Xnomad
02-22-2004, 01:21 PM
I have the throttle and pedals as well nothing strange about that. But I also have the same mouse as you and the same router and I also have a fifty caliber bullet on my desk. Scary, are we FB geeks all alike http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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Jagdgeschwader2
02-22-2004, 02:53 PM
Revvin_UK:
Hope that helps you with your new rig.
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Wow thanks for all the help and ideas guys! Especially you Revvin_UK I was a bit intimidated by the Control Manager program at first but now I've got the hang of it. I have created several test profiles and I think I have one thats just about perfect now thanks to you.
Cheers

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Xnomad:
I have the throttle and pedals as well nothing strange about that. But I also have the same mouse as you and the same router and I also have a fifty caliber bullet on my desk. Scary, are we FB geeks all alike

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Yeah but has your fifty been fired and then recovered? Lol actually we FB geeks are all alike.


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RevvinUK
02-22-2004, 02:56 PM
Glad to help http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Burnin_777_AVG
02-22-2004, 03:35 PM
Now all you need is this. http://777AVG.com/cockpit

BV

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VonKlugermon
02-22-2004, 03:43 PM
Hey RevvinUK, great link to the CH Hanger! I never even knew that existed! Now maybe I can find a map/profile for my CombatStick/ProThrottle/ProPedal combo!

Thanks!

Willy

AFJ_Locust
02-22-2004, 04:02 PM
That is the best solution. I'll create a seperate profile in control manager for the yoke and then i'll load it up when I go to fly the P-38. I'm printing out the control manager help file as I type! I'll have to do my homework on the control manager program it's a bit tricky. I made a simple profile for the stick,throttle and rudder pedals already but I'm going to work on it some more to fine tune it. Thanks for the idea.
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After you use the CH manager for a week you will get the hang of it.

If you get stuck you can call CH tech support they can answer all your programing questions

Awsome service tech's that go the distance !!!

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RevvinUK
02-22-2004, 04:11 PM
Vonklugermon&gt; I don't have one for the Combatstick/Pro Throttle combo but you will find a .cmc file for IL-2:FB that will help you quickly build your own. I really need to go back and update my Fighterstick profile.

AFJ_Locust&gt; CH staff and Bob Church hang out at The CH Hangar to help out as well as many experienced CH users who help with questions, ideas etc. I've learnt a lot from those guys since the site opened especially with what is capable using CMS scripts.

resev
02-22-2004, 06:08 PM
Well, i guess its up to me.

Revvin, happy birthday. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RevvinUK
02-23-2004, 12:50 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Cheers Resev

BM357_Raven
02-23-2004, 02:34 AM
I own 3 CH products myself.. I keep looking at the joystick and....man it looks ugly; like it's out of the early 80's or something..

But that was a waste of breath, er, key-pushing... I actually had a question. What do people like about the CH stick? I have MS FFB2, but if it ever breaks one day, I am wondering if I will want to goto the CH stick.. I have their throttle, rudder pedals and yoke..

Thanks in advance...

Oh yeah, and PS I would vote for CH to do a FFB... S~

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02-23-2004, 03:50 AM
Nice keyboardhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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