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Prof.Wizard
05-03-2004, 11:52 AM
-For me a real ace in online games doesn't need to fly the best aircraft, he flies the worst or earlier versions of famous or not-so-famous birds and still scores kills.

-He doesn't vulch you with fighter cannons, but yes he can fly his hard-beaten bomber through thick flak and many enemy fighters and still score direct hits with 50kg bombs.

-He doesn't speak too much on the chatter. Neither he whines or insults.

-He has his cockpit always on even if the server allows cockpits off.

-He tweaks all attributes of the engine (throttle, pitch, mixture, supercharger stage, everything possible)

-He knows when to disengage and head home to RTB.


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Prof.Wizard
05-03-2004, 11:52 AM
-For me a real ace in online games doesn't need to fly the best aircraft, he flies the worst or earlier versions of famous or not-so-famous birds and still scores kills.

-He doesn't vulch you with fighter cannons, but yes he can fly his hard-beaten bomber through thick flak and many enemy fighters and still score direct hits with 50kg bombs.

-He doesn't speak too much on the chatter. Neither he whines or insults.

-He has his cockpit always on even if the server allows cockpits off.

-He tweaks all attributes of the engine (throttle, pitch, mixture, supercharger stage, everything possible)

-He knows when to disengage and head home to RTB.


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05-03-2004, 12:00 PM
You just described me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BpGemini
05-03-2004, 12:07 PM
I agree Prof.Wizard.

To add: A real ace never Stooges. Instead he'll CAP his allies fight and let them gain their much needed experience while surveying the sky for incoming bandits and watching his allies for needed help.

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El Turo
05-03-2004, 12:12 PM
Puts his trim on a slider and never looks back?



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ARSNL
05-03-2004, 12:14 PM
I thought after reading the title we had a new RBJ alias!

I agree with all but #1. I personally fly the Spitfire because it is what I want to fly, but I begrudge no-one who flies the so-called 'uber' planes. A real ace is sensible enough to take any advantage.

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Stalker58
05-03-2004, 12:34 PM
Aces always flyies the best, in RL and in AEP too.Why they should't?

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

BpGemini
05-03-2004, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stalker58:
Aces always flyies the best, in RL and in AEP too.Why they should't?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wrong-O.

In RL, they flew what they had to, to get the job done.

In this simulation they fly what would be the most challenging or their favorite is ok too. But no they don't just pick the best. That is no challenge and that is NOT the mindset of a champion or ace.

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p1ngu666
05-03-2004, 12:48 PM
aces and everyone i guess would try and get the best equipment. but onwhine u dont respect ki84 fliers, especialy the C ones.

-He doesn't speak too much on the chatter. Neither he whines or insults.

-He has his cockpit always on even if the server allows cockpits off.

-He knows when to disengage and head home to RTB.

are the ones i dont really do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
i do normaly disengage if i lose engine, or glide down to a lower fight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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BaldieJr
05-03-2004, 01:05 PM
Fly with cockpit on in a cockpit-off server will just get you cursed at.

I was b1tched out recently because of a collision. I had my cockpit on and couldn't see the team-mate under me. He could see me, but somehow it was my fault that we collided.

I know, it has nothing to do with the topic. I just needed to vent this frustration.

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gates123
05-03-2004, 01:07 PM
-His sole mission is to support his teamates

-He disengages the enemy when there is a 3v1 in their favor and climbs to support the effort

-He escorts lone jabo or bomber pilots

-He will fire his mg's out of range when a teamate is in big trouble

-He will continue to support his teamates even when hit just to keep a 2v1 advantage if possible.

-He know's when to drag and when to bag

-He rarely rtb's with ammo left

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LilHorse
05-03-2004, 01:30 PM
He is patient. He is disciplined. He never puts his ego above the level of his teammates.

Bearcat99
05-03-2004, 01:38 PM
Theres no such thing as a real Ace in IL2.... unless of course he has actual combat experience.

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TC_Stele
05-03-2004, 01:41 PM
He tries to even out the teams even if the craft he wishes to fly that day is on the other side.

tttiger
05-03-2004, 02:22 PM
A real IL-2 online ace stays out of DF arenas and flies only Coops and/or virtual wars.

As to plane choice, read my sig http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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bodaw
05-03-2004, 02:42 PM
Real ACE uses only keyboard and mouse to fly and fight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

BpGemini
05-03-2004, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
A real IL-2 online ace stays out of DF arenas and flies only Coops and/or virtual wars.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nope.
There's nothing wrong with a good DF arena.
Coops are where chickens are kept.
Co-ops against AI are lame.
Co-ops against virtual human pilots aren't much different than a good DF map.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
As to plane choice, read my sig http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


That's in Real Life. This is a game, albeit a good one. Grow a pair and take on a challenge. You don't need the best weapon or plane to succeed. Only Quake heads grab the biggest and best instinctively in a game.

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Prof.Wizard
05-03-2004, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ARSNL:
I agree with all but #1. I personally fly the Spitfire because it is what I want to fly, but I begrudge no-one who flies the so-called 'uber' planes. A real ace is sensible enough to take any advantage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally totally disagree! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
There was a good reason I placed that one on #1. I just disconnected from a dogfight server that in the end became a Ki-84c party. It was unbearable. Alright, we all know that this plane combines the best manueverability with optimal fire power but what's the point if everyone flies this one?

Of course you might say the real better can only be seen when you fly the same bird as your adversary but if you want to do just that get on a 1on1 server.

I think many dogfight rooms become boring in the end. You only see 1944+ planes and most of them by the same persons who lament about jets and rocket-powered birds.

BUT PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME! Of course you are free to fly the bird you want and you want a good plane, but this thread is an open letter to all "aces" or "wanna-be aces". If you become good in this simulation fly the underdog. More challenge for you and your less for your adversaries. And a more complete room where you see many different planes fly and compete.

Just my two cents.

PS. I don't know if you know him, but I decided to start this thread to honor "LW_Dragon" who is the online pilot that epitomizes all these great attributes. The guy scored kills and RTBed in a darn P11c!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
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BpGemini
05-03-2004, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bodaw:
Real ACE uses only keyboard and mouse to fly and fight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Typical reply to missing the point of not taking the best all the time.

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Curly_109
05-03-2004, 03:14 PM
i think that real aces are interesting in pretty much just scoring kills and add it to their tallies (in real life or IL-2), a good pilot however does not... that's what i'm concluded. after 3 years of this game in all possible ways of playing it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BpGemini
05-03-2004, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ARSNL:
I agree with all but #1. I personally fly the Spitfire because it is what I want to fly, but I begrudge no-one who flies the so-called 'uber' planes. A real ace is sensible enough to take any advantage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally totally disagree! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
There was a good reason I placed that one on #1. I just disconnected from a dogfight server that in the end became a Ki-84c party. It was unbearable. Alright, we all know that this plane combines the best manueverability with optimal fire power but what's the point if everyone flies this one?

Of course you might say the real better can only be seen when you fly the same bird as your adversary but if you want to do just that get on a 1on1 server.

I think many dogfight rooms become boring in the end. You only see 1944+ planes and most of them by the same persons who lament about jets and rocket-powered birds.

BUT PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME! Of course you are free to fly the bird you want and you want a good plane, but this thread is an open letter to all "aces" or "wanna-be aces". If you become good in this simulation fly the underdog. More challenge for you and your adversaries.

Just my two cents.

PS. I don't know if you him, but I decided to start this thread to honor "LW_Dragon" who is the online pilot that epitomizes all these great attributes. The guy scored kills and RTBed in a darn P11c!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif
That's what I call an ace man!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


A P.11 is actually pretty easy to get kills in. It creates a good mismatch against more modern fighters.

I'm just saying.

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Curly_109
05-03-2004, 03:19 PM
and i just forgot to say with a proper equipment (strong PC-&gt;high fps, +track IR)every one of us in this topic is ace in IL-2 (for over-enthusiastic pilots it should take a little bit longer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif).

crazyivan1970
05-03-2004, 03:23 PM
True virtual aces remain quiet.... if you know what i mean. Those who screams out "I`m an ace" - average at best.

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Prof.Wizard
05-03-2004, 03:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
A P.11 is actually pretty easy to get kills in. It creates a good mismatch against more modern fighters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Still the Gladiator, I153 and that Italian biplane are better.
P11c is slow without having the manueverability of a biplane. It's the worst of both worlds IMO.

Anyway, to kill a P11c just needs two or three successful passes in a modern fighter so I guess BnZ always work with this guy.

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Curly_109
05-03-2004, 03:32 PM
o.k. for P.11c characteristics, but turning with 1941model&gt; with 1939&lt;=models is just what i call "wrong tactic". just climb and dive on poor fellow, he won't know what even happened when u pass with 550+kmh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

for instance try flying LA5 against G.50 AI on ace level and turn with him---he'll make a short work on u http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

BpGemini
05-03-2004, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
A P.11 is actually pretty easy to get kills in. It creates a good mismatch against more modern fighters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Still the Gladiator, I153 and that Italian biplane are better.
P11c is slow without having the manueverability of a biplane. It's the worst of both worlds IMO.

Anyway, to kill a P11c just needs two or three successful passes in a modern fighter so I guess BnZ always work with this guy.

I think, I didn't go against the LW_Dragon! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are better bi-planes but now we're comparing apples to apples. The jets, mid to late war fighters and the early war bi-planes are all different and create mismatches when tossed as a minority into the mix of others.

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BpGemini
05-03-2004, 03:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Curly_109:
o.k. for P.11c characteristics, but turning with 1941model&gt; with 1939&lt;=models is just what i call "wrong tactic". just climb and dive on poor fellow, he won't know what even happened when u pass with 550+kmh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

for instance try flying LA5 against G.50 AI on ace level and turn with him---he'll make a short work on u http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


In theory.
That's why I always say the plane that can dictate the fight has the advantage. The difference here is I'm talking about the mismatch as a minority. If you have several mid war fighters duking it out and one little P.11 plants himself right in the middle of the mix he creates a mismatch. In 1v1 its simple to say just B&Z him and that's correct but in a playing field of equals with one or two mismatch minorities things aren't always that simple.

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Prof.Wizard
05-03-2004, 04:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
In theory.
That's why I always say the plane that can dictate the fight has the advantage. The difference here is I'm talking about the mismatch as a minority. If you have several mid war fighters duking it out and one little P.11 plants himself right in the middle of the mix he creates a mismatch. In 1v1 its simple to say just B&Z him and that's correct but in a playing field of equals with one or two mismatch minorities things aren't always that simple.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK, I understood what you meant and I agree.

Anyway, trust me... I was in that room and saw the LW_Dragon fight like a "dragon" and he wasn't only taking shots of opportunity. Some moments more than one aircraft went against him but he escaped unscathed. And not silly aircraft, those birds we call "über"!

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