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Sillius_Sodus
10-03-2011, 11:26 PM
Why are there four mg's on one wing and 2 on the other?

Thanks.

Sillius_Sodus
10-03-2011, 11:26 PM
Why are there four mg's on one wing and 2 on the other?

Thanks.

ImpStarDuece
10-04-2011, 01:49 AM
I believe it was to make room for the landing lights.

mauld
10-12-2011, 04:11 PM
Have a look here
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ROXunreal
10-12-2011, 04:27 PM
Either way, it's pretty much the best armament on any plane before 30mm cannons came into use http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WTE_Galway
10-12-2011, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
Either way, it's pretty much the best armament on any plane before 30mm cannons came into use http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was actually a proposed 6 x 20mm nose cannon mark III which was cancelled due to the cost of converting the production facilities.

Also remember the Aussie manufactured Beau's replaced the 0.303s in the wings with 4 x 0.50 cal bmg.

Treetop64
10-13-2011, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sillius_Sodus:
Why are there four mg's on one wing and 2 on the other?

Thanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because the engine torque yaws the plane to the left, you can use the extra guns on the right side to trim her out.

BRASSTURTLE
10-15-2011, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sillius_Sodus:
Why are there four mg's on one wing and 2 on the other?

Thanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because the engine torque yaws the plane to the left, you can use the extra guns on the right side to trim her out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny.

Observe:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b62/BRASSTURTLE/S7000084.jpg

ROXunreal
10-17-2011, 05:50 AM
I observe american markings and disapprove http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And yeah, torque actually pushes the plane to the side with more guns.

Maybe they designed the plane, including landing light, before they actually decided where they'll put the MG's?

Tully__
10-17-2011, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
I observe american markings and disapprove http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And yeah, torque actually pushes the plane to the side with more guns.

Maybe they designed the plane, including landing light, before they actually decided where they'll put the MG's? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Torque doesn't yaw, it rolls. Propwash yaws if the rudder is directly in the propeller airstream. On twins that have a single vertical stabiliser and both props rotating in the same direction, propwash is more likely to cause roll due to disturbed airflow on the horizontal stabiliser than cause yaw.

WTE_Galway
10-17-2011, 09:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
I observe american markings and disapprove http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://www.americanmilitaryhis...-yankee-beaufighter/ (http://www.americanmilitaryhistorymsw.com/blog/493677-yankee-beaufighter/)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KezhQ6waZT0/SW1nCNJXfgI/AAAAAAAALR0/UhXcTl5rFKw/s1600/beadft.jpg

ROXunreal
10-19-2011, 08:48 AM
I said disapprove, doesn't matter if it was true or not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tully I know, by pushes I meant roll but hey, poor choice of terminology there.

TipsyTed
10-19-2011, 09:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
Tully I know, by pushes I meant roll but hey, poor choice of terminology there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually you were perfectly correct, since you were not speaking about engine-induced but rather "firing-guns-induced" torque. Tully was obviously speaking about the former.

ROXunreal
10-19-2011, 11:07 AM
Misunderstanding, I actually was referring to the prop torque. Because Treetop said the two extra guns on the right side could be to counteract the prop torque a bit with the weight, but if you look at the picture you will see that the props spin left, which would make the plane roll right, to the same side where the extra guns are, thus that counter-torque assumption would be incorrect.

Recoil would indeed affect the plane asymmetrically as you said though. But I doubt the effect would be significant for a plane this size, and the .303 caliber.

dwagener
10-22-2011, 06:50 PM
It was to accomodate the landing light

Bremspropeller
10-24-2011, 09:21 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b62/BRASSTURTLE/S7000084.jpg

I'm more inclined at staring at that funny landing-gear (tyres) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

horseback
10-24-2011, 01:21 PM
Agreed, they bear more than a passing resemblance to the most recent generation of those execrable 'emergency spare' tires.

Do you have to land & taxi at speeds under 50mph with those teeny things?

cheers

horseback

mortoma
11-02-2011, 08:54 PM
The Beaufighter in IL2 holds a special place in my heart for one reason. It proved to me how silly and untalented the AI controlled aircraft really are. Once I was alone in a Beau and I was surrounded by six AI Zeroes, ( early model ) and I successfully shot them all down, without ever being scratched! I have no idea what AI level they were ( novice, average, veteran or ace ) but they really stank it up. And that beau would hardly maneuver whatsoever. Maybe there was some luck involved too but who knows.

Some things I'll never forget in this sim, that is one of them. Shooting them down in a P-38, P-39 or P-40 would not have been a big deal but in that thing it was hard to believe. The Beau normally does not make a good fighter aircraft.

Treetop64
11-03-2011, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
I'm more inclined at staring at that funny landing-gear (tyres) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? Those non-castoring shopping cart wheels?