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hward1983
12-02-2006, 03:08 AM
I have seen this show two nights in a row on Discovery channel. It was the top ten submarines of the world. Of course with no surprise the Type 7 was considered the number one submarine, but to me the list must not had been made currently because the swedish submarine and the type 212 which I find to be very impressive and should have been included in the list. It was a very interesting show though. I learned more about the T-Class British Sub that I didn't know about it. Having 10 torp. tubes. The show referred to it as a battleship under water. The show has been coming on around 6 pm in Seoul. If anyone is interested maybe it will be aired again on Discovery Channel.

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hward1983
12-02-2006, 03:08 AM
I have seen this show two nights in a row on Discovery channel. It was the top ten submarines of the world. Of course with no surprise the Type 7 was considered the number one submarine, but to me the list must not had been made currently because the swedish submarine and the type 212 which I find to be very impressive and should have been included in the list. It was a very interesting show though. I learned more about the T-Class British Sub that I didn't know about it. Having 10 torp. tubes. The show referred to it as a battleship under water. The show has been coming on around 6 pm in Seoul. If anyone is interested maybe it will be aired again on Discovery Channel.

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tuddley3
12-02-2006, 04:15 AM
Thanks Howard, I will search for that. I know some shows like this are shown in different countries, are you in the US or Canada. Some shows are only in certain countries<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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hward1983
12-02-2006, 06:49 AM
Tuddley, I'm in Korea. Still dealing with 220 voltage in my home.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JU88
12-02-2006, 07:18 AM
The British T class Rocks! only down side was that like most of the Brit subs it had fairly low speed. about 14-15 knots surfaced i think.

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WilhelmSchulz.
12-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Sounds like something that showen on the "Military Channel" here. They have a show series called "Top Ten"<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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baggygreen
12-02-2006, 04:37 PM
Hang on.. the type VII is rated the best submarine ever????

Or is it more related to numbers produced or something similar..

Kaleun1961
12-02-2006, 05:31 PM
Well, if the ratings for this are like with the other top 10 shows, I think there are various factors which go into the rating, such as number produced, suitability for their task, lethality and so forth. For example, I saw a top 10 about tanks, and as expected, the T-34 came in at number one, and rightly so, even though I am a fan of the German armour. A top ten item makes an impact in its world, which is balanced against contenders in other time periods. A T-34 in its day was as important as an Abrams, Challenger or Leopard 2 today. So, its not about "LA class should be number one because it is modern compared to WW2 stuff" it's about the impact of the weapon relative to its place in history.

Now, how could you tease us about a top ten list of subs and not list them? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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hward1983
12-02-2006, 06:49 PM
Right Kaleun, the submarines were rated by innovation, stealth, service length, fear factor, the last one was capabilities I think I can't remember. I also have the list for you too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

1. Type VII (7) - Germany
2. USS Seawolf - United States
3. Gato Class - United States
4. T-Class - United Kingdom
5. USS Nautilus - United States
6. X-Craft - United Kingdom
7. Sen Toku - Japan
8. Type XXXI (31) - Germany
9. Typhoon Class - Russia
10. George Washington Class - United States

I wrote them down the second time I watched it. Helps my poor memory. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Slon1
12-02-2006, 06:55 PM
I downloaded the real U-boat MOD to try and play the game realistically. From what I read, using the God's eye view is unrealistic and I have to make target calculations based entirely from what I see in the parescope. So, how do I do it realistically?

Slon1
12-02-2006, 06:55 PM
I downloaded the real U-boat MOD to try and play the game realistically. From what I read, using the God's eye view is unrealistic and I have to make target calculations based entirely from what I see in the parescope. So, how do I do it realistically?

schwarze_Katze
12-02-2006, 09:00 PM
TheCommunity Manual (http://www.communitymanuals.com/shiii/index.php?title=Main_Page) is a great place to get started.

Use your nav map tools excessively. They are extremely helpful. The most important tool in your arsenal is patience. Spend the time to develop the target solution and the attack will be a breeze.

schwarze_Katze
12-02-2006, 09:46 PM
I just looked up the Gato class specs and I shudder to think of what they would have done in the hands of Germany. Aside from a shallower diving depth, the Gato hands-down would have been far more lethal than the Type VII if Germany had gotten her hands on the design. Faster, better range, more eels, more tubes, better defensive armament.

I also ran across this while wandering around the web: Type VIIF (http://uboat.net/boats/u1062.htm). 39 torpedoes!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Surely they could have been more useful as attack vessels instead of supply vessels! Had they been built en masse and used against convoys, the shipping carnage would have been so much worse.

lecek
12-02-2006, 11:44 PM
US Subs are large subs that wouldn't last very long in the environment that the German subs had to.

Their size means that they are larger targets and are less maneuverable. Their diving depth being around half that of the type 7 makes them even easier targets. They had to be large to have the fuel to move around the larger pacific.

I am sure they had technology that the Germans could have used, but the sub itself as it is made is the wrong tool for the job.

The US subs are the right tool in the Pacific VS the Japanese, and the wrong tool in the Atlantic VS the allies. The reverse is true for the German subs.

The Type VIIF is a torpedo transport. When equipped for battle, they only carried 14 torpedoes, the same as the VIIC. (According to Uboat.net) If it was that easy to make the VIIF carry 39 torpedoes and go to battle, then they would have simply made mostly VIIF's. The Germans did try to fit in as many torpedoes as they could. Some of the bunks inside the boat where folded up and not available to sleep on until after they had fired off some torpedoes.

Now I don't know exactly what is involved in making the sub carry the extra torpedoes. It is a larger sub, so it has an extra room built in. This room looks to be around the middle of the sub (looking at the graphic at uboat.net), which makes sense, torpedoes are heavy and storing them in the middle will keep from upsetting the balance of the boat. If they put that extra space in front where the torpedoes can be loaded into the torpedo tubes, then that would make the boat nose heavy and they would need extra large forward trim tanks. I would expect that it was simply not feasible to build a sub this way. Even if you split the torpedoes up, some front and some back you would still have balance issues.

Now I don't know too much about the F model, and much of the above is speculation, but the point is that if it was simply that easy, they would have done it. Usually the answer to questions that start with "can't you just ..." is "No, because it just isn't that simple."<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Slon1
12-03-2006, 12:42 AM
Anyway, I tried a bit with the real mod and didn't like some of the aspects. I liked the tools that were drawn into the maps, but not some of the features (nearly infinite deck gun reload time). Is there a way to get all of the pics/tools that help you (rulers, etc...) but without any changes?