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sdcruz
10-09-2007, 04:35 AM
I find it much easier to handle and DF against BF109F2 compared to the Mig3 1940.

How about u ?

sdcruz
10-09-2007, 04:35 AM
I find it much easier to handle and DF against BF109F2 compared to the Mig3 1940.

How about u ?

Feathered_IV
10-09-2007, 04:51 AM
Against a poorly flown 109 it's okay. If the other guy knows what he is doing though...

MEGILE
10-09-2007, 04:54 AM
LaGG3 sucks so bad it makes me sick.
But I love it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Klemm.co
10-09-2007, 05:00 AM
I hate it. Since it got its real weight, its some underpowered piece of ****. But if it was modelled like it was in reality, it would suck even more, it would burn if you just looked at it and quality control for the early examples sucked big time.

Xiolablu3
10-09-2007, 05:43 AM
I hate it - its really nothing when compared to the Bf109F/G.

Awful plane. Totally useless for my style of flying. If for some reason I have to fly it, I die - lots.

ojcar1971
10-09-2007, 06:28 AM
It's not so bad, after flying I-153 against 109s.
It's more rugged than MIG, and has more firepower. It has high energy bleeding, poor acceleration, and climbs and dives vry badly. It's prone to spin.
It's not an easy plane to master. The best early soviet plane? I prefer Yak-1

DKoor
10-09-2007, 07:10 AM
I flew some 100 missions in it in the past month or so.
I know it inside out now. Again.

Plane is ... well nothing special to put it that way.
You will be owned by axis big time.
Good point about that plane are its guns.....one burst and he he, even He-111s are failing from the sky.

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-09-2007, 07:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ojcar1971:
It's not so bad....It has high energy bleeding, poor acceleration, and climbs and dives very badly. It's prone to spin.
It's not an easy plane to master. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO...Classic.

True, but funny nonetheless.

BBB_Hyperion
10-09-2007, 07:36 AM
That the dm wasn't updated since 1.0 can save you from time to time.

alert_1
10-09-2007, 08:15 AM
It's now first time I see someone whine about VVS fighter deficiency.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

LEXX_Luthor
10-09-2007, 08:29 AM
The 8 rockets, instead of 6, are nice for use against bombers.

alert_1:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's now first time I see someone whine about VVS fighter deficiency.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Many including me Whined about MiG-3 high speed high altitude elevator stiffness that is much like Bf-109 high speed high altitude elevator stiffness, although it could have been that way for the real MiGs and BFs.

Good point though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Ernst_Rohr
10-09-2007, 09:09 AM
I, like some of the other posters, like the LaGG, despite its (many and numerous) shortcomings.

Once its up to speed, its not bad, but it bleeds E like a hemophiliac at a straight razor convention.

It does however, have the best firepower of "modern" early war soviet fighters, and does make a heck of a good bomber interceptor.

It also has a very old DM, so its still got a tail made of cast iron, which helps.

It is still a tricky, sluggish, lumbering beast of a fighter with lousy dive handling and is wont to shed surfaces at inappropriate times.

Despite that I still seem to like the monstrosity. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Divine-Wind
10-09-2007, 09:20 AM
How can I not like the plane that I began my first IL-2 career in?
Its armament kinda sucks on the earlier models, it climbs and dives like a bloated blue whale, and is prone to spin like a one-winged eagle...

But for all that I feel right at home in the cockpit. Mmm mmm mmm, LaGG-3 is one of my favorite Russian planes.

Stew278
10-09-2007, 09:21 AM
I've tried a few campaigns with it, but I don't like it very much. It bleeds speed too easily.

Against a BF109F2 I'd rather be in a Mig 3 or P-40.

PBNA-Boosher
10-09-2007, 09:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Its armament kinda sucks on the earlier models, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On the earliest model that's just not true! Two ShKAS, two UBS, one ShVAK, and a partridge in a pear tree just for starters! Let's not forget to mention the rockets and bombs! Yes, it might be slow, but one pass with that LaGG model is all you need.

Divine-Wind
10-09-2007, 09:49 AM
Okay, okay... So I was exaggerating a bit... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Xiolablu3
10-09-2007, 11:34 AM
I much prefer a Yak1 or even better Yak1B.

Divine-Wind
10-09-2007, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I much prefer a Yak1 or even better Yak1B. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just can't take any plane that shares the same name with an Asian bovine seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

waffen-79
10-09-2007, 12:12 PM
The Only early russian planes I fly are the american ones LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Nah J/K I only hate the I-16 and I-153 and that's just for their fuglyness.

Mig's, Yak's or LaGG's are all cool to me

Heliopause
10-09-2007, 12:36 PM
LaGG 3 turns pretty good, you can gain on an enemy 109 whilst turning. (or was this an old patch?)

DKoor
10-09-2007, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alert_1:
It's now first time I see someone whine about VVS fighter deficiency.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's because on these boards, any thread that has nothing to do with either US or German planes dies very quickly.
So all those topics went pretty much neglected by wider audience.
Because they choose it so.

Cool!

mortoma
10-09-2007, 05:03 PM
Which model LaGG are we talking about? Even between the model 29 and 35 there is a difference, not much but a little. There's a big diff between the S4 and the S66 though.

They are excellent against AI 109s but it takes time to finally catch a AI 109, cuz at least the AI will extend or climb and try to keep you too far away to shoot. But after a while, being AI, they will make a mistake and if you get on their six at close range it's all over.

Now online?? I would not try it for too long, probably would end up trying to bug out of an engagement just to survive. So it's offline ok, online piece of you know what. There you have it.

VW-IceFire
10-09-2007, 08:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
That the dm wasn't updated since 1.0 can save you from time to time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually it was somewhat in the last patch...its still made of concrete but the fuel tanks are prone to lighting on fire.

DKoor
10-09-2007, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
Now online?? I would not try it for too long, probably would end up trying to bug out of an engagement just to survive. So it's offline ok, online piece of you know what. There you have it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Wepps
10-09-2007, 09:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stew278:
I've tried a few campaigns with it, but I don't like it very much. It bleeds speed too easily.

Against a BF109F2 I'd rather be in a Mig 3 or P-40. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In LaGG-3s, when jumped by 109s my favorite tactic is to fly straight east just as fast as I can.

sdcruz
10-10-2007, 01:21 AM
Comrade

They would have you shot for delirition of duty!

msalama
10-10-2007, 02:37 AM
Yah, it's a veritable coffin of horrors that plane! Still a great bomber interceptor though, on- or offline http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Divine-Wind
10-10-2007, 09:18 AM
Oh yeah, when it comes to interception, the LaGG-3 is a beast.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o125/DKoor/avatar0sig/crazycat64.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Deadmeat313
10-10-2007, 09:37 AM
Here's one to try at home, kids!

I learned this ages ago on this very forum:

Set up a QMB mission. Yourself in a LaGG-3 vs 4 x He111 bombers. Don't shoot them, just approach them from the rear. As long as you keep your cockpit above them so the tailgunners can't PK you, the plane will survive.

I tried it and parked in their formation in their high 6. The tailgunner bullets were constantly CLANGing off my nosecone, but the LaGG did not suffer.

After a while I got bored and flew off. Checking externals, there was a thin stream of smoke trailing from the engine, but no loss of performance.


For comparison: Do the above in a P-40 - or, in fact any other plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


T.

JG52Karaya-X
10-10-2007, 09:54 AM
Well the same does apply to the Yaks, not only the LaGG3. Interestingly the same engine (M-105), mounted on the P40E (the field mod version) burns like dry branches when shot in the engine... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Divine-Wind
10-10-2007, 11:03 AM
Curtiss failed to use Delta Wood in the construction of their P-40 nose sections.

Polyperhon
10-11-2007, 04:13 AM
I quite like the LaGG-3. I don't think that is a "beast" or whatever similar comment it might have been said, but rather a sweet handling plane.The plane spins when you try to turn too tight in a high angle of attack, the speed drops rapidly and then the spin happens. It is predictable.And you can turn quite tight with this plane too.So someone tends to try to maximise this advantage but then the rather mediocre power to weight ration is shown clearly.These wooden wings are a bit of a nightmare. You are always afraid to dive.But in any case this is not an "interception" plane, is a pure air superiority plane.What was better than it in 1941-42...hhmm...well the Bf 109 only.Every other plane, including the spitfire V, won't have an easy job against the LaGG-3.The motor-cannon I think is a big plus in a close fighter to fighter engagement.Especially if someone knows how to make the best of the 23mm gun, which has very high muzzle velocity and allows deflection shooting with good hitting propability.
Nobody mentioned the biggest problem, the bad rear view. I presume that noboby is using a cockpit view !
I think that in the end my opinion about LaGG-3 is rather favorable, but we should think that in the sim the plane is always in top condition, when as we read in reality was not the same.

Deadmeat313
10-11-2007, 04:59 AM
I dived a LaGG-3 from 10,000 metres once. I thought it would kill me, but as my speed hit critical one of my ailerons, my rudder, and both of my elevators were ripped off.

I was left without attitude control, and could only roll lazily, so I levelled the wings. At that speed the plane was naturally trimmed upwards, so it levelled off of its own accord and wanted to climb.

I rolled to continue my lazy descent, and announced to a friend - who was observing - my intention to land. He was skeptical, but at least I still had both my wings, eh?

I lowered my urdercarriage while still doing 550kmph. One of the wheels immediately ripped off. I was undeterred, and prepared to "go in low".

With no more than one aileron for control, and one wheel to land on, I somehow managed a shallow enough approach that the wheel merely broke from under me. The LaGG tumbled for a bit, breaking one wing off, before coming to a halt upside down.

I ran the little pilot safely away from the machine and looked smugly at my friend. I had survived. "Stalin will have you shot for sabotage, though" was my friend's comment.

Bah! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

T.

sdcruz
10-11-2007, 05:17 AM
yes I also like the early LAGG 3 - I find it better than the 1940 Mig for some reason (flying in 1941)

sdcruz
10-11-2007, 05:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deadmeat313:
I dived a LaGG-3 from 10,000 metres once. I thought it would kill me, but as my speed hit critical one of my ailerons, my rudder, and both of my elevators were ripped off.

I was left without attitude control, and could only roll lazily, so I levelled the wings. At that speed the plane was naturally trimmed upwards, so it levelled off of its own accord and wanted to climb.

I rolled to continue my lazy descent, and announced to a friend - who was observing - my intention to land. He was skeptical, but at least I still had both my wings, eh?

I lowered my urdercarriage while still doing 550kmph. One of the wheels immediately ripped off. I was undeterred, and prepared to "go in low".

With no more than one aileron for control, and one wheel to land on, I somehow managed a shallow enough approach that the wheel merely broke from under me. The LaGG tumbled for a bit, breaking one wing off, before coming to a halt upside down.

I ran the little pilot safely away from the machine and looked smugly at my friend. I had survived. "Stalin will have you shot for sabotage, though" was my friend's comment.

Bah! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

T. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

very interesting - damage modelling is excellent in this sim!

han freak solo
10-11-2007, 08:15 AM
For some sick reason, I love the LaGG3. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

http://www.halconesrojos.com/articulos/deflexion/lagg3.jpg

http://www.toride.com/~roshiashi/parkp63.JPG

csThor
10-11-2007, 08:34 AM
I don't like the LaGG-3. Neither when flying it offline nor when facing it. When flying it it feels like an iron sled dragging a lead trim-weight on a long chain behind. When facing it the ancient and buggy DM (and I still say it's bugged up to its back teeth!) kills my immersion.

Rammjaeger
10-11-2007, 09:06 AM
Strange plane. It was obviously designed to be an air superiority fighter but it was apparently way too underpowered for that role. As a bomber interceptor it is sufficient though.

DKoor
10-13-2007, 07:36 AM
Its quite amusing to fly LaGG-3s66......being faster than Bf-109G2 at lower alts it presents itself as a truly worthy opponent to Germans.
And UB+ShVAK combo is more than enough to take out everything including bombers.
Also that fighter has slats installed, which should give it some extra boost in low speed maneuverability.
All in all, I'd say a very good fighter.

msalama
10-13-2007, 10:31 AM
...but its DM is still extremely http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif after all has been said and done methinks. I tried that test of me flying a LaGG-3 S4 against 4 AI He-111s today, and nah, those buggers just didn't get the a** of me down even after I'd hung on their sixes for ages already! Hits aplenty, yes; damage, nada...

DKoor
10-13-2007, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by msalama:
...but its DM is still extremely http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif after all has been said and done methinks. I tried that test of me flying a LaGG-3 S4 against 4 AI He-111s today, and nah, those buggers just didn't get the a** of me down even after I'd hung on their sixes for ages already! Hits aplenty, yes; damage, nada... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Rear 7,62?

Laughable.

They can't do a serious damage to your LaGG unless you are unlucky to receive a PK.

Hilarity!

Those machines aren't just good interceptors in IL-2, they are as close to ideal Eastern Front interceptor as they can be.

Of course when faced with the MG151/20 love, they all fell for it.

BfHeFwMe
10-13-2007, 05:18 PM
No need to complain about the damage model, its certainly not any worse than the FW series. There's several planes that fall into this category.

It's very, very hard for a biff'r to get away if you can jump him with a superior energy advantage. You can stick with them very well keeping energy with Lagg and lead pursuit.

I like to fly a pattern mimicking the 109's up over their base, approach it from about 5-7,000 meters, usually no one else will be up there on a Russian Map anyway.

Than fly simply to keep out of ID range, and gain position, let your victims come to you one at a time. If more than one, turn while they are still distant, they will lose interest thinking your an outbound biffy.

Biffers always assume they have the advantage and will come in to check you out quite low compared to your very high altitude. Hit and run, don't lose the E advantage. If you do get in trouble, work to get in a blind spot, than straight for the deck and merge as one with the weeds. It's very hard to see the Laggs paint job down there.

Of course this only works on closed pit servers. It's not a plane you want to casually roll into a furball with. Cross it with a Fw and 109 at low level fights and you'll be OK. Slash in, maneuver, shoot, and get out on the deck. Don't lose the E, don't look back, except to see if anything latched on.

Team tactics this bird can really kick some @zz. Great firepower.

BillyTheKid_22
10-14-2007, 09:05 AM
http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/VVS1/LAGG3-6s.jpg



LaGG 3!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Blood_Splat
10-14-2007, 12:26 PM
I think if I was flying the Lagg 3 during WWII and a 109 was on my six I would have just bailed out LMAO.

sdcruz
10-14-2007, 05:11 PM
Hi all

What do you guys make of the following sentence from the link provided:

"On the main flight performances LaGG-3 conceded Messerchmitt Bf-109E and Bf-109F."

The sentence comes verbatim from
http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/epg.pl?nav=ru30&page=la3

What does that sentence mean ?

DustyBarrels77
10-14-2007, 05:17 PM
I disagree with you and like the mig3 much more now.

I do miss the days of the lagg3 flying like the 109g2s sure it was unrealistic toning it down and not the g2 was a stupid move although was definatly overmodeled like many other ac still in game. I just miss the fact that either the lagg3 or 109g2 back in the day, It didnt matter what side you flew just there was some insanely close fights back in the coop leagues.

Friendly_flyer
10-15-2007, 05:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/VVS1/LAGG3-6s.jpg
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's an intersting camo job!

Wurkeri
10-15-2007, 06:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
That's an intersting camo job! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The camo is quite normal for a LaGG-3; the shadow of the camouflage net is just present in the tail.

And I love my LaGG-3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img101.imagevenue.com/loc744/th_51104_lagg_122_744lo.jpg (http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=51104_lagg_122_744lo.jpg)

DKoor
10-15-2007, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blood_Splat:
I think if I was flying the Lagg 3 during WWII and a 109 was on my six I would have just bailed out LMAO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That is what some of them did in WW2.
Smart ones, that is.
Planes were, perhaps different.

Polyperhon
10-17-2007, 05:43 PM
I believe that the bad reputation of the LaGG-3 comes out from the first series (series 4 in the sim).It was a very bad idea to put four fast firing guns behind the propeler.it required a very complex propeller-guns synchro mechanism that most likely it would had reduced a lot the rate of fire of these 4 guns (possibly up to 35% in some moments), moreover being time-consuming,expensive to produce, aerodynamically non-efficient and possibly the worst of all, moved the center of gravity too far on the front.The later versions corrected the problems but it seems that the fact that Yakovlev did it "right first time", in contrast with MiG and LaGG, played a big role in Stalin favoritism towards Yak products.Having said this,I have the curiosity to know how the LaGG-1 and MiG-1 were to fly.
In any case the LaGG-3 was not so bad.The fact that its production continued by the tilbisi factory in Georgia after the introduction of La-5 should say something.Gorbunov was the director of the tilbisi factory and it should be noted that while Lavochkin and Goudkov created their own M-82 versions based on the LaGG-3 (competing for the use of M-82 with MiGs I-210 and polikarpov's I-185) Gorbunov opted to improve the LaGG-3 instead redesigning the back fuselage and using a bubble canopy (different than the one used in the La-5,look the AEROPLANE magazine).At the end it was decided to substitute the LaGG-3 with the Yak-3 in production.

Wepps
10-17-2007, 05:50 PM
From Bergstrom's "Barbarossa":

"On 24 October, St. Lt. Gerasim Grigoryev of 178 IAP, claimed an He111. The 178 IAP was equipped with LaGG-3s, which by all accounts was not a very successful fighter. But Grigoryev had learned to handle the weaknesses of the LaGG-3. Realising that it was a 'slow climber', he utilized superior flight altitude to bounce and down one German aircraft after another."

I prefer the Wepps method - Land, and climb into a Yak lol.