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Cole1974
05-07-2005, 10:26 AM
Searched. Could not find any faq's on tricks-of-the-trade in dogfighting.

Problem: Can not turn faster than the enemy.

Techniques: drop speed, combat flaps| raise speed, combat flaps| drop and raise speed no flaps

Planes: I'd be head to head to the same type of plane.

Action: I stall or the enemy tags me when I'm in my turn.

Please send me a link to the "missed" topic on this or tell me what I need to do to become better at turning faster.

Thx

Cole1974
05-07-2005, 10:26 AM
Searched. Could not find any faq's on tricks-of-the-trade in dogfighting.

Problem: Can not turn faster than the enemy.

Techniques: drop speed, combat flaps| raise speed, combat flaps| drop and raise speed no flaps

Planes: I'd be head to head to the same type of plane.

Action: I stall or the enemy tags me when I'm in my turn.

Please send me a link to the "missed" topic on this or tell me what I need to do to become better at turning faster.

Thx

BuzzU
05-07-2005, 10:28 AM
What plane are you flying?

Bearcat99
05-07-2005, 10:54 AM
Hit the Essentials link in my sig... go to Tailslides, Tailspins,Sim HQ, Airwarfare,Eastern Skies or some of the community/squadron sites that are listed here (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/fansites.php) or here (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/squadrons.php). There are also other sites in the Essentials thread that have detailed ACM pages. (Air Combat Maneuvers).

JG7_Rall
05-07-2005, 11:19 AM
try not turning

Cole1974
05-07-2005, 11:31 AM
Thanks Rall ..you rock!

Cole1974
05-07-2005, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
What plane are you flying? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't really matter. I coould be flying a zero and up against another zero and I still stall a bit trying to turn. The enemy still gets his nose on my tail faster.

I'll check out those links boys thanks.

BuzzU
05-07-2005, 12:32 PM
It does matter. If you're trying to turn fight the wrong plane it will be worse for you.

I recommend you learn E-fighting, and give up the turn stuff.

LStarosta
05-07-2005, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cole1974:
Thanks Rall ..you rock! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

His name is Prefontaine. Get it right next time.

JG7_Rall
05-07-2005, 12:45 PM
Thanks for the backup, G

I sense some sarcasm in your comment. I might sound like I'm being too general; that's because I am. If you're interested in learning combat and understanding it then you should read whatever you can find online. If you are really looking to improve your skills, buy Fighter Combat by Robert Shaw...it's pretty dry, but a great resource. The more and more you learn, the more and more you'll understand that aerial combat isn't simply just out turning a foe, but rather involves creating energy advantages and then exploiting them. Good luck, and stick with it.

Finkeren
05-07-2005, 01:29 PM
You don't really need to be behind your enemy, just above him. Manage speed and altitude wisely, and choose a AC with a powerful engine to start with.
Else I suggest you read Bearcat's link, it's pretty good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jumoschwanz
05-07-2005, 08:55 PM
When the La5fn was about the hottest plane in the game, in the original IL2 and in the early Forgotten Battles, and I was on a steep learning curve, I one day had a revelation.

As now I flew the 109s, usually the F4 or g6A/s. I used to chase the la5 around and around in circles until my engine would overheat or I would stall out, and then I would either be in trouble or the La would get away.

It took a long time to get through my thick head that no matter how good I became at nursing a 109 on the edge of a stalling turn I would never win the game against the more agile la5. Finally one day dummy(me) thought to try something new!
While my plane was still fresh, after only one or two go arounds with the La5, I suddenly straightened the plane out and looped it straight back and over. The La5 pilot suddenly had to think!, which threw a wrench into his monkey-works. The slower speed of my plane allowing it to turn tighter and the resulting sudden alt advantage, let me get the guns on the surprised La5, a few hits took the wind out of it's performance and put me on equal or better footing.
The La pilot, who was used to having his way with dummy me, even remarked over the chat bar, "You learned some new tricks". I swelled up with pride of a job well done, for a change.

Now a days it is the same. Now I end up on the tail of Spits which often use the ploy of a constant flat turn, waiting for their pursuer to find out the hard way he cannot stay with them. And of course I don't play. I will do a low or high yo-yo type of manuever to get a shot of some kind, as the 109 seems better at going up and down than around and around.

That is I will straighten out and loop the plane back, or dive down and come up across the circle the foe is tracing with this path and meet him at anywhere from 90 degrees to head-on depending on his countermove. Maybe I can get a shot in, or force us into a scissors.

And of course if you find yourself having to pull stunts like this to get out of trouble you screwed up anyway, as you should not be in this situation in the first place right? Unless of course you are having a blast mixing it up in close quarters(it can be lots of fun even when you lose the contest)then by all means **** the stats, full speed ahead!

Eventually even most careful zoom and boom artists end up in bad situations, and then having a bag of tricks at hand and knowing how to throw your plane around at slow speed can be just what the doctor ordered.

I enjoy the high altitude hunt for dots to shoot at, but it is fun to break this up by supporting ground attackers or attacking ground targets yourself, and mixing it up at low alt in a satisfying match of low speed or low altitude wits and skill. The best way to learn anything is to keep it fun. S!
Jumoscwhanz

Hydra444
05-07-2005, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
It does matter. If you're trying to turn fight the wrong plane it will be worse for you.

I recommend you learn E-fighting, and give up the turn stuff. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bad advice.A good fighter pilot should know all forms of aerial dogfighting in regards to this sim.That being said though,you could always do what I see most pilots do...Run away.LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I suggest you take the plane your flyin out on a date.Get to know her,talk to her,LISTEN TO HER!This will allow your relationship to flourish! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BuzzU
05-07-2005, 10:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hydra444:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
It does matter. If you're trying to turn fight the wrong plane it will be worse for you.

I recommend you learn E-fighting, and give up the turn stuff. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bad advice.A good fighter pilot should know all forms of aerial dogfighting in regards to this sim.That being said though,you could always do what I see most pilots do...Run away.LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I suggest you take the plane your flyin out on a date.Get to know her,talk to her,LISTEN TO HER!This will allow your relationship to flourish! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bad advice? What if he's trying to turn fight a P-47?

Hydra444
05-07-2005, 10:06 PM
No you misunderstand me.If he wants to be a good pilot,he will want to be familiar with all forms of aerial combat.Did I say anything about turning a Jug?Uh,no I didn't.

And yes,bad advice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Hehehe

BuzzU
05-07-2005, 10:11 PM
Anybody can turn in circles. It doesn't take much time to learn it.

I think you give bad advice.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Hydra444
05-07-2005, 11:00 PM
Well...You seem to not like having your advice crtisized.No biggie.I just think that you gave bad advice IMHO.So there.And it makes no difference what you say about my advice,cause I don't care.Like I said before,your advice was bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BuzzU
05-07-2005, 11:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hydra444:
Well...You seem to not like having your advice crtisized.No biggie.I just think that you gave bad advice IMHO.So there.And it makes no difference what you say about my advice,cause I don't care.Like I said before,your advice was bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your advice about my advice is bad.

So there.

JamesBlonde888
05-08-2005, 06:28 AM
Looks like this thread is turning into a low slow turning match... lol