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shoman24v
05-15-2005, 10:09 AM
Hi, is it possible to use the mouse instead of going out and buying a joystick to play PF?

If so, how do I set up the mouse to fly the plane?

shoman24v
05-15-2005, 10:09 AM
Hi, is it possible to use the mouse instead of going out and buying a joystick to play PF?

If so, how do I set up the mouse to fly the plane?

LuckyBoy1
05-15-2005, 10:12 AM
Well, it's possible in the sense that you can clean a barn out with a toothbrush, but in the end it will be cheaper and faster to get the right tooling for the job.

dieg777
05-15-2005, 10:22 AM
luckyboys right- you need a joystick ; one that has a throttle and twist grip for rudders is a good start- there are a lot of opinions on what is best but you should try some out to see what suits you then try and pick it up on e-bay if funds are low.

shoman24v
05-15-2005, 10:36 AM
What is a good cheap one that I can pick up on ebay?

LuckyBoy1
05-15-2005, 10:47 AM
Ok, to advise you, I need to get a feel for where your head is on serious flight sims. Are you already a fan?

If so, we'll go one route. If not, we go another and maybe it if you are a fan already.

Either way, skip ebay please.

shoman24v
05-15-2005, 11:35 AM
I like plane games, but im not hardcore by any means, I just want to be able to fly it and shoot.

TooCooL34
05-15-2005, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shoman24v:
I like plane games, but im not hardcore by any means, I just want to be able to fly it and shoot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>]
Purchasing a joystick is far from hardcore. Flying with stick is like buying keyboard to run your PC or.. whatever. Just go buy a stick or back off. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

3.JG51_BigBear
05-15-2005, 11:42 AM
I'd suggest a saitek cyborg evo. Its a decent stick and its cheap but forget ebay. I love buying stuff off of ebay but for something like a joystick you might as well buy new. Joysticks get a lot of use and abuse and don't go through a lot of exterior design changes so its hard to figure out how old a stick might be.

Fliegeroffizier
05-15-2005, 11:55 AM
I'd get one of these...DON'T bid more than $20. They originally sold in retail stores for $80.
Lots don't like Logitech, but mine has worked fine now for a couple of years...I even bought two extras as backup, just in case.

Logitech Wingman StrikeForce 3D(force feedback stick) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=74944&item=5196974710&rd=1)

LuckyBoy1
05-15-2005, 12:40 PM
I'd say get a new X-45 stick.

dieg777
05-15-2005, 01:25 PM
saitek or thrustmaster are good- logitek have had some reliability issues reported here before but some people like the feel of them so again I would suggest that you go to local store and try a few out to see what suits you-
Make your mind up wether you want to spend a little to see if you will like the game or decide you want to go and try to really get into it and spend a bit more. If you decide to get into it look at saitek x-45 and x-52 systems or even more expensive the ch products. Anything is only worth what you think, but most people here think of the auxilary equipement as important as a golfer would his clubs or a craftsman his tools- you generally will only get what you pay for and although the better gear is expensive it will be worth it in the long run

good luck with whatever you decide

shoman24v
05-15-2005, 02:04 PM
eeek 70 bucks for a joystick lol. I dunno. i'm going to have to justify this somehow..... The X45 looks nice...

Chuck_Older
05-15-2005, 03:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shoman24v:
eeek 70 bucks for a joystick lol. I dunno. i'm going to have to justify this somehow..... The X45 looks nice... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, this is an easy call

First of all, I'm not here to make fun of you, OK? Not my thing.

if you're playing this game, and you are already of the mindset that you just want to fart around...a few things to consider-

1) this is a type of game called a simulation. Some guys around here will cry and pule and say it's not. But screw them, it is a simulation, they are just jerks. A simulation attempts to mimic the actual function of something- airplane, automobile, engine dyno, whatever.

This is not a game you can just install, and then 'hop in' a plane and start playing. In simulations there is a thing called a 'learning curve'. that's a fancy way of saying you're going to have to learn some skills to play it well, or even at all. As you gain those skills, ypu will become better. but this isn't like memorising some moves on a gamepad. It will be hard to just take off. You're going to think there's things wrong with the sim all the time, because you are not familiar with how physics affects a propeller driven airplane, and won't know what to expect- and what not to expect.

Simulations are not casual gaming experiences. there's a lot of "cool" factor in them, but it's not going to be a thrill a second roller coaster ride. For example, in the Game Crimson Skies, you get up down, left right, choose weapon shoot...and you go about your business.

In a simulation, just going left, right, up, or down, will depend on how well you can make the aircraft do it

2) Imagine you're driving a car. you have the gas, brakes, and steering wheel. Would you give up the brakes? No. In an airplane, you have three primary control inputs- control stick (or a yoke), throttle, and rudder. Would you give any of those up? the answer is "No". All three are equally important, and each must be used smoothly and in concert to fly the plane

if you feel that the investment of time and effort is worthwhile, then have at it, have a great time, we are here to help

If you don't, then you are in for a world of frustration and most of the time you're going to be saying "this game sux" when the trouble actually lies with your inability to control the aircraft

To control the plane, something more than an 8 way joystick with a few fire buttons is needed

the X-45 is a very good stick and can help you to fly better. that doesn't mean you're going to be a terror in the skies in five minutes. All it means is that a stick and throttle set up like the X 45 can allow you to develop the skills you need to play the game

lastly, there's no things like cheat codes here- you can alter some difficulty settings, but that's about it

GuNzABlaZiN
05-15-2005, 03:17 PM
Mouse is used for looking around (unless you're a super nerd and you have VectorIR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ). You can fly with the keyboard keys but it makes you so useless that you might aswell spend $50 on a decent stick.

FoolTrottel
05-15-2005, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuNzABlaZiN:
Mouse is used for looking around (unless you're a super nerd and you have VectorIR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ). You can fly with the keyboard keys but it makes you so useless that you might aswell spend $50 on a decent stick. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Just look at my reply at your 'second mouse' thread... For the record, I haven't got the Vector version! (yet)

Bearcat99
05-15-2005, 05:19 PM
At the very least the mouse and keyboard will be an additional controller to the joystick. I recommend you go here (http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html) first to try to get a reconditioned X-45. If that fails the retail price isnt bad. Best Buy has them on sale for $58 after a $20 MIR.

Like Chuck said. This isnt a "game" in the traditional gaming sense. It has a learning curve, and truth be told if the casual gamer quick shootemup fix is what you want then this isn't for you. If you want something challenging, that will be rewarding for a long time, something that is so layered and scalable in it's features that it can hold your interest for years and something as simple as changing a few settings can almost give you a new product.. add in a pretty decent bunch of highly creative folks from all walks of life.... (see this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/114103926) and this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2101020713) thread) then you have come to the right place.

If you can't get a reconditioned X-45 then you might consider one of the Saitek Evos. They are decent enough starter sticks and you can use the mouse and keyboard as additional controllers untill you get hooked and want the full blown HOTAS (<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">H</span>ands <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">O</span>n <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">T</span>hrottle <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">A</span>nd <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">S</span>tick) hookup. The nice thing about the X-45 is that it is a HOTAS. Anyway... welcome aboard. Hit the Sturmovik Essentials link in my sig...... and the simple answer to your original question is yes.. you will need a joystick to get thew most out of this sim. Also.... buy the Forgotten Battles GOLD pack if you can find it. Then get Pacific Fighters.. but you better act fast... because they are becoming harder and harder to find (specifically FB 1.0.. the Aces pack is all over the place for @ $9... the Aces GOLD which is FB+The Aces expansion pack is getting scarce but still around if you look).

shoman24v
05-15-2005, 08:13 PM
Thank you for all your replies, I had no idea that this game was a real simulator, I think i'll go out and pick up the X-45 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chuck_Older
05-15-2005, 08:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shoman24v:
Thank you for all your replies, I had no idea that this game was a real simulator, I think i'll go out and pick up the X-45 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This game is NOT a simulator.

Make no mistake. Simulators are used to train personel on actual aircraft

While this simulation uses real-world principles to calculate it's physics, it is a type of game called a simulation, it is not a simulator. A simulator is used, amongst other things, to train real life airline pilots and military pilots to properly fly real aircraft. This simulation will make you respond to real world physics as much as a home PC can, and will make you react to those things in terms of it's physics model, but it will not teach you how to fly real-world aircraft

-HH-Quazi
05-15-2005, 11:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shoman24v:
Thank you for all your replies, I had no idea that this game was a real simulator, I think i'll go out and pick up the X-45 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just remember, be patient. When I first started to play, it took me many hours to learn to take off and get the gear and flaps in their up postion(s). The good thing with the X-45, you can map these functions to a button on the throttle, instead of trying to fumble with the keyboard commands and having to take your eyes off of the screen. It took me longer to learn to land. One of my first post on these forums was offering to pay someone to take the time to teach me. HEHEHE So just be patient with yourself. You will get it.

One thing is for sure m8, you have the best support group on the World Wide Web to answer any question(s) or give you the advise you need for you to actually become a great virtual WWII pilot. And there is no such thing as a stupid question, remember that. And don't be a stranger here in these forums. Participate. But don't wear your feelings on your sleeve because there are some m8's around here that are pretty abrasive and harsh. Just look past those m8's, and carry on.

Welcome to the madness and the best WWII flight simulation in the world.

shoman24v
05-15-2005, 11:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shoman24v:
Thank you for all your replies, I had no idea that this game was a real simulator, I think i'll go out and pick up the X-45 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This game is NOT a simulator.

Make no mistake. Simulators are used to train personel on actual aircraft

While this simulation uses real-world principles to calculate it's physics, it is a type of game called a simulation, it is not a simulator. A simulator is used, amongst other things, to train real life airline pilots and military pilots to properly fly real aircraft. This simulation will make you respond to real world physics as much as a home PC can, and will make you react to those things in terms of it's physics model, but it will not teach you how to fly real-world aircraft </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I said real simulator I didn't mean something you train on, it was directed as not your usual run and gun game.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

major_setback
05-16-2005, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shoman24v:
eeek 70 bucks for a joystick lol. I dunno. i'm going to have to justify this somehow..... The X45 looks nice... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you're on a tight budget then you might take a look at the Saitek ST90. It only costs 14 pounds (less than 28 dollars). It doesnt have a hat switch, but at least it's portable (the legs fold in). You can always use the mouse for viewing!

http://www.rcsimulations.com/switch.htm

Even better...I just found this:

Also on the budget list...Logitech's The Extreme 3D pro (with twist handle for rudder); this has USB connection, 11 buttons!!! and a hat-switch. list price is 30 dollars.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/productlist/US/EN,CRID=2214,CONTENTID=9709