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razo42
07-30-2004, 07:37 AM
http://www.dabs.com/uk/Search2/Product+Details.htm?quicklinx=362Q&familyid=0

WTF?

razo42
07-30-2004, 07:37 AM
http://www.dabs.com/uk/Search2/Product+Details.htm?quicklinx=362Q&familyid=0

WTF?

steiner562
07-30-2004, 07:44 AM
Those that price seem rather low to anyone else? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Arm_slinger
07-30-2004, 08:18 AM
Now i DEFFINATELY want one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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MB_Lerxster
07-30-2004, 08:19 AM
WTF?

Ordered it at that price lol!

Arm_slinger
07-30-2004, 08:21 AM
when is it due out???? I WANT I WANT I WANT http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


ahh i see- september/october
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razo42
07-30-2004, 08:22 AM
"Product Availability - September/October '04"

oisink
07-30-2004, 08:23 AM
and I've just ordered a x45, this always happens to me lol

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razo42
07-30-2004, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oisink:
and I've just ordered a x45, this always happens to me lol

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least you won't have to wait till October...

ELEM
07-30-2004, 08:28 AM
I dont want it. No FFB.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-30-2004, 09:00 AM
I was glad to see they had done something with that odd rudder control lever. The price looks too good to be true. That's almost the same price as the X45. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/354.gif

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Cragger
07-30-2004, 09:08 AM
Twist stick = Piece of ****

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Yellonet
07-30-2004, 09:55 AM
Since when is ‚£76 low price http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


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DarthBane_
07-30-2004, 09:56 AM
A peace of **** with twist! x45 missed only FFB

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07-30-2004, 10:11 AM
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Arm_slinger
07-30-2004, 10:16 AM
Thats your opinion Darth, a few of us happen to like it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Jetbuff
07-30-2004, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Thats your opinion Darth, a few of us happen to like it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A "few" is right. According to a poll I started when the X-52 announced, some 60% of users were dead-set against the twist-stick, 20% hated both and 20% wanted a twist-stick. Looks like bad research on Saitek's part based on the vocal cries of a "few".

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TX-EcoDragon
07-30-2004, 12:48 PM
A locking mechanism would be nice. . . I figure most HOTAS users have pedals anyway, but I may be wrong.

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BlakJakOfSpades
07-30-2004, 01:15 PM
looks like a beauty, i dont see whats wrong with twist stick. not realistic or what? wonder what that mfd does....sounds pretty kool. if only it was ffb, alas a stick can only have so many good things, plus itd bump up the price i bet. well thanks for the info razo, might get this one.

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BM357_TinMan
07-30-2004, 01:17 PM
I like the rocker myself, I have the axis programmed as two buttons. This gives me two more buttons.

The profiler is just about second to none - just wish there was a way to tie it into whatever game I'm playing so that it would automaticly activate the correct profile...(x-Plane, CFS3, IL2FB, FS2k4 etc.)

45 missed:
- FFB (probably not all that necessary anyway not even sure I'd want it to be honest)
- Needed the spring return tweaked a little (make the angle steeper or something so that it wouldn't tend to "stick" like it does sometimes)
- Fix the drivers so that all axis' could be reversed and rename the rotary axis so that it wouldn't confict with another game that shall remane nameless
- Fix the mouse so that it was scalable like CHProducts throttle mouse
- The base could be bigger? or heavier? to help keep it stable, however, if you don't mind velco on your desk, this works awesome to keep it in place.

If Saitek would have just fixed THOSE problems instead of waisting a bunch of time trying to make the dumb thing look like it was out of buck rogers, they would have had an awesome stick.

Twist or rocker, either way, I love my 45 and really wish that saitek would have improved on the good stick that they already had....

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FW-Raptor
07-30-2004, 01:27 PM
Does teh saitek x52 have a rudder control?

eXtra_Corrosiv
07-30-2004, 01:49 PM
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THE_Bu11dog
07-30-2004, 03:12 PM
that's $139.00 (or there abouts). It isn't that inexpensive. At least to me, who has to work for a living.

Jetbuff
07-30-2004, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlakJakOfSpades:
looks like a beauty, i dont see whats wrong with twist stick. not realistic or what?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The problems with a twist-stick are two-fold:

- It's easy to produce unintended yaw while banking or pitching.
- It, usually, means that the stick is less robust and more likely to fall apart sooner.

The rocker on the other hand, is easily accessible, will only be activated through deliberate input and in no way affects the quality of the build of the joystick.

I personally would like to buy the X-52 for the two-stage trigger and more robust recentering mechanism. However, if there is no optional rocker, or the twist action can't be locked, I simply won't consider it.

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
07-30-2004, 04:53 PM
Would be nice to have a rudder lock, at the angle I have to fly I would always give unintended rudder inputs, X52 IS the X45 but with just a new look an LCD display(waste of production) and twist rudder. Add FF to this baby and maybe the option to go from twist rudder(+ lock) and rocker rudder(via switch for those who prefer rocker over twist) and I might consider buying it.

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arcadeace
07-30-2004, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jetbuff:
A "few" is right. According to a poll I started when the X-52 announced, some 60% of users were dead-set against the twist-stick, 20% hated both and 20% wanted a twist-stick. Looks like bad research on Saitek's part based on the vocal cries of a "few".
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You know your poll is more likely the voice of a few. I no longer use twist also but who am I to claim Saitek hasn't done their research. After seeing almost every poll here I'll give the nod for theirs as more scientific http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Edit: I completely agree with a well placed rocker and stick-lock option.

Arm_slinger
07-30-2004, 05:40 PM
I thought the twiat stick did have a locking function? Anyway not that it matter i get on well with twist sticks, plus they save me money having not to fork out on pedals

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Spinnetti
07-30-2004, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steiner562:
Those that price seem rather low to anyone else? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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70 pounds is low!?? I don't think so...
Don't see what is truly better than the X45..
I would like it to be wireless!
Also, if you are going to spend that much money, why on earth would you want a twist stick? - You'ld aready have rudder pedals most likely...

Ah well, looks like I'll have to stick with the trusty X45...

El Turo
07-30-2004, 09:37 PM
The biggest sell for the X52 in my estimation is that it has a stronger re-centering contruction and the basic materials it is built with are of much better quality.

That being said, without a lockable twist option (is that really not an option?), I'm not going to bother. The rocker-rudder on the X45 was for **** and I don't expect this one to be any better.

I have the CH Pro Pedals and don't think I could ever go back to twist or the P.O.S. rocker.

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Bearcat99
07-30-2004, 09:48 PM
I like the X45 with the rocker. I use the rocker as flaps myself. Foir FFB I have a MSFFB. Best combo in the world. Throw in some rudder pedals and TIR and you have immersion....

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steiner562
07-30-2004, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spinnetti:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steiner562:
Those that price seem rather low to anyone else? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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70 pounds is low!?? I don't think so...
Don't see what is truly better than the X45..
I would like it to be wireless!
Also, if you are going to spend that much money, why on earth would you want a twist stick? - You'ld aready have rudder pedals most likely...

Ah well, looks like I'll have to stick with the trusty X45...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure its expensive,its just that I have seen the x45 retailing for 75pounds in some outlets,I was expecting the x52 being a new product to be alot more expensive,I guess the x45 will drop in price now which can only be a good thing.

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GAU-8
07-31-2004, 12:21 AM
IMH, saitek should have kept the rocker, and incorporated a lockable twist. one HOTAS can never have to many axi, or buttons.

raised a questionable eyebrow " now with metal parts"..OK...so far, its the trigger, and pinkie trigger that are metal..pffffft. why not make the internal structure/load bearing areas metal. that would be nice. i have NEVER seen a broken plastic trigger.....but i have had several load bearing/actuated areas around the trigger break (SAITEK)

i dont see a good use for a two stage trigger as well. please enlighten me.if i am correct, that means two acctions will happen at once.... im very picky about my ammo count too. i never fire cannons and guns at the same time. too much ammo loss.... or if not that (lets say activate radar or sumpin) now you have to assign the guns somehwere else, less comfortable..

i personally dont believe they did thier homework to well.. will i get one..i dunno. i have gone trhu 3 X45s so far (now on my 4th thru cannibalisation of the previous 3).. each one crapping out for a different reason..only reason i keep buying them is because a ton of options for a cheap price... i should know better. but i tend to not care.

Aaron_GT
07-31-2004, 01:31 AM
Locking function or not, surely you can choose not to assign the rudder inputs to the stick twist and avoid the issue altogether? It's a shame there isn't much else you can assign to the twist, though. I've tried assigning braking functions of various sorts on various sims to the twist on my stick before (rudder via non pro CH pedals - no toe brakes) but it hasn't been entirely successful.

Off topic - I understand there is a mod for the non pro pedals to activate the toe brakes, although I am not sure how I would then get the pedals to be recognised. (Currently they are attached to the gameport, with a spare analogue stick to get them to he recognised, main stick is via USB). What I mean to do some day is build some CEM controls for the 3 axes and 4 buttons on that controller, apart from the concern that it wouldn't be recognised as a stick.

Jetbuff
07-31-2004, 12:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by arcadeace:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You know your poll is more likely the voice of a few. I no longer use twist also but who am I to claim Saitek hasn't done their research. After seeing almost every poll here I'll give the nod for theirs as more scientific http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Edit: I completely agree with a well placed rocker and stick-lock option.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're mistaken. Saitek's decision appears to have been driven by forum-browsing where only the discontent speak. This from their own forums Just browse through ORR and tell me that you come away thinking IL2:FB is the best thing to ever happen to WWII simming? See what I mean?

My poll here was directed to reveal the silent majority who were content, and they did speak up.

That said, I have no issues with a lockable twist stick, but to force a loose stick on us is **** and, I suspect, quite a significant number of lost sales.

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Maj_Death
07-31-2004, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAU-8:
i dont see a good use for a two stage trigger as well. please enlighten me.if i am correct, that means two acctions will happen at once.... im very picky about my ammo count too. i never fire cannons and guns at the same time. too much ammo loss.... or if not that (lets say activate radar or sumpin) now you have to assign the guns somehwere else, less comfortable..
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are 3 main types of triggers: single stage, hair and 2-stage. A single stage is what most low to mid grade firearms have. They require up to 1/2cm pull or more. A hair trigger requires only a very short pull so it is more like a click. This is what most joysticks have and some low end target rifles. A 2-stage trigger has two pull wieghts in successive stages, hence the name two stage trigger. The first stage just takes up some slack, it is generally very light. The second stage is what actually makes it fire. It is slightly heavier than the first stage and like a hair trigger it requires only a click. 2 stage triggers are most often found on mid to high end target rifles. To my knowlage the X-52 will be the first joystick to incorperate this trigger design.

In short, a two stage trigger just has a very different feel to it than a regular joystick trigger. It is much more crisp and most people prefer them. They are expensive to make though.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-31-2004, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW-Raptor:
Does teh saitek x52 have a rudder control?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you mean the twist stick? if so yes the twist is to be used for rudder control

im gonna buy this one for sure ,i have the X45 but i hate the stick itself so i use only the throttle
together with a MS SW2 precision pro

i gotta http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif that new twist function
i mean how can anyone be against it?
so guys like to spend more money for
like CH pro USB pedals for about $99 ? lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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Jetbuff
07-31-2004, 09:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Sunburst:
i gotta http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif that new twist function
i mean how can anyone be against it?
so guys like to spend more money for
like CH pro USB pedals for about $99 ? lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, the reverse is true, a twist-stick will force me to buy a CH-Pro pedals set. I like the rudder rocker on the X-45 just fine.

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Dammerung
07-31-2004, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eXtra_Corrosiv:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/zeikfriedsbonimages/captobvious.jpg

YES, THE X52 HAS A TWIST HANDLE RUDER CONTROL

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Platypus_1.JaVA
08-01-2004, 04:34 AM
What bothers me the most is that I can't find the X52 on the saitek site...

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Arm_slinger
08-01-2004, 08:24 AM
Its in the press release section. Hopefully what with it appearing on retail sites, it will appear in the main body of the Saitek site soon

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zombie-9
08-01-2004, 12:17 PM
I'm game for the twister sticker http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. As much as i would love CH pedals i thought you had to have CH stick for them to work properly?

Arm_slinger
08-01-2004, 12:28 PM
Plus i'd rather pay 75 quid for something that has everything i need on it namely the twist grip, which means i save 120 quid by not having to buy pedals if i had the X45

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Jetbuff
08-01-2004, 12:37 PM
Well the rudder rocker constitutes all that I need in terms of rudder control while the twist stick does not. Different strokes...

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RocketDog
08-01-2004, 12:56 PM
I bought an X-45 and just couldn't get the hang of the horrid little rocker rudder switch - a terrible design decision by Saitek. I ended up having to buy rudder pedals so the total cost must have been near ‚£ 200.

So I'm glad to see the new stick twists, but I'd also like to know if it has smoother motion than the X-45. The "stickiness" of the X-45 stick meant I have ended up using just the throttle part, pedals and a Sidewinder Precision Pro 2 stick.

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Arm_slinger
08-01-2004, 02:05 PM
I couldn't get my fingers round it well due to having a slightly larger hand than Saitek had in mind.

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DarthBane_
08-01-2004, 02:15 PM
I liked roker on x45 from beggining, but seems that others doesnt, twist is totaly unexeptable for realistic feel, its more like making a yoke on pilots real stick if that is the direction than lets play with mouse, it is way more precise than any joystick. I was hoping to have FFB on new saitek. Pitty.