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crazyivan1970
07-16-2004, 12:20 PM
Is it just my impression or... Lately i don`t see much of eastern front in HL... Hordes of ponies and spitfires vs late LW birds. I haven`t seen good ole Sturmo for ages... I guess it`s time to bring VFC Dedicated back up for some early/mid war action over mother russia.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Tonight we run some COOPs, but tomorrow i`ll fire up dedicated...

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crazyivan1970
07-16-2004, 12:20 PM
Is it just my impression or... Lately i don`t see much of eastern front in HL... Hordes of ponies and spitfires vs late LW birds. I haven`t seen good ole Sturmo for ages... I guess it`s time to bring VFC Dedicated back up for some early/mid war action over mother russia.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Tonight we run some COOPs, but tomorrow i`ll fire up dedicated...

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07-16-2004, 12:25 PM
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Timex62
07-16-2004, 12:30 PM
I'd love to join you but my rig is so low end I don't even try online. One day....

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jugent
07-16-2004, 12:45 PM
Just sportmanship. Its more fun to play chess when both sides has the same number of queens.

Then you can say that it up to the player but you must be a h..l of lot better player to beat someone that got three queens on the table when you have only one.

steiner562
07-16-2004, 12:50 PM
F16 server usually has russian missons to fly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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JG52Uther
07-16-2004, 12:52 PM
Thats my impression too.the game online seems to have moved away from the Ost front. shame http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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faustnik
07-16-2004, 12:54 PM
We were just fighting IL-2s near Prokhorovka last night. Jeez, those things are tough!

The Ostfront is alive and kicking Ivan, there is just a lot of ETO, PTO and silly servers out there too.

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p1ngu666
07-16-2004, 01:05 PM
i MIGHT be vaguly awake for those coops http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

coops is natural place for il2's anyways

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diabloblanco1
07-16-2004, 01:06 PM
Oleg was smart enough to make Western front options and those are just more poular right now. Afterall, the eastern front has now been covered and some are now moving to the more familar region.

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carguy_
07-16-2004, 01:26 PM
Heheheh a politically correct message version of Stirgl`s(whatever) post.He whined that LW now fights only RAF and USAAF and EF has been killed.
In DF it certainly is so.

Online wars such as VEF and BW give the OPORTUNITY to still fly against Russians.It was easier,I won`t lie here,but Western Front invasion has always been guaranteed.

That`s why "IL2 Sturmovik" will always be special for me.

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[This message was edited by carguy_ on Fri July 16 2004 at 12:37 PM.]

Amanda_Hugnkiss
07-16-2004, 01:29 PM
The Eastern Front battles will begin two weeks after the patch comes out. So I guess that means there will be no more Eastern Front battles.

LilHorse
07-16-2004, 01:33 PM
Yeah, I think it has gone a little too far over into Western front action. I preferred the Eastern front stuff. Not that I don't like the Western, but we've all been there and done that.

BlackShrike
07-16-2004, 01:53 PM
almost everyone prefers western front pacific and med. not many interested in east front. thats just the way it is and has always been. there was some interest when it was new but that has worn off. most are interested other fronts.i feel the same.

one thing i would like to see though is russian planes in WARCLOUDS.

mortoma
07-16-2004, 02:11 PM
I don't play online but I bet the problem stems from the fact that mid to late war sorties between American aircraft German ones is a much more balanced playing field. In that neither the best Yank planes nor the best German planes turn very well or are only moderate turners at best. The Russian planes turning so much better than anything else no doubt made some people feel the playing field was one-sided. Especially in light of the fact that most newer flyers ( noobs ) and moderately skilled player would rather mindlessly TnB, and don't want to learn more difficult and complex tactics such as BnZ/energy fighting. If you are TnB'ing with planes that don't TnB any better than yours, it comes down to more pilot skill than it does when Uber bat-turning birds like the Russian stuff are against the Jerries. I think that appeals to more people. After all, who needs much skill when they are flying a La-7, I-153, I-16 or Yak-3????????? Case dismissed...........

[This message was edited by mortoma on Fri July 16 2004 at 01:23 PM.]

mortoma
07-16-2004, 02:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackShrike:
almost everyone prefers western front pacific and med. not many interested in east front. thats just the way it is and has always been. there was some interest when it was new but that has worn off. most are interested other fronts.i feel the same.

one thing i would like to see though is russian planes in WARCLOUDS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There was interest in eastern front when IL2 was new only because we who liked IL2 didn't have much choice. Did we?? There were no P-51s, Jugs or Lightnings back then, nor any western maps more importantly. It was Ruskies against Germans and you liked it or didn't play the game, it was that simple. So it's not that any of us were "interested" in the eastern front, it was all there was, period.

BS87
07-16-2004, 02:16 PM
Tonight we need to have TB3 Wars ivan. Or maybe TB3 vs He111.

carguy_
07-16-2004, 02:17 PM
Skills?Tastes?PFFFT!

It`s the market.The West has money,the West dictates.

Case dismissed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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x6BL_Brando
07-16-2004, 02:17 PM
I regularly host Eastern Front coops between 10 & 2 (UK time) most evenings in Hyperlobby. IL2 ground attacks are still very popular http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

georgeo76
07-16-2004, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I guess it`s time to bring VFC Dedicated back up <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hell yea! I wish you would run Host every day.

For those who don‚'t know. VFC*Host is a clean lag-free server w/o any of that FBD/Stat nonsense. Ivan wrote the book on online map design. The map, ground objects, # of players, and plane set are chosen w/ smooth play in mind. Add to that, streamlined and realistic plane-set w/ tight realism settings, and you‚'ve got the best server on HL.

RedDeth
07-16-2004, 03:13 PM
carguy that doesnt explain why everyone flys west planes and maps etc. i think just about anyone can afford a 20 buck game also. so the whole west thing being rich thus they rule the world theory is bogus.p.s.theres just as many russians and eastern europeans as americans

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WOLFMondo
07-16-2004, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
Skills?Tastes?PFFFT!

It`s the market.The West has money,the West dictates.

Case dismissed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Theres allot of people who want to fly the USAAF and RAF planes in the excellent game. What is wrong with that? I've been waiting for the Spitfire since I first got IL2. And to be honest Im getting tired of flying just Russian A/C. To much of a good thing can turn into a bad thinghttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. And being British I like to fly the flag and pilot a Spit.

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PBNA-Boosher
07-16-2004, 03:49 PM
Hasn't been forgotten by me. Long live the Female Regiments of the VVS!

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-16-2004, 04:13 PM
greatergreen has recently updated its mapcycle to include much more of the Eastern front planes and historical match-ups. Some of the mid-war maps are very compelling and edge-of-your-seat fun.

If you haven't been there lately, stop by and give it a look. The minimap path has been turned off and some people just don't want the hassles of trying to navigate, but if you just give it a try you'll see it's not too tough and can be very rewarding.

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Bearcat99
07-16-2004, 04:17 PM
Hey Ivan whether or not the Eastern ffront survives in this sim is entirely up to the community. If those who keep it going continue to do that it will last. Right now we are on a Med kick... mostly Med missions in our coops and mostly ground attack... based on what the 99th did in the Med... thats one osf the many things I love about this sim. There is something here for everybody. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2004, 04:36 PM
I told you all it would happen the second Oleg caved into the western hordes.

Bad enough to have so many D-Day maps polluting the server, but it's really annoying to have maps set in Russia where you can't find a single LaGG, Yak or La flying.

They've sacrificed all the East Front character trying to lure people who would buy the sim anyway just on word-of-mouth. So much for sticking to one's guns.

crazyivan1970
07-16-2004, 04:39 PM
Oh come on Stigler, no need to go into extremes ya know. As Bearcat said, There is something for everyone. And since i can`t find my ps of the pie, might as well bake one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW you are more then welcome to my server, we got lots to talk about http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

JG52_wunsch
07-16-2004, 04:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackShrike:
almost everyone prefers western front pacific and med. not many interested in east front. thats just the way it is and has always been. there was some interest when it was new but that has worn off. most are interested other fronts.i feel the same.

one thing i would like to see though is russian planes in WARCLOUDS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There was interest in eastern front when IL2 was new only because we who liked IL2 didn't have much choice. Did we?? There were no P-51s, Jugs or Lightnings back then, nor any western maps more importantly. It was Ruskies against Germans and you liked it or didn't play the game, it was that simple. So it's not that any of us were "interested" in the eastern front, it was all there was, period.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


speak for your self,i bought the game because it was an ost front game.i won t be buying pf,because i have no interest in yank or japanese planes.cheers.

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faustnik
07-16-2004, 05:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
I told you all it would happen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, you were right.

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LimaZulu
07-16-2004, 05:07 PM
I like variety and some of the new stuff was (is) fun to play with. However, all other things being equal I would probably prefer early to mid war eastern front plane sets over anything else in the game.

All other things are not equal though, my favorite online server at the moment is WC44+ due to 1) extensive use of TS by other players allows for better teamwork. 2) Deathkick DOES put something at stake, even if its only a 5 minute timeout. 3) The server is relatively lag free. 4) It is scripted with maps that put one side as defensive, the other offensive with plently of mudmoving. 5) Direct IP connecting is soooo much better.

I will give up favorite plane match ups for a server with my favorite preferences any day.

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VW-IceFire
07-16-2004, 06:37 PM
I'm making a Eastern Front single mission pack now after having released USAAF and RAF mission packs on Netwings. Gotta learn some more of the history to make it work a little better.

VFC COOP can run some more Eastern Front too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I probably won't be able to come tonight...but oh well.

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acklington
07-16-2004, 06:50 PM
I don't often post on this forum but one of my points in my few posts has been the lack of RAF aircraft. This has been addressed to some exent in a sim that is really based on the Eastern Front. Has anybody before Il2 done the Eastern Front? There were some add on CFS2 campaigns that I have not tried but the depth of detail on the original Il-2 was way ahead of its only serious competitor the said CFS2. What is so good about Il2-FB is that it gives you so many options. Who would have thought of putting in a Winter War and Continuation War option into a commercial sim - any other sims include Romania?

Flying a flight of Spitfires or Mustangs over the Normandy coast early in the morning is something to behold and CFS2 and CFS3 have not done it better. The main problem with my PC is that when one gets to the stage of huge numbers of aircraft in the sky it gets very clunky. The difficulty with western campaigns is that for anything bigger than a fighter sweep and to be authentic you have to have huge numbers of aircraft and FB because of the detail level will not cope with it, and my PC will not hack it. Il-2 FB does the Russian Front, Normandy, the Ardennes and bits of the Pacific better than anybody so all in all not bad for Il2-FB really?

StG77_Fritz_X
07-16-2004, 07:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
I told you all it would happen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, you were right.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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wayno7777
07-16-2004, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Timex62:
I'd love to join you but my rig is so low end I don't even try online. One day....

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Is there any Spanish Civil War missions or campaigns out there?
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M.R.Maiornikov
07-16-2004, 09:22 PM
I'm for more russian missions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I liked il-2 original better cause it was russian based http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Korolov
07-16-2004, 09:40 PM
If the Yaks had some more ammo, maybe the east front would be more popular.

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LEXX_Luthor
07-16-2004, 09:58 PM
I'm with JG52_wunsch, I bought FB cos its Easter Front, and it was made by Russians and I already have a copy of Windows and Windows that takes care of all my "made here in usa" flight sim needs.

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FA_Maddog
07-16-2004, 11:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
I told you all it would happen the second Oleg caved into the western hordes.

Bad enough to have so many D-Day maps polluting the server, but it's really annoying to have maps set in Russia where you can't find a single LaGG, Yak or La flying.

They've sacrificed all the East Front character trying to lure people who would buy the sim anyway just on word-of-mouth. So much for sticking to one's guns.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe after PF comes out Stiglr, us "western hordes" can move over to it and not "pollute" the servers anymore. I hope so don't you?

LeadSpitter_
07-17-2004, 12:04 AM
seems like more fun for brits germans and americans where the fight seems closer matched then ruskie yaks who turn faster then 109g2 and roll like the 190 and take hits like the 190 and p47

Las migs and laggs arent bad to fight against when flying german, la7 is a biatch but the 109s can trottle back at higher speeds and the la7s cant which you can turn inside them for a good 108 cannon deflection shot.

Im sure the pe3 will get people to fly russian vs german more same with the ju88.

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Tully__
07-17-2004, 12:27 AM
I like any theatre. I've been flying quite a bit of western front stuff lately because there's a lot of it about, but I'm not choosing my servers based on plane set.

I have always and still always have a blast flying or escorting the IL2 mudmovers and will continue to do so given the oppurtunity http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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F19_Ob
07-17-2004, 02:43 AM
GG and F16 have an ok mix and often eastern front.
Sadly very little crapplane maps, and the beautiful desert map is used very sparingly.
many of the new planes arnt used at all not even if they were available at that time.
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Not ment as a complaint. The maps are well made and a great deal of work involved( THNX). I'm just up for some new things that now can be done.
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BennyMoore
07-17-2004, 02:59 AM
Yes, how dare us Ameriwhiners want to play a game that attempts to be realistic? We clearly should go play Microrgasm Combat Joke - I mean, Simulator. No, I never did want Vodka Vulching Society aircraft, I'd been wishing for more American, British, and German aircraft ever since downloading the IL-2 demo. In fact, the reason that I didn't buy IL-2 for the longest time was because it was Russian. The reports of realism got me interested, though.

So, why are there no Eastern front servers? Perhaps it has something to do with Russian fighters in the game either being able to outrun, outturn, outclimb, and outdive most other aircraft in the game, or having a hugely unrealistic physics flaw such as the oft-pointed out must-raise-nose-no-matter-what-the-energy-state thing with the Yak and, to a lesser extent, even the Lag.

Monson74
07-17-2004, 03:01 AM
Well I might host a "Battle of Kursk" tomorrow if anyone is interested - it will feature lots of '42 planes and of course the Sturmoviks will be included - you're all welcome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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TooCooL34
07-17-2004, 03:03 AM
Here comes BM.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif