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hughlb2
06-21-2004, 12:01 PM
What exactly is meant by "remotely controlled turrets"? and does this mean if it is flyable in PF we wont be able to man the turrets?

hughlb2
06-21-2004, 12:01 PM
What exactly is meant by "remotely controlled turrets"? and does this mean if it is flyable in PF we wont be able to man the turrets?

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-21-2004, 12:20 PM
The turrets in the B-29 were remotely controlled from a different station...and I doubt they'll be modeled in PF



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JJaguar
06-21-2004, 12:33 PM
Only the tail gun had a dedicated gunner. The other turrets were controlled remotely and IIRC any turret could be operated by any gunner, and multiple turrets could even be linked together and controlled by a single gunner. A pretty sophisticated system for the time.

Philipscdrw
06-21-2004, 05:38 PM
The gun turrets on the Millenium Falcon in Star Wars were based on the B-29 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

The gunners had a hemisperical (bowl-shaped) perspex window with a gunsight behind it. They set the range to the fighter, point the gunsight at it, fire, and the gunsight systems work out where to point the appropiate turret to hit the fighter. There were 4 remote turrets, and 3 or 4 gunners, who could set the turrets they controlled with switches on the sight, so if a gunner was unable to fight another gunner could take his guns in addition to his own. Quite a complex system http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . I think that it would require a lot of work to implement the gun turrets (except the tail guns) into FB.

Another point about the B-29 is that when they were introduced, microwave-range radar had developed to the point where it could be used for bombing. Cities and geographic features could be clearly seen on the radar scope, and many bombs were dropped this way. Including the 2nd nuclear bomb. The aircraft had to make several passes because it was cloudy and they were only meant to drop the bomb visually but they claimed that they found a break in the clouds, but probably they just used their radar.

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View Cpt. Eric Brown's review of FB here (http://www.aerosociety.com/raes/news/SimReview.pdf) and discuss it here. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=309109534&r=875101634#875101634)

WTE_Galway
06-21-2004, 06:00 PM
some brief stuff on the B29 from

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=175107184


The B-29 carried an AN/APQ-13 radar bombing/navigational aid set. This set was developed jointly by the Bell Telephone Laboratories and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Radiation Laboratory. It was manufactured by Western Electric, which was in those days the manufacturing arm of the Bell System. The radar antenna for this unit was housed inside a retractable 30-inch hemispherical radome located between the bomb bays and protruding below the fuselage a couple of feet when extended. Later in the war, the AN/APQ-7 Eagle radar unit was used. The Eagle antenna was mounted in a wing-shaped housing installed underneath the forward section of the fuselage. The unit was also devised by Bell Labs and MIT, and was manufactured by Western Electric.

Early combat experience indicated that the B-29 needed more protection against fighter attacks coming from the front. The forward dorsal turret armament was increased to four 0.50-inch machine guns on Boeing-Wichita production block 40. Bell-Atlanta introduced this innovation on Block 10, and all Martin-built B-29s had four guns in the top turret from the beginning.

The trajectory of the shells fired from the 20-mm cannon in the tail was completely different from that of the bullets from the 0.50-inch machine guns, which made aiming difficult in combat conditions. Consequently, the 20-mm cannon was deleted from the tail position beginning with Boeing-Wichita production block 55, Bell-Atlanta block 25 and Martin-Omaha block 25.

Lingering doubts of about the efficacy of the remotely-controlled armament system resulted in the completion of one B-29-25-BW (42-2444) with manned turrets. This plane featured two manned power-operated dorsal turrets and two manned ventral "ball" turrets, each with two 0.50-inch machine guns. There was a single 0.50-inch gun in each of two beam positions, and two additional 0.50 guns in a blister on each side of the fuselage nose. The remotely-controlled armament system of the standard B-29 proved to be adequate, and this unique armament scheme was not pursued any further.