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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 01:12 AM
Looks interesting - I was wondering if anyone has tried this stick out. Sadly my Logitech Freedom 2.4 is starting to go

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bail0ut

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 01:12 AM
Looks interesting - I was wondering if anyone has tried this stick out. Sadly my Logitech Freedom 2.4 is starting to go

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bail0ut

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:15 AM
I've got a Cyborg 3d thingy and the workings look fairly similar. Should be a nice stick....however...

The throttle positioning is total crap . They should dump this "suitable for left handers" facet of their design as they're messing up a good product with crappy ergonomics....which considering the product line is irony itself.

Left handers account for 87% of criminals, witches, lawyers and daytime television viewers. I hope Saitek realise who they are marketing their goods to.


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:14 AM
Lixmu, its hard to believe you're serious. I'm left-handed, like about 30% of the population, and I'm uncomfortable with all the right-handed models. If I had to I could get used to others, but my Cyborg 3d has made my experience much more enjoyable.

The throttle positioning works perfect. What are you suggesting, they should have kept it permanently fixed for right-hand users (you)? There are plenty of left-handed folks who have come to rely on Saitek...and Saitek knows it, they're not dummies. I bet a significant portion of their sales goes to left-handed users. And I bet they sit back and hope the other manufacturers don't make the change.

As far as your 87% criminal stats...even if you are not serious...what nonsense bullcrap!

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:12 PM
While I won't join the left handed debate...

thanks

bail0ut

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:44 PM
A friend has bought one recently. It's ok, but I prefer my X45.

The throttle is ok. May be is better ot have it at a side, but it's comfortable. No problem here.

The problem are the base buttons of the other side (right buttons if you are left-handed). They aren't easily accesible. You must use them for non "urgent" actions.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:00 PM
The Latin Word for "left" is also the Latin word for "Evil"

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09-29-2003, 04:21 PM
here you go you left handed heathens /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:25 PM
bail0ut wrote:
- Looks interesting - I was wondering if anyone has
- tried this stick out. Sadly my Logitech Freedom 2.4
- is starting to go
-

Guys, I just replaced my perfectly good Cyborg 3D Gold with Cyborg EVO.
First impressions:
1. The stick is very well made;
2. Throttle is very precise and easy to get used to and manipulate.
3. Trigger and thumb buttons are perfect!
4. Base could have been a little heavier.
5. Very easy to program all the macros.
6. Tension spring somewhat heavier then of 3dGold - takes time to get use to. Needed to adjust joystick settings.
7. Major gripe - not enough buttons on the base, but I am using CH Throttle - so not major problem for me.

I have experimented with many (including X45 and CH FlightStick) - and my opinion - both Cyborg 3D Gold and Cyborg EVO, both are better joystick for me.
I am definitely keeping the EVO as primary and 3DGold as backup.


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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:31 PM
Only a southpaw would call me Lixmu.


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 05:03 PM
Lixma....I'm hurt.

NO wait!...You effin troll!

Get your pitchforks and torch's...

TB
(self-appointed President of the unofficial "No high-end flight sim controllers for the left-handed community whiners" club.)



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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 05:29 PM
"Only a southpaw would call me Lixmu."

Lixmu, I'm a Saitek rep.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 05:33 PM
Lixma wrote:
- I've got a Cyborg 3d thingy and the workings look
- fairly similar. Should be a nice stick....however...
-
- The throttle positioning is total crap . They should
- dump this "suitable for left handers" facet of their
- design as they're messing up a good product with
- crappy ergonomics....which considering the product
- line is irony itself.
-
- Left handers account for 87% of criminals, witches,
- lawyers and daytime television viewers. I hope
- Saitek realise who they are marketing their goods
- to.
-
-
-
- Lixma,
-
- Blitzpig.
-

I`ll ban your arse from my server! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

On the of those 87% /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 05:42 PM
arcadeace wrote:
- "Only a southpaw would call me Lixmu."
-
- Lixmu, I'm a Saitek rep.
-


Then can you arrange a replacement for my X45 since after 1 1/4 years the joystick side has suddenly started sticking, it looks like the lube inside on the 4 pivot points seems to have failed making it a pain to use.

If you could mangage this, then it would change my opinion that Lefties are evil, unless by helping me it would aid the "Lefty world domination" agenda.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 08:27 PM
Arcadeace....if you are a Saitek rep then don't take a troll like mine seriously. I think it's only 84% of lefties who are evil anyway.

I know the Cyborg range are great sticks (i own one) but i think the throttle positioning on the Evo is awful. This is obviously to keep it suitable for normal, decent and God-fearing folk aswell as Lefties but why didn't they put the throttle at the front ? Still not ideal but at least it's where the hand naturally falls.

I won't be buying it because of this (no real skin off Saitek's nose i know) and it's a shame because the Cyborg has stood up to a lot more abuse than the 5 Wingmen i've destroyed over the past 6 months.


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 09:14 PM
Thanks Bogun,

I was wondering about the base buttons on the other side of the stick (for me that would be the left side). Are you able to designate any of the buttons as a SHIFT? If so I was thinking you could assign both to the left side and at least have three states for all of the thumb buttons and the hat switch (assuming the hat can be assigned to shift states)

bail0ut

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 01:37 AM
Lixma, the witches brew was bullcrap, I think my point was missed a bit.

There have been a number of good sticks I've wanted to use but I've really been limited to one manufacturer. The positioning of buttons, not only on the stick but the base as well does make a difference. I've never understood why the other manufacturers don't reverse the setup, it seems joysticks are unique in regard to sales approach and it doesn't make sense.

I was upset because you went out of your way to complain the ambidextrous arraignment was wrong. You were very specific the base switch was not done good enough for you because Saitek should not make it with left-handed people in mind.

Frankly, I haven't seen the Evo, and I didn't know they placed just one switch back in the middle. I was assuming it was similar to the Cyborg 3d. That's a good deal and that assumption probably set me off more .

Also, I'm not a Saitek rep, but don't compare us 84% with lawyers.

Steve

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 04:13 AM
bail0ut wrote:
- Thanks Bogun,
-
- I was wondering about the base buttons on the other
- side of the stick (for me that would be the left
- side). Are you able to designate any of the buttons
- as a SHIFT? If so I was thinking you could assign
- both to the left side and at least have three states
- for all of the thumb buttons and the hat switch
- (assuming the hat can be assigned to shift states)
-
- bail0ut
-
-

There are two "Shift" buttons - one on each side of the base, just like on old Cyborg3D Gold and they work exactly the same way - like a Shift key on the keyboard - activated only when pressed. The joystick does not stay in "Shift" state after you let go those buttons. When pressed they would allow you to assign any command or macro to any other button or hat switch position on a joystick (except the other "Shift" key in "Shift key" mode) so effectively you triple the amount of buttons on a joystick (minus two "Shift" buttons). Those two buttons could also work in usual "Command button" mode.
Programming macros is done same way as on 3D Gold and it is extremely easy.


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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 04:25 AM
Thanks again Bogun!

bail0ut

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 04:33 AM
bail0ut wrote:
- Looks interesting - I was wondering if anyone has
- tried this stick out. Sadly my Logitech Freedom 2.4
- is starting to go

I think you're just itching to buy something new. Some people buy expensive golf clubs to 'cure' their slice, bailout buys joysticks hoping the new one will help him shed the stigma of his well-deserved handle.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 12:54 PM
Shouldn't you be working malik?

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