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tim93au
09-27-2007, 04:49 PM
I know there both crud, but I'm not a hell serious gamer. I don't wanna spend alot.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joys...devices/302&cl=au,en (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joysticks/devices/302&cl=au,en)

or

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/st90.htm

tim93au
09-27-2007, 04:49 PM
I know there both crud, but I'm not a hell serious gamer. I don't wanna spend alot.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joys...devices/302&cl=au,en (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joysticks/devices/302&cl=au,en)

or

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/st90.htm

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-27-2007, 05:00 PM
Well, out of the two it's a no brainer, DO NOT get the logitech, they suck. I would try and get the Cyborg Evo at least though. I wish you uk guys had access to this page: http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html . The reconditioned items are really cheap and great quality.

Chris0382
09-27-2007, 05:00 PM
Logitech I hear lose calibration over a short time due to cheap pots. Ide get the other of your 2 picks for that reason.

Anti_Ship_Fella
09-27-2007, 05:03 PM
i have the logitech and i find it good will be better than st90

F19_Orheim
09-27-2007, 05:07 PM
logitechs are great..the first 2-3 months... then it quickly evolves into a POS

R_Target
09-27-2007, 05:12 PM
http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=19&PlatformID=5

3.JG51_BigBear
09-27-2007, 05:13 PM
I would go with a Saitek AV8R if I were you.

BaldieJr
09-27-2007, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">AV8R </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

agreed.

lots of bang for a little buck.

ImMoreBetter
09-27-2007, 06:42 PM
I've got the same logitech stick.

Worked great. More buttons than I ever used.

I've been playing for a few months, already I have a gigantic dead spot in the middle.


Get the Saitek.

Schwarz.13
09-27-2007, 06:42 PM
i bought a Cyborg Evo Force for playing this sim and tried to convince myself i liked it because i thought it was a wise purchase and i couldn't live without FFB.

However i decided eventually that it was an ugly, uncomfortable, overheating piece of ****e, and after reading a thread about how great the old Microsoft joysticks were, i remembered i had a pristine but dusty MS Sidewinder 2 Precision (unfortunately not FFB) amongst my PC junk - and what a difference!

Anyway i would say don't get the Cyborg Evo (Force feedback one anyway). If you live in the UK and are willing to pay postage you can have my Saitek, practically new and boxed, for next to nothing - just PM me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-27-2007, 07:09 PM
CH! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

VMF-214_Pappy
09-27-2007, 07:12 PM
Friends dont let friends buy Saitek, go CH if u can afford it u wont regret will last u for years.

HuninMunin
09-27-2007, 07:17 PM
Real friends would point out that the quality headspace that CH has over Saiteks upper product range is just not big enough to justify the pricetag, in my opinion.

Chris0382
09-27-2007, 07:44 PM
i SECOND THE ch GET A COMBAT STICK IF YOU DONT WANT A fIGHTERSTICK

You can do so much with those CH sticks. I actually use mine now to surf with (via Firefox keyboard shortcuts) and have profiles for lots of games.

Bearcat99
09-27-2007, 10:16 PM
Try here (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html) since you obviously dont want to spend a lot.. but stay away from the Logitecs. The make decent mikes, speakers, mice etc.. but their joysticks are terrible.

Stiletto-
09-28-2007, 12:20 AM
Got my Father the first Logitech joystick you linked to along with FS9 for his birthday a few years ago... He doesn't use it enough for me to see if it gets messed up, he uses my CH Virtual Pilot Yoke from 1994 more. I also had some Logi Wingman stick and I used it a bit at one point after my CH Yoke, but then I got an X52, so again, not an excessive amount of use to confirm how bad they hold up.

You can't say that their racing wheels suck though... The best "mass market" Steering Wheels you can buy. Would never part with my G25!

na85
09-28-2007, 01:12 AM
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, one step up from the one you linked to. I've had mine for almost 2 years now and it's still in great shape.

son-in-law
09-28-2007, 07:34 AM
na85 is a lucky man. I also had the Logitech extreme 3d pro, after 2 years it started acting strange, not responding good and so on.

Now I got myself a very veryyyyyyyyy cheep Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2. Best Joystick I ever had!

About the Saitek St90: thing feels like a toy, and you can't twist the stick for rudder. I agree getting the Saitek Cyborg Evo. Good quality choice and adjustable comfort.

Bearcat99
09-28-2007, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by son-in-law:

Now I got myself a very veryyyyyyyyy cheep Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2. Best Joystick I ever had!

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like a rock... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

249th_Maico
09-28-2007, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by son-in-law:

Now I got myself a very veryyyyyyyyy cheep Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2. Best Joystick I ever had!

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like a rock... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Strong As I could be....
No A/C Could follow me,
Like a Rock

Ehem.. Sorry, got carried away. Really it is the best stick. I have a CH FighterStick. I barely used it. I just dont like it. I also have a X-52. Great throttle, Not a good Joystick, but indispensable when used as a throttle. Lastly, the Saitek Cyborg got here last week. I think it is a decent stick I think for a new guy, its a EXCELLENT stick. I started out with a Logitech Wingman non FFB way back when. It was not bad and I gave it away in working order two years after I bought it. That is not to say I disagree with the above posters, Logitek is quick, cheap for the masses.
I still hold hope for a MS FFB Hotas.... Well, Chrismas is coming....

triad773
09-28-2007, 01:06 PM
I've been reasonably happy with the Saitek Evo Fource for a while now.

Logitech went bad in a couple of months that I had. But it was well built- so now if I can't find my hammer, I use it instead http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (jk- I tossed it)

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-28-2007, 01:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Real friends would point out that the quality headspace that CH has over Saiteks upper product range is just not big enough to justify the pricetag, in my opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you owned the X-52 and a CH Hotas? Well I have and it certainly warrants any mark up in price. BTW have you priced the X-52Pro with Saitek pedals vs CH Hotas with CH pedals? Must not have.

S!

HuninMunin
09-28-2007, 01:36 PM
Thanks to a lucky friendship I actualy own the X-45, X-52 ( standard), Saitek RudPeds and the complete CH setup.
Shure CH pawnz Saitek in craftmanship but that's not the point - the point is that the Saitek setup gives you alot more bang for the buck.
You gotta be realy hardcore to appreciate the CH products - I'd advice any novice or newcomer to stay away from CH, if only for the amount of work you have to put into those to really fit.

JEEPEE2007
09-28-2007, 01:39 PM
I'm afraid i have thesame problem.
finding a decent joystick to replace my Thrustmaster Topgun Afterburner2.
I would like to try a Saitek X52.
Can i get some advice pleas.
I think the joystick choice is very importend for a game like Il-2
My Afterburner has lost it's presission,i have to recalibrate it every time i
play the game,so i would like to try something new.
Those who have experience with the Saitek X52,pleas tell me what you think of it.

HuninMunin
09-28-2007, 01:51 PM
It's probably the best HOTAS in it's priceclass.
I have overall great experience with the Saitek stuff.
My X-45 is as old as this game and still works flawless, the X-52 gives you both high precision and a long handle - something seldomly noted by the flightsim community - wich gives some great fine tuning possibilitys.
As I said above, if CH is to expensive there is only one option.

Insuber
09-28-2007, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JEEPEE2007:
I'm afraid i have thesame problem.
finding a decent joystick to replace my Thrustmaster Topgun Afterburner2.
I would like to try a Saitek X52.
Can i get some advice pleas.
Those who have experience with the Saitek X52,pleas tell me what you think of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bought an X52 Pro few months ago and I'm happy with it. Even if I'm not a frequent player I appreciate it's precision and sensibility.

Actually the shop sold it at the same price of the X52 ... a bargain.

I had a Logitech FF and a Logitech Freedom. They indeed lost precision after some time.

Regards,
Insuber

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-28-2007, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">the point is that the Saitek setup gives you alot more bang for the buck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If your going to stick with the twisty stick I agree. Unfortunately that was the first thing to go on mine.

An X52 Pro will run you around 200 bucks and the Saitek pedals another 100 or more. Thats in the same price range as CH.

I did not take this thread as a bang for buck one as I thought the author was asking which is the best. Best bang for buck would be to get on ebay and grab yourself Sidewinder FFB. I seen a dozen or more on there the other day.

I was a big fan of the X-52 and it served me well until everything start to break. Now that I have CH I can understand why they are so cherished and loved by their users.

And if someone is looking for a good bang for buck stick I wll gladly send them my Sidewinder Precision 2 if they just pay the shipping. Thats the kind of stuff I do for my fellow community members. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S!

Lehnert
09-28-2007, 04:14 PM
Hello,
I have been satisfied with my Thrustmaster Topgun Afterburner 2 for the last 3 years.
And I was able to program all the buttons, it was a very good joystick. It is a good stick for IL-2.

Then I got at X-Mas a new Saitek X-52 from my children.

Now I think the best one for IL-2 1946 is the whole Saitek controls with Saitek rudder pedals (I bought them too).
After programming the stick and the throttle I sold my Thrustmaster Topgun Afterburner 2 at once.

Of course I tried the MS Sidewinder 2 FFB - but I am not happy with the FFB ( I load all FFB applications for IL-2 like from Mantis and so one...) and my hand is to large for this stick - I "break" my thumb to reach all the buttons at the top of the stick.
I also checked the MS Sidewinder FFB Pro with gameport connection. But the software does not work with Windows XP or Windows 2000.

The Guillomet Joystick FFB is a good joystick for IL-2 too. With smoother FFB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gifthen the MS FFB, I think http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif.
But I have no chance of programming the buttons because it is a very old stick and I found no software in the WEB to program it. It is an absolutely rare stick, even in eBay.

At this time the Saitek-X52 (not the X-52 PRO) and SAitek rudder pedals I recommend it for all Flightsimmers.
Except for "natural born" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif FFB-Fans (especially the MS SW 2 FFB fans !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif)................

Regards
Gerhard


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JEEPEE2007:
I'm afraid i have thesame problem.
finding a decent joystick to replace my Thrustmaster Topgun Afterburner2.
I would like to try a Saitek X52.
Can i get some advice pleas.
I think the joystick choice is very importend for a game like Il-2
My Afterburner has lost it's presission,i have to recalibrate it every time i
play the game,so i would like to try something new.
Those who have experience with the Saitek X52,pleas tell me what you think of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

slipBall
09-28-2007, 04:24 PM
CH will last you along time, it is for sure worth the extra cost...

Choctaw111
09-28-2007, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
CH will last you along time, it is for sure worth the extra cost... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Indeed. True that you may purchase something considerably less in terms of money, but you will also be getting something considerably less in quality and durability. Once you buy a CH, you will own it for the rest of your simming days for sure. I have had mine for several years and I LOVE them VERY MUCH. With a CH Fighterstick you get 24 buttons and then you can multiply that by 3 (for 3 modes) and get a grand total of 72 mapped functions on one controller! That includes one slider as one of the functions and two (2) trim wheels. One for your elevator and the other for your ailerons. It is truly an engineering marvel. I have tried other sticks and this one takes the cake.

Sokol__1
09-28-2007, 07:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Guillomet Joystick FFB is a good joystick for IL-2 too. With smoother FFB Oopsthen the MS FFB, I think Oops.
But I have no chance of programming the buttons because it is a very old stick and I found no software in the WEB to program it. It is an absolutely rare stick, even in eBay. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have try whit JoyToKey or SVMapper?

Sokol1

JEEPEE2007
09-30-2007, 03:11 AM
Thank you all for the exellent advice !!!
I think Santa will come early this year,and he will bring me a Saitek X-52. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

simflyer2007
09-30-2007, 08:08 AM
I have an st90 ,the digital throttle doesnt work with il2 so you'l be using the keyboard alot.good stick though i dont really mind using the keyboard

JG52Uther
09-30-2007, 08:26 AM
Don't forget,that in Europe Saitek and CH are certainly NOT in the same price range.CH is about double the price for me. (and when I can afford it,I will get a CH set up,because,although expensive,they last for ever)

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-30-2007, 05:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Don't forget,that in Europe Saitek and CH are certainly NOT in the same price range. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do tend to forget that at times and can certainly understand why some people opt for Saitek if that is the case. Luckily here in the US the price is very close so its a no brainer.

S!

EiZ0N
09-30-2007, 06:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">However i decided eventually that it was an ugly, uncomfortable, overheating piece of ****e </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe uncomfortable to you, but personally I'm just grateful that Saitek actually care about the large number of left-handers out there.

They do get pretty hot, but mine has never failed and I've had it for probably 5 years or more now. I think it looks better than most sticks too.

I'd recommend a Cyborg force, just because I like FFB and mine has been reliable.

R_Target
09-30-2007, 06:28 PM
I would certainly recommend CH if the price was not a concern, but I believe the OP was looking for a cheap twisty, which puts CH way out of the price range. Barring an old MS Sidewinder, the Thrustmaster is probably the best of the cheapies. Saitek sticks are junk IMO. Love that X52 throttle though.