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deskpilot
08-29-2008, 01:47 PM
as a newb who loved the tempest as a boy and had a model of it, I'm flying this in IL 2. Anyone have any advice re how to get best out of it, and any technical data not in the manual eg stall speeds, best altitudes etc?

deskpilot
08-29-2008, 01:47 PM
as a newb who loved the tempest as a boy and had a model of it, I'm flying this in IL 2. Anyone have any advice re how to get best out of it, and any technical data not in the manual eg stall speeds, best altitudes etc?

VW-IceFire
08-29-2008, 02:34 PM
There's allot written in the forum in some previous posts so worth doing some searching for the topics.

Some basics I can write off the top of my head.

- Change supercharger at 3900-4000m to stage 2 for best results
- When using WEP dial "prop pitch" down to 70% and keep it there. The engine will stay cooler than at 100%. Dial it up to 90% if you need the speed but try and stay away from 100%.
- Stay fast, avoid turning battles, and use the Tempests high speed controllability to its maximum advantage

Stall speeds are average for a plane of its size, weight, and performance but watch out for high speed stalls as they can be dangerous infront of an enemy.

When using rockets the weight of the rails severely affects the performance of the plane...beware and avoid fighter combat while equipped with rails.

Long range drop tanks cause almost no drag (but they do weigh you down a bit) so feel free to fit them on rare occasions where you're flying for a long time.

Finally, inside the cockpit pay attention to the fuel gauge. There are actually one main gauge and another set just off to the right (if memory serves). Once I thought I was low on fuel but it turned out I had lots of reserve in the tanks.

Wildnoob
08-29-2008, 02:35 PM
Tempest is very fast, and as an excellent maneuverbility at high speeds. altougth it has a worst susteined turnig ratio then the BF-109, it can outdive and outrun it. against the FW-190 it's quiet similary, have superior performance then the A models at high altitude, but very similary at low and medium - and with the D general similarity.

don't wast your time trying figth the BF-109 in turns. instead, use hit and run tactics. stay above, dive, fire and break away. I recommend that you fire and leave the combat area and come back only when you have sure that you are not being pursuit. if the 109 is in your tail, just full open your trottle and avoid it using your superior speed. especially if you have enough altitude, just avoid then using this tactic and plus a high speed dive.

the FW-190 demands mostly pilot skill, because is more then a match for the Tempest in speed.

Brain32
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Stall speeds are average for a plane of its size, weight, and performance... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">altougth it has a worse sustAined turnig ratio then the BF-109 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> against the FW-190 it's quiet similary, have superior performance then the A models at high altitude, but very similary at low and medium </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Urufu_Shinjiro
08-29-2008, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Stall speeds are average for a plane of its size, weight, and performance... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">altougth it has a worse sustAined turnig ratio then the BF-109 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> against the FW-190 it's quiet similary, have superior performance then the A models at high altitude, but very similary at low and medium </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I don't get it.....

ElAurens
08-29-2008, 05:33 PM
Brain thinks that all Allied planes are over modeled, especially the Tempest.

josephs1959
08-29-2008, 05:36 PM
I think it's Brain32's way of saying Are you kidding me? I've out turned, dived and climbed the Tempest many times in a FW-190A. Once I kept three Tempests busy trying to shoot me down until the cavalry came and we all finished them together.

Aaron_GT
08-29-2008, 05:45 PM
I can never remember from plane-to-plane (despite having the pilots notes for a good selection, including the Tempest V) unless I am unusually prepared (which is unusual). So checking the boost gauges is a good plan as you can guess when you might need a supercharger change, try it, and see if the boost increases or drops.

It's harder to tell if you are overrich on mix (120% can help low down in some planes) as the main sign is smoke before the engine begins to run a bit rough.

VW-IceFire
08-29-2008, 07:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Brain thinks that all Allied planes are over modeled, especially the Tempest. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes but thats because Brain is special http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crucislancer
08-29-2008, 08:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by deskpilot:
as a newb who loved the tempest as a boy and had a model of it, I'm flying this in IL 2. Anyone have any advice re how to get best out of it, and any technical data not in the manual eg stall speeds, best altitudes etc? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love the Tempest as well, one of my favorite planes in IL-2.

Here is a thread from when I asked the same question:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/528...281025065#5281025065 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5281025065?r=5281025065#5281025065)

julian265
08-29-2008, 10:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by deskpilot:
as a newb who loved the tempest as a boy and had a model of it, I'm flying this in IL 2. Anyone have any advice re how to get best out of it, and any technical data not in the manual eg stall speeds, best altitudes etc? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

2250 m altitude is great for the tempest - download "IL2 compare" and have a look at it's speed curve. Even the 190D9 won't catch up to you at that altitude... Although it's pretty close, you must have a higher initial speed, and fly as close as you can to a straight line. ie if you have to maneuver to avoid being hit, you're going to be caught.

The Tempest has appalling acceleration, so don't put yourself in a situation that requires it, ie stay fast. (again!)

+1 to the "hit hard, get out, reassess" method.

deskpilot
08-30-2008, 03:03 AM
Many thanks for all the tips, guys. I have a looong way to go before getting even halfway decent. I'm hoping I can get a new stick and maybe throttle soon. Maybe I'll be better at landing then...!

ali19891989
08-30-2008, 03:51 AM
The Tempest is seems to be very under rated by a lot of red pilots. It's great fire power and maneuverability mean it can cause a lot of problems for blue pilots

Brain32
08-30-2008, 04:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Brain thinks that all Allied planes are over modeled, especially the Tempest. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes....... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually - no. However I'm aware that whoever dares even to imply a Red plane is too good at something not to even mention the insult of implying the German plane is not good enough at something - get's "the label". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

But I will not dissapoint you guys, your favourite "Luftwhiner" and one of the last surviving of this kind on this forum will comment this again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Tempest's turn ability is F'in ridiculous if many are not competent enough to use it, that's not my problem(where do you fly btw? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif).

@deskpilot, their advices are still good, however they are not Tempest specific, avoiding turnfights, staying fast, keeping an eye on your six are all good advices for any plane.
However in a Tempest you can really, really turn to make your spine brake in lil' pieces.

Vs. 109 just keep it at "high" speed, for 109's that means anything faster than measly 300kmh, when you get down to about 300-310 kmh, just start dialing in flaps, you will eventually outturn a 109 and shoot ti down like a worthless piece of poop it is(in-game)

Vs. 190A you can just do whatever you want, D9 will turn better than you at 400kmh+ but nothing it can really use unless it catches you by suprise, it is faster though but that only means it will run away from you(if it starts running in time) most of the time.

Your only problem are groups of FockeWulfs, one-two are not a problem, especially A's but more of them if you are lone hunting are a no-go for engagement...

Aaron_GT
08-30-2008, 08:16 AM
If anything the Tempest V we have is modelled at boosts that only represent the state of affairs up to autumn 1944 at +9 boost. Ideally we'd have a +11 boost option too for extra 1945 performance (there were trials of +13 and Closterman implies he used it, but I remain sceptical of squadron use of +13 in 1945).

Rwulf__68
08-30-2008, 09:08 AM
As someone who's been flying 109's more or less exclusively since time began, I've been branching out with usually offline campaigns using different opponents. Like Deskpilots says in the thread start, I've also loved the Tempest since the days of Airfix, combined with the excellent book by Sheddon "Tempest Pilot".

Like the 190:

4 x 20mm cannon- fire only at convergence you're good at/comfortable with & your B & Z will be more of one shot-one kill ratio. For me that's around 185m.

Stay fast. The use of boost below 3000 rpm is to be encouraged. Previous advice about staying around 70% engine power is in keeping to historical accounts- they usually say 85% for cruise.

Unlike the 190, the acceleration is really not good, however rolling scissors-type manoeuvres will pay off quickly.

Adjusting Prop pitch to again between 70-100% works well also.

Two fine campaigns out there are 'These Foolish things' by Stathem
<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=2531 </pre>

Am also in process of flying an Ian Boys d-gen campaign: "2nd Tactical Airforce Ground Attack" that came with the Enjoyr packs.

Enjoy the plane, get used to cockpit only & you'll have a blast.

TinyTim
08-30-2008, 02:19 PM
If you are alone and you meet a Dora, run like hell. You are outnubmered.

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Aaron_GT
08-30-2008, 02:30 PM
If I can find my Tempest V pilot's notes I'll post the official recommended engine regime.

BillyTheKid_22
08-30-2008, 02:53 PM
I love Tempest V !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

DKoor
08-30-2008, 03:03 PM
Tempest is IMHO the best available allied plane for western front in this game. It's practically faster than anything Luftwaffe has except FW-190D, it has really, really mean guns, it is more maneuverable than any FW, Bf has chance in low speed maneuvering.

With this plane you can have some really good time.

jdigris001
08-30-2008, 04:08 PM
faster than the Dornier Do335? I must be doing something wrong then as the Dorniers can always chase me down when Im in a Tempest

Didnt there used to be an "exploit" or as some people call it a cheat with the Tempest, something to do with prop pitch that gave it absurdly better speed? I cant remember what it was, and did they fix it with 1946?

Wildnoob
08-30-2008, 04:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> against the FW-190 it's quiet similary, have superior performance then the A models at high altitude, but very similary at low and medium </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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ok Brain, sorry. I don't know much about the Tempest, but I've belived that the FW-190 was very similary to it.

DKoor
08-30-2008, 04:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jdigris001:
faster than the Dornier Do335? I must be doing something wrong then as the Dorniers can always chase me down when Im in a Tempest

Didnt there used to be an "exploit" or as some people call it a cheat with the Tempest, something to do with prop pitch that gave it absurdly better speed? I cant remember what it was, and did they fix it with 1946? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>In a way you are right when you doubt Tempest speed vs Dornier... Dornier is indeed faster, but is not something that can be seen in quantity in those days... in numbers there were only around 20 of these aircraft ever produced.
FW-190, Bf-109, P-38, P-47, P-51, Typhoon, Spitfire... were on the other hand common fighter types on WF produced in large quantity (compared to the 'exotics' such was Do-335).

Some servers try to recreate these shortages by limiting these planes to very few per map.

About pp exploit I believe that is still around, switch between 40% pp and 100% pp (IIRC) to gain more speed.

VN-philong
08-30-2008, 08:44 PM
You might want to view the track I recorded
on the War-Clouds server: watch for a scissor duel on the deck (over the bridge) between a tempest and FW190

http://www.4shared.com/file/61130944/d1ce13a1/WC_Tempes...90_Scissor_Duel.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/61130944/d1ce13a1/WC_Tempest-Fw190_Scissor_Duel.html)

VW-IceFire
08-31-2008, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jdigris001:
faster than the Dornier Do335? I must be doing something wrong then as the Dorniers can always chase me down when Im in a Tempest

Didnt there used to be an "exploit" or as some people call it a cheat with the Tempest, something to do with prop pitch that gave it absurdly better speed? I cant remember what it was, and did they fix it with 1946? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do-335 is definitely faster.

Wildnoob
08-31-2008, 08:56 AM
there's the story of Pierre Closterman, that he had try pursuit a Do-335 with his Tempest and the german pilot manage to outrun it.

WOLFMondo
09-01-2008, 08:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
If I can find my Tempest V pilot's notes I'll post the official recommended engine regime. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately if you fly the IL2 Tempest to teh actualy recommended real engine regime your IL2 Sabre IIA engine will burn up within a few minutes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif