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lbuchele
01-24-2009, 01:09 PM
I was wondering if itīs theoretically possible to make jets from the sixties and early missiles like AIM-9B in the Il2 engine?
It will be really nice to have a planeset like the wings over vietnam game but with the Il2 standart.

lbuchele
01-24-2009, 01:09 PM
I was wondering if itīs theoretically possible to make jets from the sixties and early missiles like AIM-9B in the Il2 engine?
It will be really nice to have a planeset like the wings over vietnam game but with the Il2 standart.

Enforcer572005
01-24-2009, 01:21 PM
I tend to doubt that guided IR or radar missles could be incorporated, though certainly some of those modder guys might be able to.

The planes can of course be made, but I THINK to go past the mid fifties would be a bit out of place for this sim.

The strike fighters series of sims has much user made content and is excellent, but I don't have time to fool with it much anymore. Lots of 60s stuff of varied quality availible, but much is amazingly good.

lbuchele
01-24-2009, 02:18 PM
Yes,indeed.
Mr.TK do a hell of a good job with his limited resources.
I imagine what he could do with a full staff.
I like very much jets of Korea and Vietnam era,because the more modern ones has too advanced missiles and the idea of dogfighting becames a joke.
Itīs just point and shoot.
Maybe itīs better to hope he might be able to develop more the FM and DM of his series,because graphics are not that bad, and AI in the last iteration is very good.
You can sweat a lot trying to dogfight with a MIG 17 in a F4 or F8.( in a F100 you simple die, and die again.)

PanzerAce
01-24-2009, 03:57 PM
The problem with doing any post war jets is that you start to get into the realms of performance that IL2 can't really model, such as above 30,000 feet and near mach. Remember that this game started as a eastern front only low level ground attack sim, so that's what it is good at.

Bo_Nidle
01-24-2009, 04:11 PM
I always hoped Lock On might have modded in the direction of SEA.

I don't think IL2 can do it.

Oh well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

lbuchele
01-24-2009, 06:40 PM
Well, maybe we could see this in SOW?

PanzerAce
01-24-2009, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbuchele:
Well, maybe we could see this in SOW? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, it is going to have a Korea component, so the physics engine will probably be there. Don't know about missiles yet (though that raises the question of will we get ASMs in SOW for use with the FW-200 or HE-111 in the anti shipping role...

If I was betting though, I'd say we probably aren't going to get anything in the 60s or later.

M_Gunz
01-24-2009, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
The problem with doing any post war jets is that you start to get into the realms of performance that IL2 can't really model, such as above 30,000 feet and near mach. Remember that this game started as a eastern front only low level ground attack sim, so that's what it is good at. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

Maybe LockOn could be made to do it?

VF-17_Jolly
01-25-2009, 05:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbuchele:
Well, maybe we could see this in SOW? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, it is going to have a Korea component, so the physics engine will probably be there. Don't know about missiles yet (though that raises the question of will we get ASMs in SOW for use with the FW-200 or HE-111 in the anti shipping role...

If I was betting though, I'd say we probably aren't going to get anything in the 60s or later. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Technically we could have the early ASM`s now it would not be a massive leap from the Ta-183 and leache (sp) pilot guided missiles to the hs-293 and fitzX glide bombs so maybe easy in SOW But no Missiles Please

Aaron_GT
01-25-2009, 06:51 AM
Can't the AI use the X-4 we already have? Of course that's not the same as early AIM that lost lock, etc.

VF-17_Jolly
01-25-2009, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Can't the AI use the X-4 we already have? Of course that's not the same as early AIM that lost lock, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

do you mean an ai X-4? it would track like an IR missile and you would never miss a bomber, cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

woofiedog
01-25-2009, 12:52 PM
lbuchele... Are you talking about this future game from 1C called... Project Galba.

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/MiG-15%20grab0000.jpg

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/F-82%20grab0000.jpg

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/La-9%20grab0000.jpg

lbuchele
01-25-2009, 01:44 PM
Iīm aware and already sweating only in seeing Project Galbaīs pictures...
I think Korea will not be difficult to implement, as long that war uses guns and tactics from WW2.
Vietnam era is what about Iīm asking.
F4,F8,F100,F104,and other nations aircrafts like Mirages on 6-day war...
But that depends on missiles AND radar, and a lot of weapons dumb and guided for ground pounding.(paveways,walleyes,mavs,etc...)
But i donīt think this is turning Il2 into LOMAC.
Early missiles are very difficult to manage in dogfights,because their very limited envelope and not been very reliable and BVR missiles arenīt too precise those days.(thatīs the reason US Navy and USAF quickly adapted a Vulcan pod in the F4, the SUU-11)
Besides, manouvering and getting a tone in the winder is a very rewarding experience, donīt you think?
Strike Fighters series is great in doing this, but once you are in Il2 you becomes spoiled, and you notice the difference, specially on DM e FM.
I think AFTER ROF and SOW , nobody will want pre-fabricated battle damage textures anymore.
Botton line is: the Dogfight series from History Channel, folks.
Thatīs my dream.

Enforcer572005
01-26-2009, 12:44 AM
I think strike fighters and Lomac are gonna be your main hope for such, as htey already have alot of that. strike fighters has about all hte 60s stuff last I checked.

I am looking forward to the Galba project far more than the battle of britain SoW set, as I haven't done Korea stuff since the rather constrained Mig Alley. First I've seen of the Mig-15 and the La-11.

Some Korea era planes are in progress for the mods, but I dunno how long they will be. 60s stuff would just be too limited in this one I think.

Bremspropeller
01-26-2009, 07:28 AM
A big drawback about LOMAC was part of it's community, consisting of kiddies flying their "kewly"-painted Su-33s, doing "Cobras" all day long.

Yeah, fine.

A 50s/60s/70s sim would get rid of most of those guys, because there is no "instant success".
Doing a correct dive-toss (one of the easier attack-tactics) is much harder than fiddling around in LOMAC.

Besides, LOMAC really doesn't feature those aircraft that really get the most fun out of a game - swing-role fighters.

I'd rather fly a Hortnet-mission (I'm reading "USN Hornet Units of OIF" at the moment, that's why I'm bit biased towards the Hornet atm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) with an A-G part and an A-A part in ONE mission than flying 3hrs of CAP in an F-15 or CAS missions without any serious threar-scenario (as most missions I've flown in LOMAC) in an A-10.

I'm an immersion-guy.
Last time I flew LOMAC online was a disaster.
It propably has changed till now.

I'm still hoping they're pulling a Viper or a Hornet out of the hat some day.

AWL_Spinner
01-26-2009, 08:15 AM
I think the Jet Thunder (http://www.thunder-works.com/) guys may be your best bet for an early cold-war era sim expansion.

Carrier ops, Sea Harrier, A4, Canberra, Super Etendard, Mirage/Dagger, Vulcan, plus all the rotary stuff are there off the bat.

They have the nucleus of a North Atlantic theater cold war sim right there, this engine could easily support the Phantom, F8, A6, Bear, Yak-38 etc. and provide some wonderful scenarios.

Of course, they have to get the first product out the door - can't wait for this one!

http://www.thunder-works.com/media/acmodels.jpg

lbuchele
01-26-2009, 03:27 PM
Good remembering AWL_Spinner.
Jet Thunder are been developed by a Brazilian-Argentinian team.
They does it mostly in their spare time, and what they achieved until now is simply amazing.
If they succeed with the Falklands, it might be possible we could see expansions in the future.
They already have the Super Étendard, Dagger,FMA Pucará,A4 Skyhawk ,Sea Harrier, Harrier GR3 flyable, AND the Esquilo heli too.
In flight refueling will be possible as long carrier operations.
The videos of Skyhaws bombing runs on the Sao Carlos bay are amazing, just take a look.
Iīm just sending my best wishes to JT-Dante and staff looking forward Q4 of this year ,the release date for their sim, thatīs almost in beta stage right now.

jarink
01-26-2009, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbuchele:
Well, maybe we could see this in SOW? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, it is going to have a Korea component, so the physics engine will probably be there. Don't know about missiles yet (though that raises the question of will we get ASMs in SOW for use with the FW-200 or HE-111 in the anti shipping role...

If I was betting though, I'd say we probably aren't going to get anything in the 60s or later. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm.... Those early ASMs should be doable with the IL2 engine, I would think. Command guidance, just with a radio instead of a wire!

I wonder if anyone over at AAA has already thought about it?

ploughman
01-26-2009, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">ns.
The videos of Skyhaws bombing runs on the Sao Carlos bay are amazing, just take a look. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Got link?

lbuchele
01-26-2009, 06:28 PM
Wait a little...
Itīs here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoG2jYxzBvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVl35T4DnEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...YeJU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hS03bzYeJU&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Q1dc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqglea5Q1dc&feature=related)

Enjoy...

One more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...e6mM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh8t5Wfe6mM&feature=related)