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MadBadVlad
12-22-2006, 10:53 AM
Just received my Track IR4 and the headset Clip setup. Easy install with the new drivers from Naturalpoint and worked like a charm on the IL-2 combat profile supplied with the software.

But what a HUGE difference this makes to the sim. I cannot believe I wasted so many years putting off the purchase of this kit and making do with a crappy hat switch setup.

As a confirmed Sturmo mudmoving fan I always had trouble with situational awareness. Finding the ground target could be bad enough, but then keeping a reference on it as you climbed from a strafe and turned to locate the target again was even worse and I usually lost the target amongst the featureless landscape.

Now with TrackIR I am finding I can look over my shoulder and keep the target direction in view while turning to find a good line of attack at the same time. It just feels so natural and immersion has gone up 100%.

As you can probably tell I am dead chuffed with this purchase http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and can thoroughly recommend the kit to anyone sitting on the fence wondering whether they should get TrackIR.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MadBadVlad
12-22-2006, 10:53 AM
Just received my Track IR4 and the headset Clip setup. Easy install with the new drivers from Naturalpoint and worked like a charm on the IL-2 combat profile supplied with the software.

But what a HUGE difference this makes to the sim. I cannot believe I wasted so many years putting off the purchase of this kit and making do with a crappy hat switch setup.

As a confirmed Sturmo mudmoving fan I always had trouble with situational awareness. Finding the ground target could be bad enough, but then keeping a reference on it as you climbed from a strafe and turned to locate the target again was even worse and I usually lost the target amongst the featureless landscape.

Now with TrackIR I am finding I can look over my shoulder and keep the target direction in view while turning to find a good line of attack at the same time. It just feels so natural and immersion has gone up 100%.

As you can probably tell I am dead chuffed with this purchase http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and can thoroughly recommend the kit to anyone sitting on the fence wondering whether they should get TrackIR.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AWL_Spinner
12-22-2006, 10:56 AM
Welcome brother to the church of immersion!

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Heavy_Weather
12-22-2006, 12:46 PM
welcome back sir! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


isn't it amazing? makes you wander how you done it all this time eh. now you won't be able to fly without one.

Haigotron
12-22-2006, 12:58 PM
:O can i come over and play with it?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ShaK.
12-22-2006, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Haigotron:
:O can i come over and play with it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and he doesnt mean your TIR. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tator_Totts
12-22-2006, 01:07 PM
Welcome to the flock.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Dr2GunzOD
12-22-2006, 01:57 PM
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La7_brook
12-22-2006, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MadBadVlad:
Just received my Track IR4 and the headset Clip setup. Easy install with the new drivers from Naturalpoint and worked like a charm on the IL-2 combat profile supplied with the software.

But what a HUGE difference this makes to the sim. I cannot believe I wasted so many years putting off the purchase of this kit and making do with a crappy hat switch setup.

As a confirmed Sturmo mudmoving fan I always had trouble with situational awareness. Finding the ground target could be bad enough, but then keeping a reference on it as you climbed from a strafe and turned to locate the target again was even worse and I usually lost the target amongst the featureless landscape.

Now with TrackIR I am finding I can look over my shoulder and keep the target direction in view while turning to find a good line of attack at the same time. It just feels so natural and immersion has gone up 100%.

As you can probably tell I am dead chuffed with this purchase http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and can thoroughly recommend the kit to anyone sitting on the fence wondering whether they should get TrackIR. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>TrackIR is the best thing after they made the joystick for flight sims i also flew for 4 years also with out it ,got it last xmas and never went back too outside view , the hole way u fly the plane charges in FR , next stop warclouds or one the a there ture tactics servers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

badaboom.1
12-22-2006, 03:38 PM
Wait till 6dof is available for BoB!!!!That's gonna ROCK!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SidCheshire
12-22-2006, 05:51 PM
Most immersive addon available...can't fly without it<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DomJScott
12-22-2006, 06:04 PM
Personally I don't find not having TrackIR a problem with mudmoving, I expect it's more beneficial, especially online, with trying to keep track of fighters your dogfighting.

striker-85
12-22-2006, 06:09 PM
I flew for a VERY long time without TIR and finally decided to get one about six months ago. I guess most of my hesitation was along the lines of 'How good can this thing really be...'

Wow I was blown away!! I could definately never go back to a hat switch.

msalama
12-22-2006, 06:13 PM
Yah, giving it a try soon because a m8 is going to lend me one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Sepdawg
12-22-2006, 06:18 PM
Try flying without it after u been using it for a while.....YIKES http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Have had TIR for three years now...

CrazySchmidt
12-23-2006, 02:15 AM
I am seriously wanting one of these but haven't been able to justify the spend yet, but I'm getting closer I can feel it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Beuf_Ninja
12-23-2006, 02:36 AM
And the lord said "Let there be track IR". And hw saw the increased immersion/SA and it was good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Akronnick
12-23-2006, 04:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beuf_Ninja:
And the lord said "Let there be track IR". And hw saw the increased immersion/SA and it was good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Bewolf
12-23-2006, 05:51 AM
Unluckily 190 bucks are not an option atm.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Choctaw111
12-23-2006, 06:02 AM
From all of us who have had it and told others to get it because of how GREAT it is..."WE TOLD YOU YOU SO!!!!!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Now you know exactly what we were all talking about. It took me about 3 days to fully get used to it. How long did it take you. At first it drove me crazy but I knew how good this thing was going to be so I stuck with it until it was second nature. That was over three years ago.
The funny thing is when I now watch a track or movie from Il2 I find myself trying to pan my view around using my head movements. When I catch myself doing this I have to laugh to myself. That is how second nature using the TrackIR becomes...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaFireLIV
12-23-2006, 06:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MadBadVlad:
Just received my Track IR4 and the headset Clip setup. Easy install with the new drivers from Naturalpoint and worked like a charm on the IL-2 combat profile supplied with the software.

But what a HUGE difference this makes to the sim. I cannot believe I wasted so many years putting off the purchase of this kit and making do with a crappy hat switch setup.

As a confirmed Sturmo mudmoving fan I always had trouble with situational awareness. Finding the ground target could be bad enough, but then keeping a reference on it as you climbed from a strafe and turned to locate the target again was even worse and I usually lost the target amongst the featureless landscape.

Now with TrackIR I am finding I can look over my shoulder and keep the target direction in view while turning to find a good line of attack at the same time. It just feels so natural and immersion has gone up 100%.

As you can probably tell I am dead chuffed with this purchase http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and can thoroughly recommend the kit to anyone sitting on the fence wondering whether they should get TrackIR. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It always happens like this... You tell them how great TIR is and explain and they say...

"Hmmm, think about it."
"Not sure."
"I can`t see how it could be that good."
"maybe later."

But when they get it, it`s:

"WOW!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
"I can`t believe I struggled so long without!"
"It`s so realistic!"
"Easier than I thought!"


The hard part is always trying to convince them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I have only TIR1 (which is good too), but hope to afford the TIR4 eventually.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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Feathered_IV
12-23-2006, 06:04 AM
I've wanted to get tir for ages. But I wonder though what kind of advantage it would really give me in FB. After first playing CFS2, and graduating to FB, I found the mouse-look to be a revelation. I'm naturally right handed, and don't have much co-ordination in my left hand. So I began drilling myself in practicing tracking enemies with the mouse. Each time I began to get comfortable with it, I'd increase the mouse speed and start all over again. I've been using it now for years. These days I have the speed set at 3.5 and can follow even the twitchiest opponent through the most crazy of manouvuers. My movements with the mouse have become so in synch with that of my eyes, that I don't even realise I'm doing it anymore.
It seems perfectly adequate for the Fb series, but I think I'm missing out in regards to BoB WOV http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif. And when KotS and SOW come out, tir 6dof will become a must though. Guess I can hang on till then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaFireLIV
12-23-2006, 06:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
My movements with the mouse have become so in synch with that of my eyes, that I don't even realise I'm doing it anymore.
It seems perfectly adequate for the Fb series... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here we go again! lol!
Pal, I used the mouse before all the time like you. TIR is like 100% better than that! To be honest it`s only slightly improved in WOv from FB with TIR. Really hard to explain, but immediate benefits are:

1. A free hand... hmmm,sounds dodgy that...

2. Constant situational awareness.

3. Natural because you use the head to do what the head would really do (turn to look). Quicker to get used to than the mouse!

4. Wonderful in dogfights. i`ve kept on a bogey in cases where with a mouse or hatswitch I would`ve lost the citter - even when I`m inverted and all over the place and seen when the other guy has lost me.

5. can`t explain. It`s just better.


Give yourself time to get accustomed to it (few days - 2 weeks depending how much you play) and you`ll never look back.

Only price should keep you from getting it, nothing else.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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Feathered_IV
12-23-2006, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Only price should keep you from getting it, nothing else. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thats the one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. Hopefully later this year though, I can join the club http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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PriK
12-23-2006, 09:18 AM
Sing it sisters!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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widdershins
12-23-2006, 10:44 AM
The worst is when I take my hat off to answer the door and forget to put it back on. I am so used to TrackIR that it without it becomes incredibly disorienting (not talking about SA). It's like my brain says "Whoa, hold on there a second... something isn't right. I need time to figure this out!"

+1 to TrackIR circle jerk.

MadBadVlad
12-23-2006, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by widdershins:
The worst is when I take my hat off to answer the door and forget to put it back on. I am so used to TrackIR that it without it becomes incredibly disorienting (not talking about SA). It's like my brain says "Whoa, hold on there a second... something isn't right. I need time to figure this out!" +1 to TrackIR circle jerk. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know exactly what you mean now. It is something like getting off a small sailing boat where you have been pitching around at sea for quite a while and used to getting your brain focussed on the horizon relative to the movement of the boat. If you step off a boat the land still sometimes seems as though it is moving.

I get the same when I have been flying with TrackIR. If I take it off after a long session (1-2 hours)it feels like the real world should still be shifting relative to my position. Very odd, and maybe not too healthy, I dunno ??<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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