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jg1234
09-06-2011, 07:33 AM
Hi folks,

I had a chance this weekend to play more with my IL2 1946 (v1.10) game.

I was hoping some more seasoned players could help me. I spent the whole weekend using the Nugget's guide ( which is much appreciated )and practiced only landing on escort carriers using the Wildcat and Hellcat.

I noticed that landing the Wildcat was much easier for me then the Hellcat. Specifically, I was used to the Wildcat not bouncing as much as the Hellcat when I hit the deck and was able to "trap" consistently with the Wildcat. I could also make last minute adjustments better in the Wildcat when landing.

I read online where the Wildcat was great for escort carrier operations because of it's lower landing speed. Is that what I am experiencing in this Sim?

If so -that is cool - very realistic.

Last - is there something in options or setups that can control this or turn that off?

Thanks in advance - jg1234

jg1234
09-06-2011, 07:33 AM
Hi folks,

I had a chance this weekend to play more with my IL2 1946 (v1.10) game.

I was hoping some more seasoned players could help me. I spent the whole weekend using the Nugget's guide ( which is much appreciated )and practiced only landing on escort carriers using the Wildcat and Hellcat.

I noticed that landing the Wildcat was much easier for me then the Hellcat. Specifically, I was used to the Wildcat not bouncing as much as the Hellcat when I hit the deck and was able to "trap" consistently with the Wildcat. I could also make last minute adjustments better in the Wildcat when landing.

I read online where the Wildcat was great for escort carrier operations because of it's lower landing speed. Is that what I am experiencing in this Sim?

If so -that is cool - very realistic.

Last - is there something in options or setups that can control this or turn that off?

Thanks in advance - jg1234

Luno13
09-06-2011, 09:50 AM
Yup, Il-2 really isn't that bad when it comes to relative performance (and it's one of the best in terms of aircraft handing, ie the "feel" of flight, and not coasting on rails).

I don't know what you mean by "this or that". There is a difficulty menu in which you can adjust a lot. There is a controls menu which allows you to set keys for everything that you need (for instance, manual landing gear retract, chocks, bomb-sight controls are not assigned to any keys by default). Il-2 is not a full sim in terms of fully operable pit, if that's what you mean. Just the basic necessities for air combat are modeled.

jg1234
09-06-2011, 10:47 AM
Luno13,

Thanks for the reply. Il2 is very fun. I am enjoying it.

I agree I wasn't very clear when I asked if "this or that" could be adjusted. I noticed that there was a check for "realistic landings" in the setup area. I was wondering if there was a sub menu with options that would allow a player to make the carrier landings easier - like eliminate bounce or torque or something like that. I wasn't sure if there were options like that or if there was a Mod out there that does that.

Like you said - the Sim does a great job of modelling the differences and if needed I will learn them - I just was curious to see what my options might be.

Thanks - jg1234

horseback
09-06-2011, 02:23 PM
1C has depicted US late war fighters as much less forgiving and more demanding of trim than they generally were compared to their British, German and Soviet contemporaries. The real-life Wildcat would be quite a bit harder to fly and land on any sized carrier than a Hellcat.

The real-life Wildcat took off and landed at lower speeds than the Hellcat, but it was well known as a very hard aircraft to do those things in. It was very torque-y and the narrow landing gear made correct rudder trim critical, and any taxiing was an adventure, by most accounts.

The Hellcat was more forgiving and had a much wider stance (with apologies to Senator Craig), which lent itself to easier taxiing and landing on carriers. By all accounts it was considered an almost childishly easy aircraft to fly for a fighter of that period. It simply needed a longer run to take off in (catapult launches being the exception back in those days).

It was however, much bigger than the Wildcat, and escort carriers were kind of pressed for space, since they usually carried an air group that consisted of a squadron of 'fighters' usually used for ground support and a squadron of the enormous TBM-1 Avengers for ASW and antiground and only secondarily as antishipping.

Wildcats took up a lot less flight deck and hanger deck space and they were 'good enough' to perform the roles they were expected to fill. Hence, they were generally relegated to the escort carriers once the Hellcats and Corsairs were available in sufficient numbers to operate off the big 'fast' carriers.

cheers

horseback

Tully__
09-06-2011, 07:02 PM
If you turn off "Realistic Landings" it will be much harder to break an aircraft when hitting the ground, but not easier to land.

jg1234
09-07-2011, 12:47 AM
Thanks everyone for the replies. I didn't know a great deal about these planes.

IL2 is really fun - it takes some time to get the basics down - but I suspect that is part of the fun.

jg1234