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izt_is
12-22-2004, 06:22 AM
ok so this is the tactic. 4 planes, we spot enem column , we all dive down together and attack the convoy together one after the other. What is this tactic called?

the next one is 4 planes, we spot a convoy, the 1st plane goes down to attck, the other 3 aircraft stay ontop to cover the 1st aircraft. once the 1st aircraft is done, he pulls up and returns behing the last aircraft, the 3nd aircraft goes down to do the attack run and the other 3 aircraft cover him. this process is done repeatedly until all convoy is destroyed. This ensures the attacker of the convoy is covered at all times. What is this tactic called?

HansKnappstick
12-22-2004, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by izt_is:
the next one is 4 planes, we spot a convoy, the 1st plane goes down to attck, the other 3 aircraft stay ontop to cover the 1st aircraft. once the 1st aircraft is done, he pulls up and returns behing the last aircraft, the 3nd aircraft goes down to do the attack run and the other 3 aircraft cover him. this process is done repeatedly until all convoy is destroyed. This ensures the attacker of the convoy is covered at all times. What is this tactic called? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This also ensures that the target is under attack for a longer period of time.

Sorry but I am unable to help you with the names.

Bearcat99
12-22-2004, 06:59 AM
I dont know the name of it but I know it was commonly used by many US squadrons and probably others too as it makes a lot of sense.

NORAD_Zooly10
12-22-2004, 09:15 AM
it sounds very similar to the cabrank system (although far more planes were involved).
~S~
Zooly

LStarosta
12-22-2004, 09:35 AM
The first tactic was a very flawed one used by RAF squadrons in the Battle of Britain. There are many flaws to this system:

1) The same aircraft is being attacked by a single flight or even a squadron. While this ensures its destruction, there are squadrons upon squadrons of aircraft that remain unhindered by such an attack. The goal is not to pulverize the bombers but to break the formations to prevent them from reaching their goal.

2) In this "Follow the Leader" type of game, one focuses too much on following the leader than his own gunnery, or more importantly, his situational awareness.

3) When all the planes are attacking one after another in close succession, they only make themselves an easier target for defensive gunners and fighter escorts alike.



But to get back to your point, no I do not recall the name at the moment.

F19_Ob
12-22-2004, 10:01 AM
Dont know but the pilots above are often called "top cover" in the litterature.
Perhaps more common was to have larger number of planes attacking groundobjects with a smaller section as topcover.

Many tactical ideas didnt always have universal names at the time but sometimes local ones, although many of the ww1 tactics described by Famous pilots of that time was in circulation and commonly used.

Online I often choose to stay as topcover If one or more of my mates are occupied with an enemy below.
I may zoom in and take a shot if the opportunity seems favorable,depending on my position, to finish the battle quickly before trouble arrives, and it frequently does.

my 2 ├┬Âres worth....

civildog
12-22-2004, 10:07 AM
Dunno if it was the "official" name but I've read that the Russians called it the "wheel of death" when they used the same tactic for ground attacks with stormoviks.

Later, in the both the Korean and Vietnam wars the same tactic was adopted for (and was really effective) air-to-air engagements by the Communist forces as taught by Soviet advisors.

The book "And Kill MiGs" has a good description of how tough it was to beat this tactic in the air against MiGs with Phantoms.

F19_Ob
12-22-2004, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CivilDog:
Dunno if it was the "official" name but I've read that the Russians called it the "wheel of death" when they used the same tactic for ground attacks with stormoviks.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The wheel of death was actually a bit different and (hopfully) with fighters as cover.
It involved sometimes more than 50 planes (perhaps much more on some occasions) where they attacked in a diving line bombing and strafing everything in sight in a certain area and reformed in a wide circle to go in again untill out of ammo. Those attacks sometimes could go go on for hours and with fresh replacements coming in.

MrQBerrt
12-22-2004, 10:43 AM
I saw the AI do this once in PF. I set up a mission where I had 3 friendly F4-U, and we tried to take out 8 bombers or so heading toward the carrier that we all took off from. Just for fun, I gave us all rockets.
When we got to the bombers (we hit them from the bombers 9 o'clock high), the AI F4's grabbed some altitude and then rolled and dove straight down for the nearest bomber, all in single file formation. They all unloaded their rockets at the one bomber and polverised it. I realize tactically it was a waste, as we still had 6 bombers to go (I took out one in the meantime), but it was really cool to watch.

Oh, and by the way, I too do not have a name for the tactic.

LilHorse
12-22-2004, 11:16 AM
Uh...guys. He's talking about hitting ground targets: "columns" and "convoys". Not bombers.

civildog
12-22-2004, 01:56 PM
We know that, we're just showing how this tactic is a pretty universal one that probably didn't have any special name.

The version the NK used over Korea and the NV used over 'Nam looked almost identical to what those sides learned from the Russians. Which was what the Russians used against ground targets in WW2. One big wheel of planes making continuous one-at-a-time attacks so the enemy gets no relief.

p1ngu666
12-22-2004, 08:24 PM
cab rank was the system where ground forces could call up tiffs to give them a hand.

radio telephone, once a flight arrived, a flare would be shot over the enemy point, and typhoons would attack how they wished..

mainly line astern, if aa was heavy, often only make one pass and zoom back to base http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

(fireing all rockets and cannons)

typcialy passed 500mph in the dive, musta made a hell of a noise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif