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AtomicRunt
02-13-2004, 02:35 PM
Just seen the book in the bookstore..kinda pricey..Any reviews?..Funny how this game has shed a light on the Eastern front(For me anyway) just wondered if it was worth it is all???

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AtomicRunt
02-13-2004, 02:35 PM
Just seen the book in the bookstore..kinda pricey..Any reviews?..Funny how this game has shed a light on the Eastern front(For me anyway) just wondered if it was worth it is all???

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A.K.Davis
02-13-2004, 02:36 PM
Which volume did you see in the store?

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jayarbro
02-13-2004, 02:48 PM
I have both volumes(1&2). The first one covers Operation Barbarossa and the second is something like the first year of the war.
There is alot of information about units and Russian/German air operations.
It is kind of dry reading in my opinion but it is a great reference for IL2 with lots of pictures you won't find anywhere else.

"Go in close, and then when you think you are too close, go in closer."
Major Tommy McGuire, USAAF ~ 38 victories in the PTO

AtomicRunt
02-13-2004, 03:02 PM
It was Barbarossa?? not sure what volume that is, how many volumes are there? Don't mind spending the money,just didnt want to spend it and find out the book was full of cr@p. Thought this would be one of the best places to ask.

...posted at the same time Jay..thx

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jayarbro
02-13-2004, 03:11 PM
There are two volumes out so far. I think the first one is hard to find & was put out in a limited edition. You may want to buy it if you found it in the book store.
There will be more if the author keeps writing them...I would think about six in all to cover the whole war and they will probably be put out as they are finished.

"Go in close, and then when you think you are too close, go in closer."
Major Tommy McGuire, USAAF ~ 38 victories in the PTO

Destraex
02-13-2004, 03:21 PM
I have both volumes and they are an absolute must for anybody interested in the air war over Russia. These are the first books I would recommend to someone who is new to the whole affair. Pricey but worth it, the second book has lots of full page colour plates all through it and is a bit shorter. The third book is expected to come out sometime in the future

Its pretty heavy reading though - a good buy really as you can find most major incidents documented in it

Destraex
02-13-2004, 03:23 PM
Oh, and did mention its co-written by a German and a Russian so is fairly balanced.

AlGroover
02-13-2004, 04:20 PM
I would have thought this game (sorry, sim) will increase the market size for these books many times over. Surely another print run would be possible.

PzKpfw
02-13-2004, 05:43 PM
The 1st volume will be re-printed after the release of the 3rd volume, according to the Black Cross Red star website @ http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/bc-rs/

Currently Volume 1 is going for $300.00 + at Amazon etc. The 2nd Volume Resurgence covers Jan - June 1942, Ie, the Crimea etc.

The series is a must have for anyone interested in the airwar in the East IMHO.

Their is also of interest:
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As well as IL-2 skins by Cpt. Farrel @ http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/tribute.htm

As well as alota info/articles etc on the site, welkl worth bookmarking IMHO.

Regards, John Waters

A.K.Davis
02-13-2004, 05:50 PM
Volume 1 is an excellent book, but the publication quality (printing, layout, illustrations) is very low. My girlfriend managed to find volume 1 for me for Christmas, but I'll likely get the second edition also if it is of the same quality as volume II (which is VERY good!).

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CzechTexan
02-14-2004, 01:56 AM
I have the first two volumes and it is worth it. I can't wait til the 3rd volume comes out this year. The first volume will be re-printed sometime soon by the new publishing company. The short stories/incidents are in chronological order and also gives you a good history of events of the "big picture." The authors have done their research very well. They want an accurate account of the air war and for it to be the best. Visit their website. Read the books if you're interested in that part of the war. It's enlightening.

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tenmmike
02-14-2004, 02:21 AM
excellant books the author himself ch bergstrom comes here to this forum and talks to us and ocasionaly asks questions and is a very nice man

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uberweng
02-14-2004, 03:53 AM
I have both books and think they are excellent. However, you should have a good look inside (if possible) before you buy to see if you like the style. The author(s) of this book attempt to provide both an almost day by day account of the air war with an abundance of first person accounts and a wider view of the "big picture." The author(s) manage to do both well (although i would recommend reading these books with a copy of "The Road to Stalingrad: Stalin's War With Germany" at hand). When i read the book i often wished for more information on daily operations but that was only because sometimes it felt like an abundance of detail was provided about one mission or event while others that happened on the same day or in the same area were only mentioned briefly. I think this is probably due to limited sources rather than any shortcomings on the author(s) behalf. Mr Bergstrom has done all those interested in the eastern front or the air war in world war 2 a great service by writing these books.

Uberweng.


ps,
if the re-print is delayed or someone is interested in getting a first edition of volume one in very good condition they should get in touch as i have a spare copy.

ChBergstrom
02-28-2004, 11:34 AM
Yes, the author Christer Bergstr√¬∂m occasionally visits this forum. ;-)

The process to publish Volume 3 of "Black Cross/Red Star" is running smoothly.

Check out this website for regular updates on the production process:

http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/bc-rs/vol3.htm

Maybe you would also be interested in the book "Graf & Grislawski: A Pair of Aces", about the two Eastern Front aces Hermann Graf & Alfred Grislawski. See:

http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/

Don't miss Cpt. Farrel's excellent Graf & Grislawski Forgotten Battles skin page - with skins of many of the aircraft that were flown by Graf & Grislawski:

http://www.cptfarrels.com/

All best,

Christer Bergstr√¬∂m

tttiger
02-28-2004, 11:49 AM
Christer, your work is superb!

When will Vol. III be on sale (and immediately on my bookshelf http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)?

I refer to the first two volumes constantly.

S!

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

ChBergstrom
02-28-2004, 04:27 PM
"When will Vol. III be on sale (and immediately on my bookshelf?"

The first question is for my publisher, Eagle Editions. (See their e-mail address on the Black Cross/Red Star website, or the Graf & Grislawski website.)

When you have received a reply on that one, I think the best person to ask the second question is the one you see in the mirror each morning when you shave. ;-)

All best,

Christer Bergstr√¬∂m

rbstr44
02-29-2004, 08:38 PM
I'm going to have to start saving, now, to get all three volumes when they're available. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Serval_EAF310
03-01-2004, 02:44 AM
Can't wait for the 3rd volume.

A question, what changes will be made to volume 1? Is it only a layout matter or will there be things added?

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