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flyingeaglemile
01-06-2011, 09:09 PM
Would you rather the AC games be as historical accurate as possible, or sacrifice some historical accuracy to make the story better? For example at the end of AC2 Ezio could of killed the pope instead of suddenly deciding to spare his life for no real reason because the Pope didn`t die until 1503. Now this doesn`t mean that they`ll just start making stuff up, it`s just little details like what year someone died in would be different.

mvg89
01-06-2011, 09:12 PM
Better story. Im not paying $60+ for a history lesson..haha

ThaWhistle
01-06-2011, 09:28 PM
both. the way they've been doin it is good enough

MrJLBoyyy
01-06-2011, 09:58 PM
NO HISTORY I WANT SPACE LAZORS WITH SAMURAI PIRATE NINJA NAZIS WITH GUNS AND DESMOND KILLS ALL THE ASSASSINS WITH NERF GUNS IN A BIKE HELMET IN MEDIEVAL TIMES....

/sarcasm

How do you create a scale to actually compare the two? You need one for the other...

Wow, I'm a horrible story-teller...

kriegerdesgottes
01-06-2011, 10:13 PM
The thing that really pulled me into the franchise was the history but I think they do a good job of keeping both really important. But I don't think one should be more important than the other.

SevketErhat
01-07-2011, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by ThaWhistle:
both. the way they've been doin it is good enough

You are very much correct

obliviondoll
01-07-2011, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by MrJLBoyyy:
NO HISTORY I WANT SPACE LAZORS WITH SAMURAI PIRATE NINJA NAZIS WITH GUNS AND DESMOND KILLS ALL THE ASSASSINS WITH NERF GUNS IN A BIKE HELMET IN MEDIEVAL TIMES....
This.

Seriously, though...

Keeping the KNOWN facts in line with the real world, and rationalising those parts which wouldn't fit with reality. Then slipping your story in the gaps where we can't prove that isn't what happened (Tanks and planes and artillery gondolas! Oh my!) seems like the best idea to me.

So yes, as they already have done.

Xanatos2007
01-07-2011, 04:20 AM
I think Ubisoft were spot on with AC1: it was set in a historical time period with historical characters (King Richard, Battle of Arsuf, etc) but rather than trying to shovel in all the major characters & events (like with AC2's Machiavelli, Sforza, Bonfire of the Vanities, Rodrigo, etc) the story took place behind the scenes and showed how the Assassins shaped events in the Holy Land from the shadows rather than being on the frontline of everything.

Of course to go with the nature of the story the gameplay should be suitably subtle as well. Id est; more focus on stealth.

Inorganic9_2
01-07-2011, 04:59 AM
^ this! I enjoyed how the major players in the history of the time were side characters and the Assassins and targets were behind the scenes.

Also, nothing beats the awesome feeling of a masterful infiltration and an unseen assassination.

I had a theory about Ezio leaving Rodrigo alone...all the frustration he built up was taken out by punching his face in and strangling him, so when Ezio calmed down and saw a beaten rodrigo raging and raving that it was his destiny, Ezio felt he'd broken him enough and left him to suffer in the fact that all he worked for was for nothing, rather than give him release by killing him.

rileypoole1234
01-07-2011, 03:37 PM
I think definatly better story. In ACB the Vatican really disappointed me. I don't care about the historical accuracy THAT much. I wanted them to drop the historical accuracy and let me walk through the square ive come to know and love.

kriegerdesgottes
01-07-2011, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
I think definatly better story. In ACB the Vatican really disappointed me. I don't care about the historical accuracy THAT much. I wanted them to drop the historical accuracy and let me walk through the square ive come to know and love.
I understand what you are saying but this would have bothered me. In fact they put more of it in than there was supposed to be which I was ok with I guess but I love the fact that I can go somewhere through these games and see it exactly how it was at the time or the closest they can get. You can't get that anywhere else. I don't think people understand how insanely awesome that is. But I will agree that you should have been able to do more with the vatican/saint paul basillica area. I still can't believe you can't go in or around or up it at all. and There are like 4 guards total in that whole area.

Avl521
01-07-2011, 04:20 PM
Both.
Actually just do as you've been doing so far.

It is INSANELY AWESOME to have a game that shows you an alternate history to the one that is known or represented in what humanity knows, but that you can't question at all.
I think the historical accuracy + the subtle tweaks and "hidden crusades" of the assassins and templars amidst all this, is part of what makes AC one of the best franchises, at least in my opinion.

Xanatos2007
01-07-2011, 04:30 PM
That's what they did perfectly in AC1, but lately the series has become what we experts call "snooker-loopy". The flying machine, the tank, the infiltration of the Vatican, the Brotherhood in Rome... these events would be pretty hard to deny happening and I'm surprised they got overlooked in the history books.

Avl521
01-07-2011, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
That's what they did perfectly in AC1, but lately the series has become what we experts call "snooker-loopy". The flying machine, the tank, the infiltration of the Vatican, the Brotherhood in Rome... these events would be pretty hard to deny happening and I'm surprised they got overlooked in the history books.

I agree on that.
Though about the machines, if they were being built in secret like in the games, and their blueprints and the one already built was destroyed there'd be no proof of them ever being built. Also of notice that a lot of Leonardo's work is actually missing so we don't know if there are more designs.
Other than that, if the intent was to erase assassins from history books, their actions would be totally left out, as if they had never existed.

So although it is true the games have gotten less subtle in what can happen or not, what they show could still be possible.

madjedo1
01-07-2011, 05:38 PM
I think, if we are talking about keeping it authentical in terms of the environment, buildings, streets, monuments, historical persons etc. Then this should be encouraged, as some have already posted, walking in renaissance italy is frikkin awesome. Seeing how it actually looked liked. This they should not alter. If they just finetune it a bit more, i can even see AC games being used for educational purposes hey :P

But other than that, as the game progressing it gets more obvious for every release that historical authenticity is just gonna have to be put aside... I mean, fake fossiles? Or what about the Templars already being extinct by persecution in the 15th and later centuries? By AC terms, it looks like "they who came before" already cleared themselves of the "templar threat" long time ago...

What you have is just conspiracy theories with zero significant support or evidence of templars still existing or surviving the persecutions etc...

But thats what AC is, a mix of conspiracy theories... We ain't really talking about the "historical authenticity" as a history student would read history hehe....

And if they budge too much on historical authenticity, like mixing up dates and other important events, its gonna be harder to understand their puzzles or in fact, the whole game. So the way they are doing it now seems fine to me. But don't tell me it is "historical authentical" lol...

assassin087
01-07-2011, 06:22 PM
I thought making it historically accurate is why it has a better story.

Alpha Ender
01-08-2011, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I think Ubisoft were spot on with AC1: it was set in a historical time period with historical characters (King Richard, Battle of Arsuf, etc) but rather than trying to shovel in all the major characters & events (like with AC2's Machiavelli, Sforza, Bonfire of the Vanities, Rodrigo, etc) the story took place behind the scenes and showed how the Assassins shaped events in the Holy Land from the shadows rather than being on the frontline of everything.

Of course to go with the nature of the story the gameplay should be suitably subtle as well. Id est; more focus on stealth.

I agree. I've been playing through the series, and as much as I complained about the repetition of the first one, it was IMO the best by far. There's pieces I would add from ACII and ACB, but the concept of AC is the best. Like you said, shaping history from the shadows, not from the frontlines. "We work in the shadow to serve the light." Ezio says it at every initiation, yet that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

Look at the "You know what I miss?" thread for more examples of why (I think) AC was better.

UBOSOFT-Gamer
01-08-2011, 04:06 AM
Both or stay it like it is. The devs did a very good job in all AC games in the balance of historical accuracy and story. they should keep it that way. no drop and no push.

Ass4ssin8me
01-08-2011, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by MrJLBoyyy:
NO HISTORY I WANT SPACE LAZORS WITH SAMURAI PIRATE NINJA NAZIS WITH GUNS AND DESMOND KILLS ALL THE ASSASSINS WITH NERF GUNS IN A BIKE HELMET IN MEDIEVAL TIMES....




Makes me, think of what COD is doing. A new, company is now Designing COD with rumored plans of a Future Warfare, with lazers etc., title after Modern Warfare 3.

If Assassins Creed EVER goes down this path, I will Boycott Ubisoft.

Frydo
01-08-2011, 04:49 AM
Historically accurate. The history is splendid as is so the current mix is great. I'm actually related to the Borgia family so my opinion is biased ether way, so I'd probably enjoy it no matter what they did with these characters, I'd want more of Lucreazias family with Alfonso. Her sister in law pretty much invented the renaissance and feminism, and rumors place her as Leonardo DaVincis lover after they hired him, which could expand greatly with the story in Assassin's Creed so far and would be historically accurate.

Ass4ssin8me
01-08-2011, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by Frydo:
Historically accurate. The history is splendid as is so the current mix is great. I'm actually related to the Borgia family so my opinion is biased ether way, so I'd probably enjoy it no matter what they did with these characters, I'd want more of Lucreazias family with Alfonso. Her sister in law pretty much invented the renaissance and feminism, and rumors place her as Leonardo DaVincis lover after they hired him, which could expand greatly with the story in Assassin's Creed so far and would be historically accurate.

Lucky you having, such famous ancestors. Bet you wish the Animus was real!!

eagleforlife1
01-08-2011, 08:22 AM
Historical accuracy. I like killing and learning at the same time.

IIwangcarsII
01-08-2011, 08:25 AM
I dont really learn much from assassins creed tbh, well maybe a tiny bit but thats irrelevant. I think the story could be better and an addition to emotion would be cool! imagine a game that could make you feel sad, angry, and scared! it would be a best seller in my opinion! oops a bit off topic! my answer: more story but keep the history as accurate as possible!

Xanatos2007
01-08-2011, 08:37 AM
While Assassin's Creed may not be educational in the greatest sense it does inspire one to learn more about certain things, be it language, history, religion, philosophy, the unknown, stealth & combat tactics, art, etc. Videogames are responsible for piquing a lot of my interests and I enjoy reading up on real life characters, places and events.

Although I do enjoy a good narrative, so it'd be best to reach an equilibrium with historical accuracy & a good story.

LitLikeABrothel
01-08-2011, 02:12 PM
Well, once I finished the game I spent most of my computer lessons in school the nest day looking at the Wikipedia pages for the Borgia family and Leonardo Da Vinci, so I like the history stuff.

IIwangcarsII
01-08-2011, 02:46 PM
I have wikipediad a lot of things because of assassins creed so i guess it has been of somewhat to extent knowledgeable, i searched hashashins a that.

Ass4ssin8me
01-08-2011, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
While Assassin's Creed may not be educational in the greatest sense it does inspire one to learn more about certain things, be it language, history, religion, philosophy, the unknown, stealth & combat tactics, art, etc. Videogames are responsible for piquing a lot of my interests and I enjoy reading up on real life characters, places and events.

Although I do enjoy a good narrative, so it'd be best to reach an equilibrium with historical accuracy & a good story.

I did re-search on all the Real-life characters and the landmarks after I played the game, so yes it does.

RedSpider
01-08-2011, 08:38 PM
Even after playing AC2 and ACB, it's always nice to go back to AC1. I like the subtlety and the fact that it doesn't seem as commercialised. Sorry for the bad explaining. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif
As for the educational-ness, I've googled everything lots of times, so that when I play the games, I know which bits are real http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif The game itself might not be reliable to use for educational purposes, but it seemed to have encouraged many of us to do some research http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif