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woofiedog
12-11-2004, 02:48 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Heres A little info on the He-162.
Heres the Link.
http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avhe162.html#m3

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1153

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/He162_color010.jpg
That month also saw deliveries of the He-162 to its first operational unit, the Ist Gruppe of Jagdgeschwader 1 (I/JG-1), which had previously flown Focke-Wulf 190s.

I/JG-1 was pulled back to Parchim, not far from the Heinkel factory at Marienhe, where the Luftwaffe pilots could pick up their new jets. They began intensive training on the type in March, but by that time the Third Reich was obviously on the threshold of collapse, and transportation and fuel supply was grinding to a halt under the pressure of Allied air attacks.

On 7 April, the USAAF bombed the field at Parchim with 134 Flying Fortresses. Two days later, I/JG-1 left their demolished facilities to move to a nearby airfield at Ludwigslust. Less than a week later they moved again, flying north to an airfield at Leck, near the Danish border in Schleswig-Holstein. In the meantime, II Gruppe of JG-1 had moved to the Heinkel airfield at Marienhe to begin trading their FW-190s for He-162s.

The He-162 finally began to see combat in mid-April. On 19 April, a pilot of a British Royal Air Force (RAF) fighter who had been captured by the Germans informed his interrogators that he had been shot down by a jet fighter, whose description was clearly that of a He-162. The Heinkel and its pilot were lost as well, shot down by an RAF Tempest fighter on the way back to base.

On 20 April, a Luftwaffe pilot successfully ejected from a He-162, though the reason for the hasty exit from his aircraft was not recorded. One strong possibility is that he simply ran out of fuel. The He-162's half-hour endurance was simply not enough, and at least two of JG-1's pilots were killed making dead-stick landings after exhausting their fuel.

On 4 May, all of JG-1's surviving He-162s were formed into a special consolidated Einsatzgruppen, but this action amounted to little more than rearranging the deck chairs on the TITANIC. On 5 May, the Germans agreed to a cease-fire and the He-162s were all grounded.

From mid-April, I/JG-1 had scored a number of kills, but had also lost 13 He-162s and ten pilots. Most of the losses were from flying accidents, due to problems such as engine flame-outs and occasional structural failures. Despite this poor record, the difficulties with the He-162 appear mostly to have been due to the fact that was rushed into production, not that it was an inherently bad design. One experienced Luftwaffe pilot who flew it called it a "first class combat aircraft".

Erprobungskommando 162 fighters, which had been passed on to an operational unit under Adolf Galland a few weeks earlier, were all destroyed by their crews to keep the jets from falling into Allied hands. However, JG-1 cooperatively turned their He-162s over to the Allies,

Friendly_flyer
12-11-2004, 03:11 AM
It's certainly a very nice plane to fly in the game.

Copperhead310th
12-11-2004, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
It's certainly a very nice plane to fly in the game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it is. but it is no match for the P-80.
nither is the Me-262. the gotha is another story. last time i faced a GO it was almost an even match. with the dege in firepower going to the gotha and manuverablity going to the P-80.
if you learn how to fly the P-80 right....in this sim in combat against the LW jest...you will almost never die. Just keep in mind though these few things:
1. all of them, are faster than you are.
2. they hit harder. don't get hit. EVER.
3. Keep your speed and E up. always
4. Turn baby turn. they canot match you in T&B.
5. Use combat flaps often.
6. Aim for the engins. thier big fat targets that are easy to hit. On the 162...that's all it take is a good 1 to 2 second burst to light that sucker up like a back yard grill on the 4th of july! ;-) 262 same thing. fire the engine and it's over.

anarchy52
12-11-2004, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
It's certainly a very nice plane to fly in the game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it is. but it is no match for the P-80.
nither is the Me-262. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

F-16 is no match for P-80 in FB

DuxCorvan
12-11-2004, 10:07 AM
Now we must make a poll to have that dog of yours released from its ashaming captivity... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Atomic_Marten
12-11-2004, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
4. Turn baby turn. they canot match you in T&B. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do not agree I think that GO229 can match P80s turn. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KaRaYa-X
12-11-2004, 10:31 AM
P80 vs He162 should be a pretty fair match...

The He162 is a little bit faster than the Me262, it is more maneuvrable than both - the P80 and the Me262; just take a look at their relative takeoff weights - , roll-rate is quite good, high-speed handling is excellent (but that's more like a requirement for a plane like this), however it somewhat lacks in terms of firepower

2xMG151/20 is okay against fighters but rather annoying when engaging US-heavy bombers.

Maybe a 2xMk108 weapon option would be handy - this was fitted IRL as alternative to the 20mm (not just fantasy )

Prof.Wizard
12-11-2004, 12:24 PM
Nice article, superb plane. Had tons of fun with it on jet-allowing servers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IL2-chuter
12-11-2004, 01:13 PM
I'm actually amazed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif at how tight the 229 can turn AND it doesn't lose energy very quickly doing it . . .


- just my opinion -


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WUAF_Badsight
12-11-2004, 01:34 PM
Go-229 overheats the eaisiest of any of the Jets tho

the He-162 is the fastest plane in the game , as it was during WW2

before it became flyable , it used to blow up with shaking (at around 500 kmh) when used in DF rooms , was relieved it didnt carry that trait over

woofiedog
12-11-2004, 01:59 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Captivity! DuxCorvan... you must mean she will give My Wife & I... our Freedom.
She owns the Bed, has her own couch, hand feed by my Wife when she seems a bit Helpless, has her own DR., go's every three weeks to the Beauty Parlor to have her Nails done and is Chauffered around by me in her Travels.
Sounds like something I could get use to. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ploughman
12-11-2004, 03:23 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/He162_color010.jpg

The red arrow on the pointy bit, is that a "this end forward" packaging thing? Very spot on of them if it is.

I read about a Hurricane pilot who flew his plane backwards for nearly a month until somone pointed out the bit with the spinning thing was supposed to go in front. He was amazed by the increase in performance.

JG52Uther
12-11-2004, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KaRaYa-X:
P80 vs He162 should be a pretty fair match...

The He162 is a little bit faster than the Me262, it is more maneuvrable than both - the P80 and the Me262; just take a look at their relative takeoff weights - , roll-rate is quite good, high-speed handling is excellent (but that's more like a requirement for a plane like this), however it somewhat lacks in terms of firepower

2xMG151/20 is okay against fighters but rather annoying when engaging US-heavy bombers.

Maybe a 2xMk108 weapon option would be handy - this was fitted IRL as alternative to the 20mm (not just fantasy ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah but Karaya,i think they intended to make one version with mk108's IRL but the factory producing them (in CZ i think) was overrun so they could only produce fighter version

Sgt.Waite
12-11-2004, 04:34 PM
I think my only saving grace when engaging a ME or GO is the ease of which their engines catch fire. Getting bounced by those planes is a rather shocking and traumatic experience (not to mention very life shortening) which I think is close to what happend in WWII, and it's a really cool immersion thing.

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
12-11-2004, 04:49 PM
something is off with the Rollrate of this plane.

eric brown flew it and i think he said something like "increddible agile plane, nothing for newcomers...Roll-Rate is unmatched..."

Daiichidoku
12-11-2004, 10:11 PM
the Goth is probably THE best plane in FB...third fastest, behind the Me 163 Kraft Ei and He 162.

will outturn EVERY monoplane in FB except Oscars and possibly the A6M2

doesnt actually overheat easily, you just hve to know how to massage the throttles

pretty good damage absorbtion

excellent range

2x Mk 103 cannon devastating...when flown correctly, one usually only needs .5 second burst to destroy enemy, any more than that and you shouldnt have taken the shot in the first place

I would fly any other monoplane type, prop jet or rocket vs the Go 229 anyday and be totally sure of victory, or at least a draw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif...and I.ll accept any challenges fo rthat, too! lol

WereSnowleopard
12-12-2004, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KaRaYa-X:
2xMG151/20 is okay against fighters but rather annoying when engaging US-heavy bombers.

Maybe a 2xMk108 weapon option would be handy - this was fitted IRL as alternative to the 20mm (not just fantasy ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They did add Mk108 on first protype but have to drop it because it vibration bad when firing.

Cheers
Snowleopard

Friendly_flyer
12-12-2004, 09:35 AM
It's funny Copperhead find the P-80 a better plane than the Salamander. 4 vs 4 fights on autopilot (so that they are all flying to the same skill), it is an even match. When I join the fight (all AI pilots are regulars), I find I can tip the balance in the Salamanders favour more easily than tipping it in the P-80s favour. It may simply be a matter of personal preference in fighting style.