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schokoo
06-07-2011, 06:25 PM
seriously
there are still some major Clanīs in FC2 who all have played millions of hours FC2.
It would be easy to arrange a voicechat meeting (via Ventrillo, Teamspeak, Mumble or Skype) with the developers from UBI and some really experienced Gamers.
(as we did for almost all our MP-events to clear up the rules)

Lets say each clan will send 2 speakers to that chat and within an hour there would be such a great output to use it for FC3.


Here are the Webpages to contact us:

WAT (http://www.wat-clan.com/)

WGC (http://www.waikikigunclub.com/)

TAW (http://taw.net/Default.aspx)

GCT (http://gct.clannow.com/)

IIxXWRATHXxII
06-07-2011, 06:27 PM
I guess that would be cool, but don't get your hopes up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DapperHayden007
06-07-2011, 06:28 PM
yea they could talk to the map makers too. Don't get your hopes up too high http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

schokoo
06-07-2011, 06:32 PM
let us dream and everybody who thinks that this could be a good idea - should support that threat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

killa_677
06-07-2011, 06:51 PM
Don't see this happening but it would be really cool of them to do this. If I could, I'd join it. I don't have a mic though but I can type. I've played through the FC2 campaign tons of time and I've also finished the FC1 campaign a couple of times too. I've logged in hundreds upon hundreds of hours into the map maker and multiplayer of FC2 as well.

DeftOneRadio
06-08-2011, 07:08 AM
I'm not sure how likely it is to happen, but it would be great if UBI were to reach out to a small group of veteran FC & FC2 players for input. You've got my support. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IceT-Bag
06-08-2011, 07:49 AM
It is a good idea, one that the FC1 community put forward to the FC2 devs back when that was announced - but it fell it on death ears.

Not saying an old dog cant learn new tricks, but I would say they are too far into development to take on new ideas, FC2 had numerous features dropped due to time/complexity restraints.

They should already know what the community wants from all the feedback given here over the years, whether they act on it is another thing.

tropical_plague
06-08-2011, 10:16 AM
It's a nice idea. There are hundreds of thousands of FC1 and FC2 play hours among those clan guys. I'm sure there is still time to develop the MP of this game.

www.waikikigunclub.com (http://www.waikikigunclub.com)

Ceciiik
06-08-2011, 10:24 AM
I think this is a really good idea.
Or help test the game in multiplayer.

AntsySkaya
06-08-2011, 10:58 AM
Yeah, it would be very nice.
In those named clans are almost always one or two who've changed or managed so much in FC2 to keep it alive.
We all can talk atleast basic english and realy would love to help.

greats:
AntsyPants
http://gct.clannow.com/

Pacient.cz
06-08-2011, 12:37 PM
Its really smth special to see that some people just cant get rid of FarCry in their blood and keep hope for better tommorow (btw. nice to see you IceT-Bag ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif ) and its of course good idea schooko http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Lets hope that someone on the "other side" listen/think/care http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

zeeEVIL1
06-08-2011, 09:26 PM
Well, actually the Devs did make use of many of us from the mapping community back during FC2's development.
However, even though a number of the suggestions we made did find their way into the editor in some degree, they did not pick up on our ideas and try to get us to elaborate on any of them, which was a mistake in my opinion. Nor did they ever directly interact with us.

If they do that again, they should make an effort to engage us this time.

DapperHayden007
06-08-2011, 09:52 PM
well its not just "ubisoft montreal" this time so maybe they might listen

AntsySkaya
06-15-2011, 11:40 AM
Lets just hope, they wont wait long to reply or make arrangements befor its too late to make any changes at all.

iGame3D
06-17-2011, 04:41 PM
I know a game with a hard core dedicated group of fans. They stuck by this game for eight years.
The game is a total failure, the 'inner circle' pf fans have not improved the game for anyone but themselves and pretty much killed it for the public. An MMO with max 40 people, yeah.

Far Cry 2 obviously made enough money for the studio to stay open, people to keep their jobs, and two more studios to work on the sequel.

Not listening to everyone's suggestions is sometimes the best thing a developer can do to get a good product out the door.

Fans don't make games until they stop "logging millions of hours in multiplayer" and sit down to design, implement, fund and program a game.

Map makers, make demo reels from your creations, get a job in the industry. You can be the change you want to see.

zeeEVIL1
06-18-2011, 08:56 AM
Actually igame3D, they did in fact implement a few of our suggestions. In the case of the editor, it was a solid improvement.
The gameplay itself we had no say in, and if when we were invited up to their studios as thanks for helping out, an effort should have been made by those who attended to point out some immediately noticable flaws in the game that could have been debugged before release. As for demo reels, many of us have youtube pages loaded with our work in video, and there have actually been one or two people from the mapping community that did in fact get hired by Ubisoft.

CaptainDEEZ
06-18-2011, 10:55 AM
I didn't even know there were still that many clans playing Far Cry 2.
I can think of a few more clans from the PS3 version that you don't have mentioned here:
Clan:
CDG (http://cdeezgames.com/index.php#16)
FCMAPS (http://fcmaps.com/news.php)
OnR (http://www.oldnrubbish.co.uk/)
B3E (old website is gone, there's a new (http://b3yond-elite.motionsforum.com/) one that I don't think is used)
Here's the B3E Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/B3yond-Elite/359808949324)

I would like to see a forum that Ubisoft actually implements ideas from.

IgniterRC
06-18-2011, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by zeeEVIL1:
Actually igame3D, they did in fact implement a few of our suggestions. In the case of the editor, it was a solid improvement.


They may have implemented a few suggestions, but I don't believe that the focus group that Ubi formed represented all the ideas that the community had. Most of that group from the 360 side are on my friends list and I know the type of gamers and map makers that they are. I was concerned that a group that was more slanted towards create&distribute of UGC (User generated content)would mess up the game for those that are more interested in create&play.

So I agree where Igame3d is going. Developers have to take fans and fanboys ideas with a grain of salt. It's not that people don't have good suggestions, It's that they believe that their suggestions represent everyone or that theirs are the only ideas that counts because of the number of hours played or that they have been playing since the first game or for what other delusional reason that some gamers come up with to claim that that they have the right to dictate to the artist how the art should be made.

Developers need to put surveys on the game disc and get a good cross selection of feedback. Until the it will just be hit and miss for developers when listening to critics and fans.

CaptainDEEZ
06-18-2011, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Pacient.cz:
Its really smth special to see that some people just cant get rid of FarCry in their blood and keep hope for better tommorow (btw. nice to see you IceT-Bag ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif ) and its of course good idea schooko http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Lets hope that someone on the "other side" listen/think/care http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Hey Pacient,
How do I sign up on http://www.farcry2.cz/ ?
I keep getting a 500 error saying something about the htaccess file.

schokoo
06-19-2011, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by CaptainDEEZ:
I didn't even know there were still that many clans playing Far Cry 2.
I can think of a few more clans from the PS3 version that you don't have mentioned here:
Clan:
CDG (http://cdeezgames.com/index.php#16)
FCMAPS (http://fcmaps.com/news.php)
OnR (http://www.oldnrubbish.co.uk/)
B3E (old website is gone, there's a new (http://b3yond-elite.motionsforum.com/) one that I don't think is used)
Here's the B3E Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/B3yond-Elite/359808949324)

I would like to see a forum that Ubisoft actually implements ideas from.

Sry, that I only propose PC-Clans.
In our PC-Community the named Veteran Clans, are really in a permanent conversation.
If it is at PS3 Community the same, that is nice to hear, but mabe it would be better to seperate our wish for a discussion with UBI-developers, by the platforms.
So HERE 1 threat for the general wish, but hopefully later 2 differnt dates with the developers.
Manly we are interested in the Multiplayer issue. ( I guess)

CaptainDEEZ
06-19-2011, 08:01 AM
Isn't the game made on the PC first, and then made for the consoles after?
What better place to discuss this then, than this here topic you made?

I did notice that Ubisoft has taken their map lookup thing down yesterday. Or was this just moved? ..(or is it being updated?)..
Does anybody know another database where you can look up maps from all 3 platforms?

If the PC requirements aren't too high on Far Cry 3, I will be getting it on all platforms this time around.

Ceciiik
06-19-2011, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by CaptainDEEZ:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pacient.cz:

How do I sign up on http://www.farcry2.cz/ ?
I keep getting a 500 error saying something about the htaccess file.

Website is running normally.

zeeEVIL1
06-20-2011, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by IgniterRC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zeeEVIL1:
Actually igame3D, they did in fact implement a few of our suggestions. In the case of the editor, it was a solid improvement.


They may have implemented a few suggestions, but I don't believe that the focus group that Ubi formed represented all the ideas that the community had. Most of that group from the 360 side are on my friends list and I know the type of gamers and map makers that they are. I was concerned that a group that was more slanted towards create&distribute of UGC (User generated content)would mess up the game for those that are more interested in create&play.

So I agree where Igame3d is going. Developers have to take fans and fanboys ideas with a grain of salt. It's not that people don't have good suggestions, It's that they believe that their suggestions represent everyone or that theirs are the only ideas that counts because of the number of hours played or that they have been playing since the first game or for what other delusional reason that some gamers come up with to claim that that they have the right to dictate to the artist how the art should be made.

Developers need to put surveys on the game disc and get a good cross selection of feedback. Until the it will just be hit and miss for developers when listening to critics and fans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Igniter, I am one of those guys on your friends list who was also part of that focus group.
Everything we suggested, was directly taken from all of the Editor wish lists on here, FCMaps, FarCry Maps and the other PC sites.

They only implemented a few things in the tools area and a couple of functions. But as I said, they didn't ever bother to interact with us. It was a year of 12 people sitting in a private forum going "Hey! Wouldn't this be cool!"

H84Gabor
06-21-2011, 04:08 PM
What's been discussed through the official forum has been reported (as far as I know correctly), so they must know everything already.
The question is, How much will they implement?

legacyzero
06-21-2011, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by H84Gabor:
What's been discussed through the official forum has been reported (as far as I know correctly), so they must know everything already.
The question is, How much will they implement?

annnnnnd you know this HOW?

H84Gabor
06-22-2011, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by legacyzero:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H84Gabor:
What's been discussed through the official forum has been reported (as far as I know correctly), so they must know everything already.
The question is, How much will they implement?

annnnnnd you know this HOW? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1; To some degree it makes sense, doesn't it? (At least to my mind.)
2; Once on FC2 forum the admin noted at the and of a discussion something like this: "I'll put it to my report."

But obviously, isn't it why official forums are? By monitoring it they can absorb useful information such as feedback and to some extent I'm sure that's taken into account with regards what they'll do next.
Admin, Am I right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ceciiik
06-22-2011, 04:43 PM
Again, this post ignores Ubisoft.
As always.

FlyNChipmunks
06-28-2011, 02:34 PM
And what would you consider VETERNS?

I would call Clans Veterns. Anyone can pick a controller up and run and gun. I would think the actual really GOOD map makers would be the people to talk to. They are the ones that know the game machanics better than the actual person who plays the games and doesnt experiment with the editor and what the actual limitaions to your charater and his or her enviroment. Not Clans. I havent herd of Clan matches since Halo 2... LOL

schokoo
07-04-2011, 04:19 PM
well- when i wrote down this offer to UBI ...
I ment the PC Platform, because, that is the only 1 i am used to.
So in the PC-Platform we still have this great Community, and all the named Clans have their Mappers ...
In the Clanīs we test the map before we publish it, even with foreign clanmember. there are already some map made by 1 Clan from US, that were finished or polished by Clanmambers from a German Clan (or other ways arround).
Thatīs for the Map oppinion
The major focus is on the Multiplayer in/out put ...

neokinesis
07-04-2011, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by FlyNChipmunks:
And what would you consider VETERNS?

I am sure they are already talking to and interpreting the ideas of the FC Fans. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Unfortunately, it not always about making the old fanbase happy. I know that FC3 has the potential to be a lot more than FC or FC2, and the business strategy, as horrible as it is to say, needs to be about attracting new players and getting them to stay. But... I think that is pretty standard for growing any business.

I am familiar with the FC community and love making maps for it's players. The best I can do for now is continue selling the idea of the game and editor to people I believe will enjoy it. The game is a long way out and there are many impressive titles fighting for the limelight. The best that most of us can do now, is keep playing, and continue making maps.

I would love to volunteer some time for Ubisoft behind an NDA to discuss ways I could make better maps but they have designers too, getting paid just like me to come up with new ideas. I think it is a challenging but rewarding business strategy to build hype around using the communities support to make a better game but I already do that.

I mostly like the underlying theme of the FC3 trailer, being about giving someone the same thing over and over and expecting them to act differently. But I think that isn't always true. I believe people can react differently to the same situation when knowing different things. Imagine how hyped the communicate could get if a classic FC1 or FC2 player made favorite made it into the FC3 regular playlist. Game design is often a lot of newly paved adventure, but occasionally, it is also important to look back and see how something can be recycled to give it new meaning or purpose. I think the FC3 developers are hoping for the same thing, afterall it appears we are returning to the jungle again.

surfer123321
07-07-2011, 04:42 AM
Just an FYI, 80% of the TAW FC division has now resigned and moved to a clan called Tree House Killers due to an internal conflict in TAW.
Almost all members will be coming back to play FC3 (myself included) on its release, but would also be very happy to do this if it happened.

We can now be found here: http://treehousekillers.net/

Thanks!!
THK_Surferboy

xsquirrelstewx
07-09-2011, 10:07 AM
@OP: I like where you're coming from, but know that one could log 500 hours of play in Far Cry 2 and still be an idiot.

A noob could still provide useful ideas.

schokoo
09-13-2011, 07:20 AM
well - we are still playing FC2 - but no1 ask us from UBI so far ...

xIxNxSxAxNxEx
09-13-2011, 04:24 PM
That would actually be dangerous. because some people who play FC2 are COD fans. LOL

Mata7LAP
10-25-2011, 05:00 PM
GOOD IDEA schock, SUPPORT, AND WE ARE HERE www.awz.c.la (http://www.awz.c.la) http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5343/mata72.jpg

JewelThief
10-27-2011, 08:36 AM
Good idea, but from experience Ubi has nothing to do with the clans. Why? Don't know, considering it's the clans that organise the tournaments. There are plenty of new players still arriving on the servers, with some of them looking to be in a clan for potential FC3 tournaments. What's stopping you, Ubi? Why don't you get the clans involved?
C2A.JewelThief www.calltoarms.net (http://www.calltoarms.net)

The4orTy67
10-27-2011, 09:50 AM
Whoever Ubisoft is talking to at the moment, I hope someone tells them to include tree cutting.