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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 04:19 PM
I started thinking. After the smoke went away and the extreme heat left my head, I came here to ask you guys: about how much would it cost to restore a plane? Something like a Spit or Mustang? If you have any links to people who do it thatd be great too.

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 04:19 PM
I started thinking. After the smoke went away and the extreme heat left my head, I came here to ask you guys: about how much would it cost to restore a plane? Something like a Spit or Mustang? If you have any links to people who do it thatd be great too.

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 04:23 PM
At the absolute, and I mean absolute, minimum - at least $500,000.

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 04:33 PM
yup,

I've been interested in working on an Me109, and MINIMUM price for the airframe was around $50,000 - $100,000, depending on the condition. After that comes the engine...again, according to recent figures around $150,000 - $300,000 US for a DB601 or DB605...then you have to re-build the thing. For a Messer at least $1,000,000 US. Complete Mustangs go for around $1,000,000 so you can imagine that the costs in making the thing were probably about the same.


Try these:


http://www.warbird.at/englishversion/engl_market/engl_wbmarketwanted.htm

http://www.warbirdsite.com/index.html

http://www.panamajacks.com.au

http://www.mysteryaire.com

http://www.barnstormers2000.com

http://www.aircraftparts.com

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 04:36 PM
Holy cow thats insane...I never expected it to be THAT much...

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 04:43 PM
And those are the most common, so parts for them are not so hard to find. But imagine a very rare bird, or reconstructing the dangerous experimental engine of a Komet. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 04:54 PM
confederateairforce.org is a group that restores them. They have a b-29 superfortress named Fi-Fi that I once saw and was for a long time the only one that flew. If you are interisted, you can join the group and help, or donate.

As to the popular ones, Mustanges go for several million, not one. (They are popular for airracing.) The Spit is likely the second most expencive, as to the 109, it's priceless. You CAN yet certein post war models for much less, but you will still be atleast withen 5 figures, but those tend to be flyable as is.

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 05:17 PM
Hey Mik!

check this site out for info on a company that restores Spitfires....

http://www.historicflying.com/content.htm

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 05:27 PM
I have been kicking around the idea myself of buying a reproduction P-51 someday. They are considerably less expensive and are built to exact specifications of the originals. I saw and add in Aero-Trade not long ago for a full bird with Merlin and all, just minus the guages , radio and GPS for $180,000.00 USD. To me that is a steal, even though it is not an "original", heck it's still a P-51! A little paint, get those most important electronics, register it and build yourself a small hanger on a strecth of land and you would still be looking at way less than $500,000.00 USD for that(Of course depending on where you live, I can buy land down here dirt cheap). That is more than likely how I will retire. Of course you would have to be mechanically inclined and do almost of the work yourself. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 05:32 PM
Irish_Mik wrote:
- I started thinking. After the smoke went away and
- the extreme heat left my head, I came here to ask
- you guys: about how much would it cost to restore a
- plane? Something like a Spit or Mustang? If you
- have any links to people who do it thatd be great
- too.

I have no idea what it would cost, but these guys would

http://www.planesoffame.org/Restorations.htm

They have been restoring WWII aircraft for over 50 years. They have the only WWII ZERO that is still flyable with the orginal power plant, and they have all kinds of WWII and KOREAN aircraft in the musem that are still flying.



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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 08:55 PM
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I have been kicking around the idea myself of buying a reproduction P-51 someday. They are considerably less expensive and are built to exact specifications of the originals. I saw and add in Aero-Trade not long ago for a full bird with Merlin and all, just minus the guages , radio and GPS for $180,000.00 USD. To me that is a steal, even though it is not an "original", heck it's still a P-51! A little paint, get those most important electronics, register it and build yourself a small hanger on a strecth of land and you would still be looking at way less than $500,000.00 USD for that(Of course depending on where you live, I can buy land down here dirt cheap). That is more than likely how I will retire. Of course you would have to be mechanically inclined and do almost of the work yourself.
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What is that? A P-51 made after WWII/Korea or is it a kit that you have to build yourself? I think that would be a more feasable option for a lot of people /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 12:35 AM
Some were produced after the War by different companies through license agreements until like the 70's. Also you can buy kits as well as far as I know. All I do know is I will own one someday. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 12:40 AM
Eagle_361st wrote:
- I have been kicking around the idea myself of buying
- a reproduction P-51 someday. They are considerably
- less expensive and are built to exact specifications
- of the originals. I saw and add in Aero-Trade not
- long ago for a full bird with Merlin and all, just
- minus the guages , radio and GPS for $180,000.00
- USD. To me that is a steal, even though it is not an
- "original", heck it's still a P-51! A little paint,
- get those most important electronics, register it
- and build yourself a small hanger on a strecth of
- land and you would still be looking at way less than
- $500,000.00 USD for that(Of course depending on
- where you live, I can buy land down here dirt
- cheap). That is more than likely how I will retire.
- Of course you would have to be mechanically inclined
- and do almost of the work yourself. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
- ~S!
- Eagle
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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 12:44 AM
i would say go the guys at the confederat airforce ..now the commerative airforces (pc reasons) those boys know there stuff if you do this i ask you to please keep us infomed on your progres.....good luck

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 05:42 AM
check this site, they have brand new FW 190 and Me 109 Airframe parts for sale, prices are very reasonable for what they offer.

http://www.flugwerk.com/

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 07:14 AM
The best way to get a real warbird such as a Mustang, Spit, Fw 190 etc if your not a multi-millionaire is to form a group of like minded people who are serious about it and not just day dreamers.
So my question is who is serious about it and which of those have engineering backgrounds or flying backgrounds and which would be happy to own a piece without having to fly it or work on it?


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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 07:49 AM
Eagle_361st wrote:
- I have been kicking around the idea myself of buying
- a reproduction P-51 someday (...) for $180,000.00
- USD.

Are you thinking of adopting a son? I'm 32, you don't have to worry about School or University. You just have to put me in your last will, and take my tea, ah yes, this tea of mine will make you relax a lot...

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 08:18 AM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- Eagle_361st wrote:
-- I have been kicking around the idea myself of buying
-- a reproduction P-51 someday (...) for $180,000.00
-- USD.
-
- Are you thinking of adopting a son? I'm 32, you
- don't have to worry about School or University. You
- just have to put me in your last will, and take my
- tea, ah yes, this tea of mine will make you relax a
- lot...
-
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
-- Dux Corvan -

Sorry I am 28, but I am already planning and saving for this. So hopefully when I retire I will be able to not only afford to do it but also enjoy flying it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 08:36 AM
Can I adopt you then? You should make a life insurance. Those P-51 could dangerous to fly... But don't worry, I'll enter the hangar and check it before your flights... son. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 04:47 PM
http://www.loehle.com/

These guys sell replica(ish) kits....

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 04:52 PM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- Can I adopt you then? You should make a life
- insurance. Those P-51 could dangerous to fly... But
- don't worry, I'll enter the hangar and check it
- before your flights... son. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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Dux,
Sorry you will have to fight my Wife for the Life Insurance policy and money. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif But you are more than welcome to come fly her when I get it, I was always the sharing kind when it come's to my toys. Now my Wife and Beer on the other hand is an entirely different story. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 07:22 PM
A rebuild of an old spitfire is a bit of a falicy, Trent Aero did one near me and the only original Aircraft structure in it was one leading edge and the data plate, everything else was new

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 08:17 PM
You can buy a brand new Yak-3 for about $350,000. Made today by Yakovlev, they use Allison V-1710 engines (Allisons are still redily available and not that expensive). I'd be happy with one of those.

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 08:27 PM
There are a number of resoration/sales facilities that specialize in old warbirds. Here are a couple off the top of my head:

http://warbirdadventures.com/page11.html

http://bobhannah.com

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 09:16 PM
LilHorse wrote:
- You can buy a brand new Yak-3 for about $350,000.
- Made today by Yakovlev, they use Allison V-1710
- engines (Allisons are still redily available and not
- that expensive). I'd be happy with one of those.

Me too.Lets start a group.20 shares at $18000 each.
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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 09:27 PM
You may just want to buy an airworty plane, or tray the 3rd world countrys, there was a woman who bought a cuban 46 plane bi plane, for about 5,000 dolars

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 09:28 PM
Russian big fat biplane, only one motor but realy big, desing for droping trops

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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 09:39 PM
Aztek_Eagle wrote:
- Russian big fat biplane, only one motor but realy
- big, desing for droping trops
-
No, its got to be a WW2 fighter for me.



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XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 09:54 PM
Something that rarely gets mentioned in these discussions is that there are still a good number of airframes to be exploited out there. I read an article (I think in Airpower magazine) about a bone yard in Israel that had a number of Spits, Mustangs, a couple 109s, MiG 15s and 17s lying around. Not to mention a bunch of other military and civil types that are long out of service. All just sitting out in the nice dry desert air waiting for someone with the money and skill to restore them.

Reciently, an Emil was discovered in a salvage yard in, of all places, India. So, who knows what is sitting in somebody's barn or back lot somewhere?

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 07:32 AM
I've got a real problem, just restored a Zero to factory new condition...and now it won't fit through my basement doorway..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

jba

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 07:48 AM
And to think that in 1964 my father bought a Vietnam era P-51 (yes, they used them in Vietnam) for $500.00 U.S. Then, we converted it for use as a duster, complete with different cams, reduction gears, props, S.T.O.L. kit and spray kit for another $3,000.00

I wonder what the Federal Land Bank got for it at auction in 1977?

T_O_A_D
08-26-2003, 11:14 AM
This has long been one of my dreams aswell. Look at theis link for all kinds of goodies.

http://www.homebuilt.org/index.html

I once looked into the Stewart p-51 its a 3/4 scale with a nascar v8 in it. $235,000 US just for kit. Out of my price range. I looked into Loehle and war replicas and a few others. I think Ill get land and a building first to build in then see from there. Still it is defently in my goal list.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 12:40 PM
Heres some food for thought.. After WWII, you could get many of these birds for simply the cost of the scrap metal.. $500 or so...

Its not until much later that they became valuable..

Even now you can get old milatary stuff fairly cheap, but keeping this stuff flying is what eats you alive...


Why not just build your own flying replica? Thats what I'm doing... That will only set you back $15k or so...

I'm doing a composite 60% scale one, but eventually would like to do a 75% or so scale all metal one..

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T_O_A_D
08-26-2003, 12:44 PM
Spinnetti wrote:
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- Why not just build your own flying replica? Thats
- what I'm doing... That will only set you back $15k
- or so...
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- I'm doing a composite 60% scale one, but eventually
- would like to do a 75% or so scale all metal one..


How about some pics of your project?
I once was involved in a Yahoo club for Loehel builders but it just go tso frustrating reading all that and not being able to get involved.


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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 01:33 AM
T_O_A_D wrote:

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- How about some pics of your project?
- I once was involved in a Yahoo club for Loehel
- builders but it just go tso frustrating reading all
- that and not being able to get involved.


I just took a pic of the unskinned bird in the garage.. I'll get some pics up pretty soon.

I'm pleased to say that the visibility of my FW190 isn't too bad... Not great, but not as bad as I feared.

The Loehel is pretty cool, but not as scale in anyway as the W.A.R. Birds...

BTW, if you are still interested in the Loehel, there is one here unbuilt that is going cheap! - ITs the P51 version..


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