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Chuck_Older
02-04-2006, 04:03 PM
Well, I still love WWII flight sims, and I had the original BoB, so I knew what to expect

A couple thoughts:

1) I had forgotten about the Feel of the sim as a game. It's immersive from the word 'go'. like it or hate it, the sim delivers on feeling. It's everywhere. From the menus, with short movie clips, to the landscape, which isn't the best quality graphics-wise, but feels cohesive, whereas FB's always seemed to be one of "islands" of population stranded out in the middle of nowhere, on every map. Menus are easy to identify, and although some of the interface could be simpler and more self explanatory, it's pretty straightforward. landscape gives you an 'at home' feeling, because there's nothing glaringly 'off' about how the landscape is presented. You can also ID ground objects in time to recognise what they are.

This type of Feeling is not that difficult, especially on menues. Oleg and Co., maybe learning from this type of thing is a good idea? the Il-2 series has always lacked a good user interface in most player's opinion

2) Flight. Well this is important, eh? Should I gently suggest the FM feels similar in a lot of ways to 4.02? Control response is not as crisp in BoBII:WoV as it is in 4.02. But it's Global, not just for the player, and may be more realistic in my opinion. Flight feels pretty good to me...FB still has a better feeling of 'weight' to the aircraft, but in BoBII:WoV, I had to actually throttle back to do a bottom half of a loop, or else I used up waaaaay too much altitude. I can't say I disagree with this. However, I saw the AI do some things that frankly I am suspicious about, such as seemingly stop in mid air, pivot, and roll away in a dive.

As in real life, that maneuver gets the AI shot down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif, and I obliged the AI four or five times. Hey, I didn't ask it to do this stupid thing. the AI level was "poor", as I was getting used to the sim interface and flight commands via the keyboard. maybe the AI isn't doing dumb things like this at higher levels. But chasing the AI Bf 109 around was fun, and the differences between it and my Spit Mk1 were very apparent. He dove away twice, I couldn't follow.

As an aside, I am underwhelmed by not being able to use all the aspects of my X-45 in-game. Trims have to be set to rotaries/axes apparently, in BoBII:WoV. A bit annoying, FB/PF does this MUCH much better

3) Stability. I have had two play sessions, and two lockups, both after I adjusted settings in-game. This apparently is a known issue, and is addressed in the latest patch, which I will be getting

4) online play: None? Seems to be none

5) mission builder: None? Seems to be

6) Quirks: The padlock drives me NUTS. It uses an odd camera view trigger, in which it reverts to outside view if the enemy is behind you. Bleeech. Also, it seems to incline and rotate your head, and this disorients me if there is no cockpit bracing to be seen

Overall: Fun. But even though it's fun, it shows it's age, much more so thatn FB/PF. It lacks some things, and does other things well

Oleg's BoB has little to fear from BoBII:WoV, although I'll be honest: I like BoBII:WoV pretty well. But i can see from the potential of what was learned through Il2/FB/PF, that Oleg's take on the Battle of Britain has the potential to absolutely dwarf BoBII:WoV. BoBII:WoV is an update of a good sim, but *only* that. The sky looks lovely though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV
02-04-2006, 04:26 PM
A pretty fair assessment.

Jetbuff
02-04-2006, 04:42 PM
Chuck, thanks for posting this. I've been considering getting BoBII just to experience 6DoF. Still undecided I'm afraid; the 'lack of weight' feeling in particular sort of reminds me of the rather nauseating feeling I got the first time I flew in CFS3. Then again, I'm getting the latter (for free... wooohooo!) again to try OFF. (again, just to test 6DoF)

I guess what I'd like to ask for is a clear verdict, from either of you or SeaFire since both of you seem to fly sims for about the same reasons I do. Is that possible?


PS: I'm probably one of the few people who actually like FB's menus! Nice and uncluttered, almost spartan... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

F0_Dark_P
02-04-2006, 04:48 PM
i played it yesterday and i like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif though it have some buggs, it is a good game and i just love the early plane set's of Battle of Britain, but my rigg suckz, i only get like 23fps on it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but i will try it out on my friends new comp soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

btw Chuck what do you have for spec on your rigg? and how well can you play it? i have a P4 3ghz 1gb ram and a radeon 9800pro card

do you think i can play it on high settings if a get a new card like a x850 or geforce 6800? or is my comp to out dated

ARCHIE_CALVERT
02-04-2006, 05:02 PM
What, no pictures... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Any body worth their salt shows some pictures when they discuss a sim... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I€m so disappointed in you, how could you leave them out€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Jetbuff
02-04-2006, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
... but my rigg suckz, i only get like 23fps on it...

... i have a P4 3ghz 1gb ram and a radeon 9800pro card...
OUCH! I only have a 2.4Ghz P4 and a 9700, not even a pro model. Methinks this one's out of my league if that 23fps is true.

Chuck_Older
02-04-2006, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
Chuck, thanks for posting this. I've been considering getting BoBII just to experience 6DoF. Still undecided I'm afraid; the 'lack of weight' feeling in particular sort of reminds me of the rather nauseating feeling I got the first time I flew in CFS3. Then again, I'm getting the latter (for free... wooohooo!) again to try OFF. (again, just to test 6DoF)

I guess what I'd like to ask for is a clear verdict, from either of you or SeaFire since both of you seem to fly sims for about the same reasons I do. Is that possible?


PS: I'm probably one of the few people who actually like FB's menus! Nice and uncluttered, almost spartan... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

hey, tell us how OFF is!

I'll tell you why I like BoBII:WoV the most:

This is how I felt when I had a new sim when I was younger, like Red Storm Rising, or Silent Service, or Aces of the Pacific:

I'd load up the game, and while it was loading, I'd read the manual, which took longer then, but the manuals were better and took longer to read anyway, so long load times weren't an issue. I think I loaded BoBII:WoV in about 4 minutes. If I recall, the multiple discs from AoTP took about half an hour http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif But anyway, when I got home with BoBII:WoV, it was the same thing- I couldn't wait to play, but I had to look through the manual. I had all day to get set with it, and I took my time. I'm still lost of course

I really haven't had a PC sim make me feel that way since the '80s I think. I love FB, but it didn't make me love it right from the beginning, because some feeling outside of the sim itself is really missing. BoBII:WoV has that feeling.

FB and PF do a lot of things better than BoBII:WoV. But all sims can't do everything right, at least yet. What BoBII:WoV does for me, that is better than FB or PF, is make me feel a part of the mission, before the mission. FB and PF do a good job of that while IN the mission, but immersion is really, really lacking outside of gameplay, and BoBII:WoV has that both in AND out of the flight aspect

BoBII:WoV is an update, and it can show it, but FB suffers from some Il-2-esque troubles too, like not being able to warn your flight leader of enemies

Each has strong and weak points, but BoBII:WoV offers me something that sims did well when actual game-play wasn't the best- provide a great gameplay package that doesn't neglect atmosphere when you're NOT in the cockpit

It will not be a popular sim because of no online play I think, though. If a sim needs that to 'hook' a player, so be it. they dropped the ball on BoBII:WoV in this respect- I haven't seen any evidnece of online play..not that it matters to me personally


FB's menus are uncluttered...but they expect you to know what they do, and they are boring. Once you learn them, it's no trouble. BoBII:WoV's menus are exciting without being gaudy, as they show short flim clips during the menu screen. I had forgotten about them, a really nice touch.

F0_Dark_P
02-04-2006, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
... but my rigg suckz, i only get like 23fps on it...

... i have a P4 3ghz 1gb ram and a radeon 9800pro card...
OUCH! I only have a 2.4Ghz P4 and a 9700, not even a pro model. Methinks this one's out of my league if that 23fps is true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>that is really true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif and this is on medium settings http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif BoBII really eat's my comp to lunch

Chuck_Older
02-04-2006, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
What, no pictures... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Any body worth their salt shows some pictures when they discuss a sim... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I€m so disappointed in you, how could you leave them out€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Don't know how, yet. Give me a chance to actually do something a take a screenie. So far I've shot down four or five enemy AI, and buzzed an airfield, and cracked up a Spit Mk1 on final approach. I have my hands full remembering keystrokes for flight, I don't even know which button takes a screenie yet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
02-04-2006, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jetbuff:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
... but my rigg suckz, i only get like 23fps on it...

... i have a P4 3ghz 1gb ram and a radeon 9800pro card...
OUCH! I only have a 2.4Ghz P4 and a 9700, not even a pro model. Methinks this one's out of my league if that 23fps is true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>that is really true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif and this is on medium settings http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif BoBII really eat's my comp to lunch </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh...maybe I haven't seen enough planes all together yet to notice, but I'm having no trouble, I can just get away with 'perfect' in FB

ARCHIE_CALVERT
02-04-2006, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
What, no pictures... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Any body worth their salt shows some pictures when they discuss a sim... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I€m so disappointed in you, how could you leave them out€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Don't know how, yet. Give me a chance to actually do something a take a screenie. So far I've shot down four or five enemy AI, and buzzed an airfield, and cracked up a Spit Mk1 on final approach. I have my hands full remembering keystrokes for flight, I don't even know which button takes a screenie yet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cheers bud... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-04-2006, 05:29 PM
Jetbuff::
OUCH! I only have a 2.4Ghz P4 and a 9700, not even a pro model. Methinks this one's out of my league if that 23fps is true.
Stop! The fps is artificially limited to around 30fps, or it was some months ago. Ask SeaFire. Your rigg *might* approach the Other's rigg performance. I downgraded to 9200 and StrikeFighters is much the same as my olde 9800Pro, SF is older grafix, and it makes me wonder, the newer cards are not that much "faster" but instead add New Features which the older sims don't have, so older card may works somewhat as good as Fancy new card -- for old sims that is. Not sure, czech the BoB~2 forums and see what riggs they are running.

SeaFireLIV
02-04-2006, 05:34 PM
Ah, the fps thing. It really is a long story, but I think BOBwov`s fps meter is broken. I have a pretty good machine and with everything on full I`ll get around 25-30 fps with nothing around! But then i`ll fly against 100 plus bombers and the fps is still the same.

Switch off the FPS meter and the sim feels a lot faster, more like 40 fps than 25-30. I don`t pat any attention to that thing at all.

As for my take, well it`s pretty much as Chuck older said. it has bags of immersion, loads of radios chatter including tactical waffle when one spitfire Squad meets another. You can talk to your wingmen much more: ie "how much fuel left?" "test guns" "Tower do you have any trade for me?" etc, etc. really the speech is MUCH better than the sterility of FB, it`s refreshing.

Sounds are excellent, especially when you fly among the realistic puffs of flak smoke trying to hit the bombers and one comes a little too close - it will make you jump! I also watched bombs hitting the docks as I was fighting 110s and I saw the little flashes then smoke from 30000 ft! It felt and looked realistic.

And it`s a persistent world, the longer you hang around the more can happen. You can spend half an hour chasing bombers and dodging 109s and bump into ANOTHER 50 bombers after them escorted by another 20 fighters! It can feel overwhelming.

Cloud fighting is excellent and adds a level of reality that FB sadly fails on. You`ve got to try it as playing hide and seek on multiple cloud levels with a 109 is something else.

But...

It fails on some aspects. the sound is suspect on flybys as 109 sounds appear sampled, sometimes cutting off. you can HEAR
(?) your bullets hitting the enemy 109 - this for me kills the immersion. I think they do it for gameplay, but I don`t see why when the rest of it feels pretty authentic. I wish i could turn this off. It`s just illogical to hear bullets hits over your Merlin engine and other sounds.

AI is quite good at times, but will sometimes just blow the whole thing by doing strange things. Sometimes a fleeing 109 will `bounce` its way away from you. I asked about the realism of this, but no one on the Shockwave forum appeared to want to answer the question. Sometimes a 110 or 109 will jump sideways 20feet or so in a truly unreal manner, forcing you to make a new flying line. The closest i can compare it too is lag online.

People complain about AI in FB, but when you compare the smoothness and precision of FB with the slight `iffiness` of BOBwov`s AI, you start yearning for FB. Fb`s AI does everything smoothly and realistically.

Anyway, if you can pretend not to notice that, the sim can become very real and feel like you`re part of a dynamic world where you are trying to prevent the Germans from taking Britain - Or change history by getting troops into london by Christma!

Whatever, it`s still on my harddrive and way better than CFS3, which is saying something.

Saunders1953
02-04-2006, 05:57 PM
Does it have the Avenger flyable? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chris and SeaFire, your reviews compare with James Dietz's from several months ago, and he had his patched up and some of the issues you mentioned, Chris, were addressed, IIRC. Hmmm, three fellows whose opinions I respect alot on these forums. Man, you guys are making it hard not to go out and get it. I understand the campaign aspect it great, too, and with the sounds, 6DOF, and everything else you have mentioned on the good side, I'm sorely tempted.

Do either of you play it extensively--can you see yourself playing it say even 25% of the amount of time you spend with Sturmo several months from now? The reason I ask is that I bought Brothers in Arms and Silent Hunter III last year, and although I had fun with both, especially SH III, I never really spent more than a week with BIA and only slightly more with SH III, because the siren song that is IL2 kept pulling me back. I'm addicted to that. So I don't want to have BOB II be another glorified coaster.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Chuck_Older
02-04-2006, 06:00 PM
More reports from Fighter Command http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Well, here's a screen:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/WOV1.jpg

I am sliding into the spot, recently vacated by am He 111, which I raked from wingtip to wingtip in a truly satisfying manner [edit, wrong screen! This one shows the sheer number of planes in the sky!]...I saw it's wing come off, and it rolled over into a death dive.

I then immediately over-stayed my welcom, and caught some lead

here's where the trouble started...any time you get damage to a wing, it seems, you must trim right away. OK, fine, that is reasonable. But the trim is listed as "aileron trim up" and "aileron trim down" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

As i pondered this turn of events, I ws using opposite rudder to fly staright, and my hands were doing what- in FB at least- would rectify the problem

And then, the CTD http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Err...ok, same mission...hard lock while i was in a spin

BoBII is not stable at all, it seems. I will patch to current version and then report

vocatx
02-04-2006, 06:05 PM
A friend of mine that I fly on-line with quite a bit bought BoB II a couple of months ago. His opinion was pretty much what Chuck's was, but he told me that for the money, he would advise me to just wait for Oleg's BoB. I don't think he's touched it in some weeks now.

Regarding OFF:

I still had my CFS 3 coasters...um...discs on the shelf, so I installed it on this computer. I CAREFULLY followed the installation instructions, and I had no problems.

I enjoy OFF over all. I haven't put but about six hours stick time into it in about two months, though. I can't figure out how to get on-line to fly against other people, and that would really make it better for me. The aircraft look awesome (they're not all finished yet), ground detail is decent, clouds look great, effects over all look pretty good.

I have a lot of fun getting behind another aircraft and watching the puffs of dust as my rounds hit, and setting the canvas on fire looks neat. I have only done "Quick Combat" so far. I haven't tried a campaign yet.

If you have CFS 3 laying around, download and install OFF. It's a nice change of pace. I still can't wait for the one based on the IL-2 engine, though.

Chuck_Older
02-04-2006, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Saunders1953:
Does it have the Avenger flyable? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chris and SeaFire, your reviews compare with James Dietz's from several months ago, and he had his patched up and some of the issues you mentioned, Chris, were addressed, IIRC. Hmmm, three fellows whose opinions I respect alot on these forums. Man, you guys are making it hard not to go out and get it. I understand the campaign aspect it great, too, and with the sounds, 6DOF, and everything else you have mentioned on the good side, I'm sorely tempted.

Do either of you play it extensively--can you see yourself playing it say even 25% of the amount of time you spend with Sturmo several months from now? The reason I ask is that I bought Brothers in Arms and Silent Hunter III last year, and although I had fun with both, especially SH III, I never really spent more than a week with BIA and only slightly more with SH III, because the siren song that is IL2 kept pulling me back. I'm addicted to that. So I don't want to have BOB II be another glorified coaster.

Inquiring minds want to know.

It won't take the place of FB for me, once I get the stbility under control. But I can see really liking it for some time to come- IF -I can get the stbility under control. In all these years of Il2 and FB/PF, I have had exactly one lock up playing the sim...and I've had thee hard locks and one CTD with BoBII in one night http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I'm not writing the sim off, but it is food for thought

trumper
02-04-2006, 06:24 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I also have it and enjoy flying for it's own merits.In some respects il2 is better BUT this can and should be making Oleg sit up and think hard about his B o B sim.B o B WOV 11 has some fantastic sounds,the interactive cockpit is great fun,prop pitch forward,turn on fuel,prime fuel to engine,magnetos on and start her up,WOW.
The developers are also VERY hands on and will willingly explain things,[a bit like Oleg from many years ago].
Updates are being brought out all the time,i feel it is well worth having on your H/Drive to compliment F/B. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jetbuff
02-04-2006, 06:57 PM
That is true Chuck. FB's stability out-of-the-box is always underplayed. Afterall, it's only when things go wrong that we notice. It's surprising that a 'bug' in an FB patch is at worst funky AI behaviour, questionable FM or a missing LOD while other offerings often come with show-stoppers.

Frankly, I expect I'll try both OFF and BOB just for a change of pace but I kid you not that I am absolutely terrified of install headaches, CTD's and the like. I suspect that I'll lose interest very quickly if I encounter any.

F0_Dark_P
02-04-2006, 07:03 PM
ok thanx i will check the BoB forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ,but another question..

what model of the 109E are in the BoBII game?

vocatx
02-04-2006, 07:22 PM
Unlike, it seems, everyone who has tried BoB:WoV, I haven't had a single CTD or lock up with OFF. Just make sure you read the FAQ and follow the instructions on installing TO THE LETTER. As far as I know, almost all the problems most people have with OFF is caused by not following the instructions.

Also, I don't care how big a pixel eating monster your computer is, you will have to tone down the video settings. They made OFF scale-able. Top settings are for CPU/video card combinations that don't even exist yet. If you can run PF on perfect, then start with ALL sliders set to "3" in OFF, then start tweaking from there.


You also might want to check their forum out over at SimHQ.

panther3485
02-04-2006, 09:01 PM
Sorry, but WTF is OFF?

Is this an add-on for BoBIIWoV, or for CFS3?

panther3485

LEXX_Luthor
02-04-2006, 09:05 PM
Over Flanders Field, a CFS3 mod that's pretty advanced I hear.

Gold_Monkey
02-04-2006, 09:58 PM
Taking down a Fokker triplane in OFF MP. Ooh, should I be posting a MS screen shot in a PF forum? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/Brass_Monkey_/Fokker.jpg

knightflyte
02-04-2006, 10:04 PM
I bought BoB WoV several weeks after it came out.

I agree with the acessment of it being pretty immersive...... BUT...(there's always a but)... CTDs haven't been corrected....at least not completely.

The AI does sketchy things like Seafire mentioend. It's funny you'll be chasing an enemy and he zooms up 15 feet in a microsecond.
HUH?

I have Track IR 1 (well no Track IR now, but that's a different story) and it wasn't supported very well in the game. If anyone had Track IR with the original IL2 you remember how difficult it was to keep centered. (Hey the TIR is 3years old so I don't think I can expect it to work as well as TIR 3 or 4 would)
BoB's pan and tracking view is disorienting.


I did like aircraft behavior. Torque on take off is a BIOTCH... and adds to the challenge.

AA flak will induce deficating trouser terror. It's loud.Just a bit more to add to the immersion.

You can also micro manage your cockpit and instrument panel, though to be honest I've not rried it, myself.

I don't think you can go wrong by picking BoB WoV up at your local EB, or Comp USA. It's probably already reduced in price and is a decent addition, though in no way a serious contender against FB/PF.


I'm not flying anything now because of my dead Track IR. I'll be picking one up in a little while and then I'll gladly put BoB in a better perspective with 6DOF.



OFF is a great little mod for CFS. With regard to settings and display options, many even run it in 16 bit as opposed to 32 bit.

Prop_Strike
02-04-2006, 10:26 PM
What do you guys think of the 6DOF in game?
I love it - once I tweaked my profile.
I especially like the way you can bring your head forward to zoom in!
Surely FB+AEP+PF could have this axis included. I know enabling 6DOF is a no go because of the need to redo cockpits etc., but couldn't zoom be incorporated?

Bongokid
02-04-2006, 10:34 PM
Just two thoughts from a sim lover but a very bad pilot:

- BOB2 WoW feels more 'scary' than IL2. You're easily lost in clouds, then you have a sight of 20-30 planes, don't know where you're mates are (yet they shout in the radio), ok you choose one then you get the 'one in your six' radio yell, then you loose sight of anything again in the clouds...sweaty palms each time I play...

- on the FPS thingy, there have been many threads on simhq and the official forum about that. the conclusion is mostly that FPS are not a good index of fluidity in that game. As far as i remember, many reported that also they had FPS in the 10-20s they could still play OK.

ok a last one : the guys playing that game and active on the fora are the most helpfull i've seen on any game forum. just check some threads asking for help.

Cheers,

Bongokid

panther3485
02-04-2006, 11:13 PM
Thanks LEXX_Luthor, Gold_Monkey and knightflyte.

Anyone got a quick link to download OFF ?

It seems like something I could enjoy, as I got CFS3 almost two years ago, but have hardly played it so far. (Liked the visuals but the FM felt like flying a cork on the end of a piece of coathanger wire!)

When I was a CFS2 player (which had better FM than CFS3 IMHO), I bought Just Flight's 'Combat Aces' add-on. It was OK but I was disappointed at the lack of follow-on support for the product. There was a patch for one issue, then.... nothing (or for as long as I was prepared to wait, which was many months, there was nothing.) AFAIK, the 'planes dropping out of the sky for no reason' bug was never fixed.

[IMHO, this genre is screaming out for a really good WW1 sim, with good FM and up-to-date graphics. But that's another story.]

From what some of you guys have been saying, I think I might buy BoB2. For whatever issues it may have, it still seems the best option if I want to fly an enjoyable and immersive BoB campaign. The last time I had that experience was with EAW.

Oleg's BoB should most certainly be better, but it's a fair way off yet. So, as a BoB enthusiast, I'll get whatever fix I can for now!


Thanks and best regards,
panther3485

Deedsundone
02-04-2006, 11:55 PM
Over flanders field link:
http://off.oldbrowndog.net/downloads.htm

And for whatever it is worth,a 109 chase in BOB 2.
http://media.putfile.com/BOB-2-WoW

panther3485
02-05-2006, 12:26 AM
Thanks, Deedsundone,

Downloading as I write!

Best regards,
panther3485

madsarmy
02-05-2006, 01:43 AM
The one thing that shines in bobWOV is getting shot down by a fighter/s that you never saw. This never happens in FB as you always get warning when they are about 3-4mins away. Wov has the advantage of surprise.
The control set up is frustrating as said before is not that HOTAS friendly.
WOV is greatly improved over the original & Shockwave have worked hard on it.

but it's just not
Maddox.
Enough said!

msalama
02-05-2006, 04:25 AM
Hmmm... I've been thinking of buying this sim after seeing it in a downtown shop for 40e or something. Now should I?

The most important thing for me are the FMs... not that I'm be capable of telling if they're 100% spot on (or not), though I can of course notice if something's _badly_ off... but how are they in BoB/WoV?

F0_Dark_P
02-05-2006, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Deedsundone:
Over flanders field link:
http://off.oldbrowndog.net/downloads.htm

And for whatever it is worth,a 109 chase in BOB 2.
http://media.putfile.com/BOB-2-WoW wish it could flow that good on my comp http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif , but nice movie and i really like that crash!, way better effect's on that one then in il2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

SeaFireLIV
02-05-2006, 05:31 AM
Yea, the crash effect is nice, but I wouldn`t say it`s necessarily better. The crash will always be generally the same, but in IL2 I`ve seen AI planes belly land, hit the ground with one wing, roll over several times before coming to rest then exploding, or not exploding and the pilot jumping out and running off. The sweetness of IL2 is AI planes can crash in an infinite amount of realistic ways. I still have yet to see any other sim manage this multiple real-time damage/crash effects.

I forgot to mention BOBwov`s CTDs. I had very little compared to others, but it can be annoying and come at the most worst of times (like when you`re bearing down on 50 He111s).

I did just recent format my PC and installed and patched BOBwov. First big mission it CTD which has put me off it for now, but I do still keep it and will go back when I can be bothered to figure out why it crashed this time.

Yes, FB has not CTd on me since early days and this was only due to memory errors on the Leningrad map.

Aaron_GT
02-05-2006, 05:58 AM
I still have yet to see any other sim manage this multiple real-time damage/crash effects.


Janes WW2 Fighters is much the same. And apparently it was an influence on IL2.

gbollin
02-05-2006, 08:23 AM
The best thing about BOBII is the
documentary DVD on the Battle of Britton
that came with the game.

Chuck_Older
02-05-2006, 09:17 AM
I'm getting horrible CTDs, and I've patched up BoBII:WoV to the latest version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

knightflyte
02-05-2006, 09:21 AM
I forgot to mention that, gbolin. Good point.
BoB does come with a nifty DVD.

Imagine a DVD of the Battle of Lenningrad from IL2? That would be cool.

knightflyte
02-05-2006, 09:23 AM
Have you checked out Shockwaves BoB forum Chuck.

Many report that their problems have been cured with the latest patch.

I stopped at .2
I think they released version .3

Also Sim HQ has a BoB WoV forum too.



D'oh! EDIT:

I shoulda paid better attention I see you have latest version.

trumper
02-05-2006, 09:43 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifWrite to them on Sim Hq or shockwave,they will do their best to help you.
http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f..._point=0;DaysPrune=0 (http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=130;hardset=0;start_poi nt=0;DaysPrune=0)

jds1978
02-05-2006, 12:28 PM
those massive bomber formations look fantasic as does the landscape!

Kapteeni
02-05-2006, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I'm getting horrible CTDs, and I've patched up BoBII:WoV to the latest version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif It happens all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

ploughman
02-05-2006, 02:15 PM
In know it's a generic CFS3 dial, but I find it amusing that the OFF speedometer goes up to 700+mph.

SeaFireLIV
02-05-2006, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
In know it's a generic CFS3 dial, but I find it amusing that the OFF speedometer goes up to 700+mph.

Yes. It`s things like this that really make me wonder about CFS3 flyers. I thought flight sim enthusiasts were sticklers for accuracy, but time and again with games like CFS3, I see people ignoring obvious faults, then they turn around and crucify FB for slightly iffy FM, DMs and airspeeds that are a couple of miles off the real thing!

Targ
02-05-2006, 02:25 PM
Hmm, looks like something the 1% bunch needs to look into http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MB_Avro_UK
02-05-2006, 04:23 PM
hi all,

I hate the sound of my rounds hitting the target...blink blink etc....very arcade.

I also end up with no PoV.

And also CTD. And bomber formations seem to fly as if they're glued together.

Apart from that,the sim is ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

vocatx
02-05-2006, 06:30 PM
Actually, the guages you are seeing are analogous to the speedbar in FB/PF. I fly OFF at "Full Switch", and there are still a couple of items I haven't figured out how to get rid of yet, but those guages were the first to go, along with the icons.

The cocpits are well modeled with authentic looking guages. You might want to check out their website so you know what you are talking about before you start flaming anything. I said before, it's not FB/PF, but it's a huge step up from CFS 3.

BM357_TinMan
02-17-2006, 11:43 PM
Oh my

That CFS3 screenie takes me back man....

Godly1
02-18-2006, 02:15 AM
Im not a regular to the forums until recently and have a question. I have seen a few references to "OFF". What exactly is that?

knightflyte
02-18-2006, 04:42 AM
OFF if a Comabat Flight Simulator add on. It stands for 'Over Flanders Field.'

It was made by a bunch of rather enthusiastic WWI fans. It's free, but you MUST have CFSIII installed. In it you'll fly WWI biplanes. It's not too shabby, and adds a bit of life to a dead CFSIII.

Here's a link to SimHQ's OFF forum:

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=148


In the OFF essentials topic you'll find all you need to know, including where to download the FREE OFF mod.

Again, you MUST have CFSIII tomerge install OFF.

panther3485
02-18-2006, 05:30 AM
Hi Godly1 and others,

Downloaded OFF a little while ago (see previous post this thread) and have just started playing it. Must say I'm reasonably impressed so far. Will get into it more deeply, I think.

BoB2 WoV is currently retailing here for $89.95 (Aust). I'm teetering on the brink of buying it but sort of hoping the price may come down a tad. At least OFF was free!


Best regards,
panther3485

Hurricane_320
02-18-2006, 05:37 AM
What's BoB? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Chuck_Older
02-18-2006, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Hurricane_320:
What's BoB? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Four "BoB"s exist

There is a quiz later on, so eyes front and no talking http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

1) Battle of Britain (also called "Rowan's Battle of Britain "): WWII flight simulation from 2000, made by a defunct software company called Rowan.

2) Battle over Britain: Static campaign for this sim made by Poymando and Extreme One. Recently voted best Campaign, by this community

3) Battle of Britian:Wings of Victory~ an update of Rowan's battle of Britian. this is what the thread was about. I have posted a screenshot of this sim. Much better in many ways than the original, but seems very buggy, unfortunately. graphics are good, but not as good as FB/PF. Personally I think the atmosphere of that sim is superior to this one, but when I CTD every 20 minutes, it becomes an exercise in patience, which I have a short supply of

4) Battle of Britain:Cliffs of Dover (working title)~ the sim that Oleg maddox and 1C:Maddox Games are currently developing. You have some inkling of BoB:CoD development in your FB/PF if you're up past v4.01, as some (small) elements of how that sim will interpret flight model data has been introduced to this sim, as a test. NO part of this sim will be compatible with BoB:CoD. None. Not planes, not maps, not nothing. New sim engine