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blairgowrie
05-24-2005, 08:31 AM
I am looking to hand over my Samsung 19" 191T LCD monitor to the missus and she will pay for the cost of a new one for me.

I saw that Samsung have just released a new model 193P+ which has a contrast ratio of 1000:1 and a response time of 8. You can see details here. Sounds awesome!

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=DE19PS&selTab=Specifications

Anybody have any comments or other recommendations? CRT is definitely out.

Slechtvalk
05-24-2005, 08:41 AM
I'm thinking of getting a new lcd myself and a good friend of mine got this monitor which is really great!
http://www.nec-display-solutions.co.uk/coremedia/generator/index,realm=Products__Details__Main,spec=x__uk__en ,docId=101934,type=all

Otherwise I would pick the Dell 20 inch wide screen (Dell 2005FPW. Wide screen and il-2.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Freelancer-1
05-24-2005, 08:50 AM
This is my gaming monitor. Definitely worth a look
http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=CADHS1&sku=320-1578&category_id=4009

If you mix this with a Radeon X850xt PE, your rockin'.

sunflower1
05-24-2005, 09:13 AM
Good morning BG, funny you'd post this, I am shopping too, but I was thinking I was looking for a CRT! Are you ruling out a CRT due to size or eyestrain? One of the things I've noticed is that the dot pitch of some fairly expensive flat panels is still .294 while you can get down to .20/.25 with a CRT.

I play on a flat panel now. Last week I viewed an advertisement image I see regularly, on somebody's cheap CRT, and I realized I'm just not seeing the same colors and detail that a CRT produces.

Worf101
05-24-2005, 09:15 AM
Another vote for the Dell. I got the the Dell Ultrasharp 2005FPW 21-inch wide panel LCD for a great price on the Bay. It saved me cause my eyesight was/is failing but now I can still fly as this LCD is so big as to allow be to pick out something at a distance. Can't recommend it any higher...

Da Worfster

blairgowrie
05-24-2005, 09:49 AM
Some good stuff here guys. I tried a couple of the links you posted and found them to be a little short on technical details but I will do further searches to see if I can get exact information to compare.

Hi Sunflower. The reason a CRT is out is because my computer is set up in our living room and my wife draws the line. She will accept a LCD but not a CRT (and forget rudder pedals even although I have to put up with her mother when she visits).

I also saw a Sony LCD and although it is a little pricey it does have a brightness factor of 450 versus the 250 with the Samsung. I don't really know how important that is but I expect it would help in finding ground targets.


http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10056513&catid=22334

blairgowrie
05-24-2005, 09:54 AM
okay was able to get full details on the Dells and the NEC stuff. All the ones mentioned look very good.

Jungmann
05-24-2005, 09:54 AM
Schlectvalt: I got the NEC 1970GX a week ago and very happy with it. But a few cautions.

It seems to only like to run at its native resolution, 1280x1024. Anything lower and the image degrades. That's higher than the highest game settting in IL2setup--you have to go into config.ini and rewrite the specs.

The high res makes my puter labor--P3 2.4, Raedon pro, half a meg RAM. Getting some stutter. May go up on the RAM, or maybe the monitor is a little too much for my CPU.

But in terms of eye candy--primo!

Cheers,

taisto_s
05-24-2005, 11:07 AM
I dont know how much you are willing to invest on a tft, but if you want a really "perfect" visual quality a 20" panel designed for graphical work is the way to go. I use a Formac panel, and the quality is totally different compared to those weak samsung,nec..whatever panels. You will get saturated colours, pinpoint sharp images + no more than one dead pixel. I have compared the 2010 platinum panel to hundreds! of modern screens and only stuff like Eizo,Lacie...are equal on quality. It even looks much better than those apple widescreen that are selling for much more money.

The grayscale reproduction is very good, really close to the best crts. Only the pixel on/off time is a bit slow, but all the other benefits make it a no problem. And it looks good, a nice design piece in your living room.

just a recommendation from a xtra happy user.

Jumoschwanz
05-24-2005, 12:14 PM
I just went from a good crt monitor to the Dell 2001fp.

First the reduction in eyestrain is amazing. I used to find myself looking away from the crt when something was loading. THe lcd does not bother my eyes at all, like looking at a photo album.

At first I was worried the picture quality was not going to be up to par. I was running an ATI9800pro. I got an X850xtPE, and the picture quality improved greatly. The combination of the 2001fp and the x850xtPE is way better than my old crt. I can see much better now, planes against different backgrounds and such. And dots at a great distance are easy.
No ghosting problems here. The new video card seemed to make things that much better too.

I got the Dell 2001fp because someone I respected and knew on HL a long time got one first and said it was good.
THe 2001fp is 20.1" corner to corner, bigger than my old 19" crt by quite a bit. THe response time is advertised as 16ms.

Looking at monitors this size with this response time the Dell was the best deal in it's class at the time I bought it, at less than $600. Two friends and I bought three at once from dell and got free shipping too.

My monitor does not have one dead pixel on it. Of my two friends, one found one dead pixel. Not a bad batting average. Most places that sell lcd monitors will not replace them unless they have a number of dead pixels, a good thing to look into.

So I am happy. My eyes have it easy, and the performance with PF is better than with my old setup. The x850xtPE really brought the new monitor to life, so if you don't like what you see at first, think about springing for a new state of the art video card too. This new card is the single biggest improvement in performance I ever saw for this sim with switching one piece of hardware.
S!

Jumoschwanz

sunflower1
05-24-2005, 12:27 PM
Yes, a CRT and rudder pedals seems to be a line in the sand of some sort!

sunflower1
05-24-2005, 12:31 PM
I just looked at the 2010 Formac.... its native resolution is 1600x1200!!! Maybe one of those and a 24 pipe card when they come out.....

WWSensei
05-24-2005, 01:15 PM
I have the DELL 2001FPW 20.1-inch and love it.

slarsson
05-24-2005, 02:19 PM
The Samsung 213T is a 21" LCD.
Runs at 1600x1200 and I'm very pleased with mine

http://www.samsung.ca/cgi-bin/nasecabc/en/b2c/product/product_detail.jsp?LoginFlag=NO&prod_path=%2fConsumer+Products%2fComputers+%26+Rel ated+Products%2fMonitor%2fLCD+-+Digital&prod_id=NB21BSAS

arcadeace
05-24-2005, 03:01 PM
I have an older 17" NEC MultiSync I bought a couple of winters ago. It has 12 response time which was tops then and a contrast ratio and brightness of 250 I think. It goes to 1280x1024 but to get good fps I lower it to 800x600 with no degradation in quality. I went into CompUSA and compared them all side-by-side and my eyes couldn't tell much of a difference, my main concern was response time. I actually have to lower its gamma intensity, its too bright, and the contrast is great. At this point I think any reputable brand with a solid warranty would do. If I bought a new one I wouldn't concern myself to spend money on the best specs, I would never notice the difference.

-HH-Quazi
05-24-2005, 03:15 PM
I think I'll get a 52" flat panel wide screen and hang it on the wall in front of me and connect my video card to it. HEHEHE

FI-Aflak
05-24-2005, 03:52 PM
I recently purchased a Hyundai L90D+

Editor's choice for the 8ms panels from Tom's Hardware Guide.

Excellent screen. It uses the same LCD panel as the Samsung but THG found the Hyundai had better uniformity with brightness and the Sammy panel had some quirks.

I highly recommend it, its fantastic.

bought mine from Newegg.com, no problems, arrived a day early, no dead pixels. Such a fantastic screen, I love it.

plays IL2 fine, too.

blairgowrie
05-24-2005, 05:12 PM
I am now settled in my chair with a scotch close by and can review this thread in comfort. Some great input and I won't move quickly without considering all your comments and recommendations.

I am just about to upgrade to an AMD 4000 chip and have also decided to get a Ati 850XT video card. I really wanted to wait until the 512mb cards came out and the dual core chips were available but if I am still around this time next year and "the game" demands it, I will upgrade again then.

For the time being I would really like to get a monitor that enhances my game enjoyment. After I finalize your recommendations, I will head off to the stores to see for myself.

And I like your point Ace. If you can't tell the difference visually what's the point of spending the extra cash. As always your insight is incisive and welcome. I do wish you would join our group for a couple of fun missions.

And Quazi, if you do get a 52" jobbie, I will send in the auditors.

I am really intrigued by the Formac panel and the Sony unit I posted about earlier. But I am still open minded about the others mentioned. I have definitely moved away from the Samsung units.

blairgowrie
05-30-2005, 12:13 PM
I went to look at LCD's yesterday and finally settled on the Sony HT95S after comparing it to all the others in the store. The brightness is outstanding and now I can see ground targets for a change.(Still can't hit them of course!)

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&...10056513&catid=22334 (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10056513&catid=22334)

Thanks again for all your advice. It really helped me narrow down my options.

Taylortony
05-30-2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I went to look at LCD's yesterday and finally settled on the Sony HT95S after comparing it to all the others in the store. The brightness is outstanding and now I can see ground targets for a change.(Still can't hit them of course!)

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&...10056513&catid=22334 (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10056513&catid=22334)

Thanks again for all your advice. It really helped me narrow down my options.


I hope its wind and waterproof when you are sitting up on the top of your Broadband mast with it plugged in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

blairgowrie
05-30-2005, 03:45 PM
I thought you might like that tower TT.

What a difference in on-line game play with a high speed connection.

bolillo_loco
05-31-2005, 05:48 AM
are you aware that you can pick up 21" Dell P-1130 (sony trinitron flat screen CRT) with a 20" viewable screen for under 200 dollars shipping included at ebay? this is what I use and most monitors are in like new condition and function as well as a brand new one? My oldest CRT is a 21" dell D-1626D trinitron visually flat monitor manufactured 11/98. I am the original owner of this aging monitor and it has been used 12 hours a day everday since I bought it in december 1998. It works just fine and even the LCD fans comment on it when they see it.

Peacemaker_PL
06-02-2005, 03:37 PM
Hi all.
If I can write any advice...
First off all You should know somethink about diffrences on LCD panels (I mean - there are diffrent technology).
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html
Secondly - visit this forum - http://www.hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78
You will find there almost everythink about Dell and every other LCD's (Sony, NEC, Samsung, Hyundai, etc, etc, sometimes i got a feeling, that this forum is sponsored by Dell ;p )
If You are looking for a good LCD monitor, check this :
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=780004&highlight=mini-review
great one ! It use the same panel that Dell 2001FP and NEC 2080UX+ (my favourite - the best LCD ever - Q is superb!)
and this is what i'm using (56@k warrning)
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=869306&highlight=mini-review

my advice - try to get something on S-IPS panel, 20'' or 21'' (if Your setup can handle 1600x1200 native res) or if You are a rich guy, buy one of the 24'' Dell 2405 (1920x1200) or Sony (i don;t know waht is that model) or maybe Samsung 243T. All off them are "wide view".

It only my 0'2 cents...

greetings,

Peacemaker.