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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:53 PM
Is there anyway to lock the Trim in position once you have it where you want it, I've noticed from external views that the Rudder moves when i move the Trim control but when i let go of the Trim control the Rudder moves back to neutral & i have to Trim all over again, Is there anyway to hold the Trim in place (especially the Elevator Trim so my He-111 does'nt lose altitude while on the Level Stabilizer).

"An attack against a unit of Flying Fortresses was something like controlled suicide...Sometimes 50, Sometimes 80 machine guns were firing at you... You attempted to close your eyes & continue to fire, Frightened to death, Frightened to death."

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:53 PM
Is there anyway to lock the Trim in position once you have it where you want it, I've noticed from external views that the Rudder moves when i move the Trim control but when i let go of the Trim control the Rudder moves back to neutral & i have to Trim all over again, Is there anyway to hold the Trim in place (especially the Elevator Trim so my He-111 does'nt lose altitude while on the Level Stabilizer).

"An attack against a unit of Flying Fortresses was something like controlled suicide...Sometimes 50, Sometimes 80 machine guns were firing at you... You attempted to close your eyes & continue to fire, Frightened to death, Frightened to death."

Oberst Johannes Steinhoff (176 kills)

michapma
09-01-2003, 12:03 AM
There is no way to not do what you are asking. When you set the trim it holds it there. However, from your post I am not too sure that you are using trim controls as you might think. When you adjust elevator trim, it should have no direct effect on the rudder position. It will affect the elevator position. It is more likely that you are giving in a direct elevator control than an elevator trim control. For example, pressing the down arrow will give you full elevator deflection, but pressing Ctrl+down arrow will dial in 1 click of trim. You need to click several times to get an appreciable amount of trim.

To learn more about trim, click on the link in my sig (user's guide) and download the PDF file on that site (look for Download in the menu). The guide is incomplete, but there is a chapter on the basics of flight, and a section on trim. More interesting still might be the section on angle of attack.

Cheers,
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:10 AM
I don't use the keyboard for trim i have it mapped to a hat switch on my Throttle (maybe thats the problem), But it's definitly Trim i'm using, Thanks for the PDF file.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:44 AM
Michapma,

Nothing happens when I click on the image to download the users guide...what's up?

AFDiamond

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:44 AM
Get an X45 stick with thrim on the rotaries. As long as the knob is turned to whatever position it will stay there until you change it. I know...I have stalled out on several occasions trying to avoid a bandit after i forgot to reset my trim.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:37 AM
michapma wrote:
- There is no way to not do what you are asking. When
- you set the trim it holds it there. However, from
- your post I am not too sure that you are using trim
- controls as you might think. When you adjust
- elevator trim, it should have no direct effect on
- the rudder position. It will affect the elevator
- position. It is more likely that you are giving in a
- direct elevator control than an elevator trim
- control. For example, pressing the down arrow will
- give you full elevator deflection, but pressing
- Ctrl+down arrow will dial in 1 click of trim. You
- need to click several times to get an appreciable
- amount of trim.
-
-

I remapped my controls so the UP/DOWN arrow is Elevator Trim & LEFT/RIGHT arrow is the Rudder Trim, But even with this the same thing happens i press say UP arrow & the elevator keeps moving it does'nt stop so i end up gaining altitude, I thought one keystroke equals one movement of the Elevator trim & then it does'nt move.

"An attack against a unit of Flying Fortresses was something like controlled suicide...Sometimes 50, Sometimes 80 machine guns were firing at you... You attempted to close your eyes & continue to fire, Frightened to death, Frightened to death."

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michapma
09-01-2003, 10:15 AM
Acme70, that is really strange. It still sounds like for whatever reason you are getting the normal keyboard control for the elevators. What should happen when you click once for trim is that a small change in the position of the elevators take place. What it does is it holds the stick in a new position. If you are flying along without touching the stick and click trim, then you should only get a slight change in the aircraft's attitude. If you watch the stick while dialing in elevator trim you can notice a slight change in the position of the stick. When you start a mission the airplane is usually trimmed for near-optimal climb rate. I find I usually need to dial in 10-20 clicks in order to trim for level flight at full engine power. In any case you should not get full elevator deflection when you give one click of trim, that is what happens when you press the assigned key for (keyboard) elevator control.

Without sitting down at your computer with you, it is hard to tell just what can be done to fix it. This probably won't help, but go into the controls section again and make sure that you gave the key assignments where it says "Elevator trim positive" and "Elevator trim negative." There is also a key assignment for "Elevator trim neutral," which will set the trim to the neutral position.

Trim is important, so I hope you can sort this out.



AFDiamond, I don't know what the problem could be. Just to make sure you are on the right page, here is the download page for the guide:
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/download.htm


If that image really doesn't work (it does for me), here is a direct link to the guide, you can right-click and choose save as:
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/downloads/il2guide.pdf


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Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

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Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 04:59 PM
Your right Michampa, In addition to remapping the keyboard Trim controls (to just up/down/left/right arrows) I remapped the Trim controls on my Throttle, I Mapped them to a new Hat Switch, The old hat switch was more like a mini joystick maybe this was why the trim kept moving, I think the Trim works right now.

"An attack against a unit of Flying Fortresses was something like controlled suicide...Sometimes 50, Sometimes 80 machine guns were firing at you... You attempted to close your eyes & continue to fire, Frightened to death, Frightened to death."

Oberst Johannes Steinhoff (176 kills)