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Swivet
12-29-2004, 08:49 AM
Is there any reference? i'm sure there is but where, and is it a good source. Or any ideas on to what i should have guns\cannons set at.
I was using Bearcats advice of 190-250m, but is there something more official or a listing somewhere.


Thanx

LStarosta
12-29-2004, 08:57 AM
LoL, there is no "official" convergance.

Bearing in mind that you should get as close to your target as you can before opening fire, try to fly around and remember where you start opening fire. You shouldn't open fire before 500 meters, and for accurate shots you should probably wait until 300 meters or less. Keeping that in mind note your shooting habits and adjust your convergance. If that works for you, great. If not, experiment with another setting. In some planes such as the Fw190, many suggest setting cannons to 700 meters and MG's to 400-500 meters. This is due to the 190's "broadside" positioning of its guns and the manner in which 190's are usually flown (boom and zoom, with limited firing opportunities). Just practice and experiment.

I along with JG7_Rall, as did many aces, set our convergence to r0xx0rz meters. Fact.

Fish6891
12-29-2004, 09:03 AM
lol, I thought I knew how to use the term r0xx0rz, but it seems I don't. Please, enlighten this dimwitted fish, define r0xx0rz.

"set our convergence to r0xx0rz meters. Fact"........?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

aerick2
12-29-2004, 10:52 AM
It's partly a matter of style and partly dependent on what aircraft you're flying.

When I'm flying something fast enough to close in on most enemies, I set my convergence to 150m.

If I'm flying something slower like the IL2, however, I increase the convergence distance because I probably won't be able to get very close to any bandits.

Swivet
12-29-2004, 11:54 AM
Thanx, LS

Every aircraft is different and depending on what type of guns or ammo they are using, would the convergence be different for each a/c? Or is it based on speed closure and aoa. Not every WW2 pilot would say their convergence is the same. I mean if you took a P51 and a FW190, what would those convergence differences be? I guess what i'm lookin for is a data sheet on gun ranges for the a/c of this game.

Ok now which one is cannons and which is guns,,,, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Aight tx all
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ZG77_Lignite
12-29-2004, 12:41 PM
The most basic requirement of 'guns convergance' has nothing to do with aircraft or gun types, and everything to do with the Pilot. You should set your gun convergance for the range you most commonly shoot at.

For some historical instances, gun convergance varied wildly (as it does for players in the sim). US fighter pilots varied from 100-300 yards (meters), some FW190 Bomber interceptors may have used up to 600m on their cannons (with 300m for rifle caliber cowl guns). I believe I read Eric Hartmans (Bf109) guns were normally calibrated for 150m. But again, the most important part of guns convergance is at what range the pilot prefers to pull the trigger, be it in-close or out-far.

No gun convergance is perfect, just the same as any gun convergance can be effective. Save a few tracks of your normal combat style, then watch them with the icons (distance in kilometers) turned on, and take an average of the distance you normally shoot at, Thats your gun convergance.

dieg777
12-29-2004, 01:21 PM
check this out
http://www.airwarfare.com/tactics/tactics_fwgunnery.htm

look for address for sniper corner in here this should help you

LStarosta
12-29-2004, 03:28 PM
It also depends on what you want to do with the guns. The reason I set the cannons on my Fw190A to 700 meters is because in a hit and run or a snapshot type encounter, you cannot perfectly lead your target and you want a degree of dispersal. Contrary to popular belief, the MG151/20 is a very effective weapon. Having had my convergence set to 400m for guns and 700m for cannons, I was able to deliver lead all over a Spitfire as it entered my gunsight. This was just about a 90 degree deflection shot in the vertical. One reason for my success was that the Spitfire was slowing down as it zoom climbed nearly vertically, which left him in my line of fire for a much longer time than a standard snapshot. I was flying straight with a slight 20 degree bank to the left as he was approaching near-vertically from below and to the right. I anticipated his position and got aligned my gunsight accordingly by pulling up and to the left just a bit. I opened fire and due to my high dispersion, cannon fire raked the Spitfire all across the board; he had holes in both wings, one aileron missing, and his elevator shot up, not to mention engine damage. Had I had my dispersion set to 150 meters, my chances of hitting him were slimmer because I didn't actually SEE the Spitfire as it was about to enter my gunsight. I opened fire on him far before I could see him because I had to lead him "blindly" by estimating his position. The extra dispersion allows for atleast some of the rounds to hit the enemy aircraft, if not all in one spot.

LStarosta
12-29-2004, 04:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
lol, I thought I knew how to use the term r0xx0rz, but it seems I don't. Please, enlighten this dimwitted fish, define r0xx0rz.

"set our convergence to r0xx0rz meters. Fact"........?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike a certain fool who calls himself Sir.Robin, I do not divulge the secrets of teh r0xx0rZ111!

TangmerePhilipp
12-30-2004, 02:45 AM
BTW, wasn't there a program that would help you with convergence, deflection etc, where you inputed your speed, your targets speed and aspect?

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
12-30-2004, 03:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
lol, I thought I knew how to use the term r0xx0rz, but it seems I don't. Please, enlighten this dimwitted fish, define r0xx0rz.

"set our convergence to r0xx0rz meters. Fact"........?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Unlike a certain fool who calls himself Sir.Robin, I do not divulge the secrets of teh r0xx0rZ111! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif shhhhh ixnae on teh r0x0rz aye

VK_Dim
12-30-2004, 03:45 AM
I use 100m for MGs and 120m for cannons.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
12-30-2004, 03:58 AM
Seriously I think the best way you can work this out is to jump into the Quick mission builder set your ammo to unlimited and make your self invunerable then go up against 16 109's or whatever you feel you will run into the most and practice the hell outta it. Now don't just use the fact that you have unlimited ammo as an excuse to just blast away willy nilly ,take your time set up your shots and limit yourself to quick squirts. Try setting convergence to 150 meters and work your way back from that too around 275m or higher. Just remember online the enemy bullits will hurt and you will run out of ammo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif