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CaptainFlunky
10-25-2004, 04:49 PM
Just throwing it out there. I ask because although I think AEP/PF is the money, it does seem sorta dry at times to me. For me, Red Baron II is still the most immersive sim of all time, especially with all the user created add ons and mods. Every squadron had its own paint scheme, same with the aces. Transfers, intro of new equipment. I think it was also the fact that it was just so seemless and continuous if you know what I mean, you joined at a specific date and thats it, you fight until the war ends, your dead, captured, or maimed. I still have it on my hard drive, but it's not really the same as the old days.

ashley2005
10-25-2004, 05:09 PM
microsoft flight sim 2004 so much to do so little time.. has good lessons on there that teach u a lot about planes and how to fly and stuff

glottis77
10-25-2004, 05:21 PM
Falcon4. It really gave me the impression to be a tiny part of a huge operation. The greatest jet-sim ever.

fordfan25
10-25-2004, 05:27 PM
super mario kart on the snes. although i still say DKs cart was way over moddled

Weather_Man
10-25-2004, 05:29 PM
FS2004. I just learnt how to navigate with the VOR and made my first ILS landing in poor visibility with the Cessna a couple of hours ago, without using the GPS. That was fun! It's all starting to make sense to me know. I've never been more immersed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Coinshooter
10-25-2004, 06:28 PM
TRAINZ. I don't really know if you would call it a sim. You build model railroads and run trains on them. I've had it for 3 years and very seldom miss a day with it. Fantastic program but it takes a lot of computer to run it.
Chuck

r0bman
10-25-2004, 06:34 PM
TIE Fighter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif best story, gave a real "Imperial" feel... and the music, of course, tops it all off.

hmmm... time to find my TIE collector's edition disk... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CaptainFlunky
10-25-2004, 06:40 PM
TIE Fighter! Yes! I played that so much I heard the MIDIs in my sleep. On a side note, I loved the original X-Wing too. It was the very first game I got for my first computer, a smoking fast Pentium 90 with a 1 gig hard drive and 8 megs of ram. I spent like, three nights trying to get it to run, but then I was playing it for months.

james_ander
10-25-2004, 06:51 PM
I don't know if this counts as a sim, prob not, but Hidden and Dangerous 2 is probably the most immersive thing I've played next to IL2.

It's just the incredible atmoshphere, mood and music, not to mention the unrelenting tension.

ScrapMetalFlyer
10-25-2004, 06:53 PM
Counter-Strike: Source. Like it or not that game is realistic.

TC_Stele
10-25-2004, 06:59 PM
TIE Fighter. Probably one of the most immersive games you'll ever find. Would you believe there's still a large group of people dedicated to the game still? http://www.emperorshammer.net/news.asp

CaptainFlunky
10-25-2004, 07:03 PM
Speaking of TIE fighter, I seem to remember a group doing a total conversion of it for X-Wing Alliance. I doubt it will be the same, even if the missions are the same. It was what was happening outside of the in-cockpit action that made it so compelling. I'll see if I can find the link.

weasel75
10-25-2004, 07:16 PM
Since when is CS realistic?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Check out Red Orchestra http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But to stay with the "sims": FS200x and my first online-flight in FB (adrenaline pure, like never felt before in any FPS).
Falcon IV nice, but in the techno-cockpit I always felt a little lonely, "B!tching Betty"
helped not much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

For flight-sims the realistic (proportional) landscape gave me always a thrill .... cities, I had been too, known coasts, mountains I climbed, etc.
Maybe thats the reason IL2/FB is "closer" to me than PF will ever be.. (or it is a thing of "first love" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

badaboom.1
10-25-2004, 07:27 PM
I loved JANES F-15,Lots of great missions,good graffics for it's time,lots to do in two push button cocpits!!!

Chuck_Older
10-25-2004, 07:29 PM
Tie Fighter?!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/BUSTED.jpg



Grand Prix Legends!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/lotussc2.jpg

CaptainFlunky
10-25-2004, 07:33 PM
Thanks for my new desktop background! And it's not the lotus.

chris455
10-25-2004, 07:42 PM
Microprose M1 Tank Platoon.

Chuck_Older
10-25-2004, 07:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CaptainFlunky:
Thanks for my new desktop background! And it's not the lotus. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol, I love that pic

Willey
10-25-2004, 07:46 PM
I read TIE Fighter??? Didn't have it... but I have X-Wing Alliance. That was a rocker. Veeeeeeeery long, brilliant SP campaign. Really good story. I loved it.

Immersive in terms of flying around and fights would be Il-2 series on top of the list.

But I couldn't stop playing RB and AotP. I didn't like AoE that much... These campaigns were just great.

jagdmailer
10-25-2004, 07:47 PM
"Secret Weapon of the Luftwaffe" circa 1990....bar none.....

I loved the part where you could specify the research facility projects and the kind of engine and airframe being manufactured in the plants.

Best was the "real" dynamic campaign system.

Jagd

hobnail
10-25-2004, 07:47 PM
M1 Tank Platoon is a goody. Also up there is Janes: Longbow2 and SWOTL (love that strategic bombing campaign).

But most immersive for me has to be the seminal Carrier Command back on my Commodore Amiga 500.

CaptainFlunky
10-25-2004, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
But I couldn't stop playing RB and AotP. I didn't like AoE that much... These campaigns were just great. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't agree more. Just for yucks I played AotP afew days ago, sort of doing a 'Pacific war retrospective' in anticipation of PF coming out. My first reaction was 'ARRGGHH! My eyes!' upon seeing the pixelated glory of graphics. Lets just say that after five minutes of nostalgia and yearning to be ten years younger, I realized that you can't go back and enjoy the things of the past. At least I can't. It got me quite depressed actually, thinking about old girlfriends, the excitement of my first real job, Christ I'm getting old! but man those were the days, there were no sites with thousands of great user made skins- you had your blue plane and you were happy with it **** it!

Hunde_3.JG51
10-25-2004, 07:56 PM
Nice James Ander, I can't believe someone else mentioned Hidden & Dangerous 2. Anyway, that gets my vote for the reasons you mentioned. Truly one of the best experiences I have had.

European Air War and Thief come to mind as well. For their time, they were pretty immersive, EAW for its briefings and scope, Thief for the first as a real "first-person-sneaker" with great atmosphere and mood.

CaptainFlunky
10-25-2004, 08:01 PM
Also Aces of the Deep. Anyone remember that one? I loved that feeling of helplessness (is that a real word?) after you make a successful convoy attack and you're running silent, you know the destroyers are coming and are going to depth charge you like crazy. It was great. Also the first Silent hunter was pretty good too.
Speaking of which, I'm getting pretty geeked about Silent Hunter III. Anyone else? At least, because it's a UBI game, it sure as heck will be out by its Feb05 release date http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Willey
10-25-2004, 08:05 PM
Thief is not a sim, but it's really immersive. I still have to play some Thief 3...

I'd also like to mention Ultima Underworld then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - **** that was a cool game back then... the first to have a 3D engine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif . That was something really special in times where other RPGs were mostly 2D, pseudo 3D, round based and so on. UW was real time and real 3D. And you had freedom, no one told you what to do. You had to find it out yourself. Everything.

Snootles
10-25-2004, 09:02 PM
I heavily recommend Thief 3. I am among the greatest fans of that series, and I personally do believe Deadly Shadows is as "thief-y" as the other two combined. What made the other games great was not compromised at all. And it's nice and long, something I love to see in games.

Mjollnir111675
10-25-2004, 09:33 PM
S! ALL,

Just thought I'd chime in with my thoughts.

I'd have to say,for me anyways,it would be Panzer Elite. Being able to send my crewmen to the rear for r&r after brewing up company after company(yeah right) of shermans,matildas,churchills and all allied armor and not having them there because some "greenie"has to learn his role while he is in "Gay Paris"!!.Oh yeah and the supply crunch imposed upon the axis really makes movement(fuel shortages) and missing with my special a.p.rounds(tungsten shortages),tank pool(manufacturing difficulties)and the inevitable recon/intel errors a factor of whether or not I can win any given scenario. And the fact that the ami platoons of 5 tanks opposed to my 4 despite quality of main gun and armor make for a real nail biting factor in gameplay.That with all ballistics,armor penetraton values,Shot damage modelling and componentry that is modeled really makes me feel that I AM vulnerable to a flank shot at 4-500 mtrs from that ronson.Let alone if a track or some essential part to moving is blasted and all you can do is just wait while your crew tries to repair as there approaches yet another ami platoon and here I am alone and out in the open!!THATS immersion for me!!I think that any game that models supply issues and such is on the right track. But as far as "IMMERSION" that has to be THE most immersive sim I have ever played.
AS for the flight sim I haven't played any others so I am at a loss.So I'll let yall fight o'er that!!Hee Hee Hee!
But I am looking forward to S.H.3 as it looks like I could suffer from claustraphobia sittin in that tube waiting for the inevitable!!


OH and who can forget the "Sherman bushes" that make you expend more than your supply of A.P. rounds until you blast yourself for crappy gunnery.If a sim drives you to read and learn about any part of the game you are playing to get an edge on(as I had done to perfect my gunnery and range finding skills for those german optics) than I would say they have made a great sim!!
But again to some "immersion" is that annoying little aspect of a game that makes it too hard and then you hear the fools cry unfair!!"What do you mean that tiger2 with an 88 can knock me out from 1400 mtrs?NO FAIR!!!! I was in a Sherman and if the allies won than that means that not only were they superior as a whole but that also my sherman should definately be able to kill that same tiger 40,000 mtrs out!!

Mjollnir

On Sleipnir for we have to crush their advance!!!

chris455
10-25-2004, 10:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CaptainFlunky:
Also Aces of the Deep. Anyone remember that one? I loved that feeling of helplessness (is that a real word?) after you make a successful convoy attack and you're running silent, you know the destroyers are coming and are going to depth charge you like crazy. It was great. Also the first Silent hunter was pretty good too.
Speaking of which, I'm getting pretty geeked about Silent Hunter III. Anyone else? At least, because it's a UBI game, it sure as heck will be out by its Feb05 release date http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm all about SHIII. Can't wait.

TonyPiech
10-25-2004, 10:21 PM
Longbow2. I'd play that sim again if I could only get it up and going on my current system. Supposedly, one can run it, with several tweaks --- but I couldn't make it happen.

LB2 had a dynamic campaign, and probably the best training modules in any sim eever created. You could really get into it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PanchoVilla
10-25-2004, 10:33 PM
ww2 online (tank battles). The game overall sucks. But the tanks are controled realisticly.

Switching gears, reload times, HE rounds, damage models, accurate lens models, trajectory, binoculors.

The only reason I played it was for the tanks. I have not seen one other game that portrays tank battles so accurately.

WilliamDu
10-25-2004, 11:05 PM
For me, Flight Unlimited 2 was the most immersive. Sometimes I would just sit inside the cockpit and listen to the rain and watch the drops coursing down the windshield. In the air, I always felt like I was flying over real terrain, and searching for the airports amid the landscape was always a challenge. Also, the ATC made you feel like your were actually being followed by somebody on radar. I never liked version 3 though.

AnaalNathrakh
10-25-2004, 11:20 PM
All the Janes sims i have to say. Man those owned all. I used to study MFDs and AGMs instead of laying on the beach when on vacation w the family when i was a kid. But especially F-15..with that great 3d cockpic AND 2d..flaying over iraq hearing the deffening boms of heavy flak. Study sims are the best..almost a dead breed. Sad.

AnaalNathrakh
10-25-2004, 11:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WilliamDu:
Sometimes I would just sit inside the cockpit and listen to the rain and watch the drops coursing down the windshield. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey..i used to do that too..just sit in my beechcraft baron, follow the watermovement and hear the ticking of the rain..awesome stuff.

Hunde_3.JG51
10-26-2004, 12:03 AM
Willey wrote:

"Thief is not a sim...."



So I guess the Hammerites and the Trickster were just some fantastic delusion of mine?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Btw, the Hammerites Hammer is overmodelled.

Shrike_UK
10-26-2004, 06:29 AM
falcon4.0

or gunship! by microprose

effte
10-26-2004, 07:43 AM
B17FF, both versions, hands down. You just felt like if you were there... which was at times not an all too pleasant experience, which means they did it right IMO.

Caring for the ten guys in the aircraft, nursing a battle-damaged aircraft home, seeing the flak form a wall in front of you and knowing that you had to go through, seeing other aircraft drop out of formation or fall out of the sky. The horrific sight of an enemy fighter curving in, leading edges lit up by muzzle flames. The sound of shrapnel drumming against the fuselage. Tip-toeing your way around known flak concentrations or interceptor bases, trying to land a stick of bombs on target with cloud cover...


Gotta 2nd M1TP, although I never used v2. V1 with the blocky pyramid mountains still outdid most of what is put out today.


Falcon 4.0 had the dynamic war which was the new standard that most developers seem to have forgotten. Not to mention good systems simulation if you are the buttonpushing type... which I am, but not when I€m flying without the proper physical interface.


Also the Lost Platoon, a little-spread game where you led a platoon in Vietnam back to friendly territory after a helicopter crash. I would so much like to find the title theme for that game!