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PhantomKira
10-23-2010, 04:59 PM
Uufflakke got me interesting in finding one, so here it is. It's all up on the web page, D/L from FileFont, too.

Webpage:

P-38 Lightning (http://www.scribd.com/doc/28639285/AAF-Manual-51-127-1-Pilot-Training-Manual-for-the-P-38-Lightning-1945)

A second one I found later (images correspond to first file):

Lockheed P-38 Lightning Pilot Operating Manual (http://www.winthrop.dk/p38op1.html)

FileFont:

http://www.filefront.com/17430...AAF-Manual-P-38.rar/ (http://www.filefront.com/17430342/AAF-Manual-P-38.rar/) 44.6mb

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(Could someone inform me as to how to resize these things? They're a bit big.)

Treetop64
10-23-2010, 07:46 PM
Just read through almost the entire manual. Amazing machine, and my personal favorite warbird!

Thanks for posting.

PhantomKira
10-23-2010, 08:07 PM
Mine too! (Well, okay, one of them. I honestly like most of them. Finding a favorite is difficult.) Tis a good airplane. I'm using this to do by the book flying. It's nice, but I find myself more and more thinking of the grand old days of Microsoft CFS2. Yes, the damage models stunk, but at least they had the option to manage your fuel. IL2 went so far in some respects, yet fell flat on it's face in others. For all the improvement in graphics, you'd think there might have been more options for creating a true simulator out of the thing. Eh, here's hoping BOB:SOW morphs into a survey sim like IL2 did, and that it's a major improvement. I'll be patiently waiting, flying IL2! (Which, by the way, I haven't touched since I discovered 109s, and then others as the add-ons came. Rather ironic.)

Luftw4ffe
10-25-2010, 01:45 AM
Hi im new to all this but i to am a budding il-2 enthusiast. i was previously playing Cfs 3 and only relised how bad it was when i bought il-2 1946. i have found myself not flying il-2s enough http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif. i particularly like flying german planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rfxcasey
10-25-2010, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Luftw4ffe:
Hi I'm new to all this but i to am a budding il-2 enthusiast. i was previously playing CFS 3 and only realized how bad it was when i bought il-2 1946. i have found myself not flying il-2s enough http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif. i particularly like flying German planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well then, welcome to IL-2, better late then never. Love the name by the way. And let me be the first to warn you IL-2 addiction though not nearly as expensive as a crack habit (though it really depends on how much you spend on your homemade simulator cockpit) may prove to be just as harmful to your family/social life if not and/or fatal. Especially if you're like me and throw yourself down the stairs every time you crash for the extra sense of realism.

P.S. Love the P-38 more almost every time I fly it. Except for when I neglect that nasty little compressing issue. It's a fantastic plane, but like so many others you have to get familiar with it's strengths, weaknesses and little quirks to really get the most out of it.

PhantomKira
10-25-2010, 01:20 PM
Luftw4ffe, sir, just about anything is an improvement over CFS3. Seriously, CFS2 was an improvement over CFS3. Yes, the German aircraft are nice, especially the color coded dials, that was just brilliant (and done in the real aircraft).

Personally, I flew CFS2 until IL2 came along, having spent about a day with CFS3 in total before pitching it. The things I really miss about CFS2 that IL2 doesn't have are the time jump ability (not just compression, like IL2, but complete skip), and the ability to do fuel management, change tanks, etc.

I can second the statement about addiction and the cost thereof. I spend wayyyy too much time flying in sims. Looking at my "wants" for home cockpit, I'm looking at almost $1000, which is over 2/3rds of what I payed for the original computer. I think to myself "2/3rds+ for interface???" That's not counting the upgrades that it'll need soon enough just to run the next generation sims.

rfxcasey, I've noticed that combat flaps on the P-38 work almost the same as "dive brakes" (dive puller-outers, morelike). Personally, I've no problem with the J and actually prefer it to the L in many cases. (Bong's Marge was a P-38J-15-LO). When I can use the combat flaps to pull out of a screaming dive without worry of them jamming, it's almost like the compressibility problem doesn't exist.

rfxcasey
10-25-2010, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by PhantomKira:
When I can use the combat flaps to pull out of a screaming dive without worry of them jamming, it's almost like the compressibility problem doesn't exist.

You're saying you can't jam the flaps? If that's true I hadn't noticed. Unless your referring to the use of analog flap control which I don't have implemented. Always put um up past about 160-180mph as a precaution though jamming them is better then dying right that instant I suppose. Though that will usually wind you up just as dead when you can't outrun any aggressors.

PhantomKira
10-25-2010, 11:39 PM
Not the combat setting, it seems. I've done dives up to 540mph on the speed bar which is well over 550mph, almost 600mph on the airspeed indicator. Of course, at those speeds, you're starting to get into the Equivalent Air Speed (EAS) area, where airspeed indicators don't read right due to shock wave formation. Oh, and the airframe protests, for some reason. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Put down the combat flaps and pull for all I'm worth and it'll come out, unless I hit that magic 545-550 mark. Then it all comes unglued in a hurry.

What do you mean by "analog flap control"? I put them down by hand, if that's what you mean, no "automatic" settings for me. I wasn't even aware there was an "automatic" flap setting modeled in IL2. Of course, should you accidentally put them down past the combat setting at those speeds, they'll jam almost instantly, at which point, as you said, you're at the mercy of anyone who happens by.

rfxcasey
10-26-2010, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by PhantomKira:
Not the combat setting, it seems. I've done dives up to 540mph on the speed bar which is well over 550mph, almost 600mph on the airspeed indicator. Of course, at those speeds, you're starting to get into the Equivalent Air Speed (EAS) area, where airspeed indicators don't read right due to shock wave formation. Oh, and the airframe protests, for some reason. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Put down the combat flaps and pull for all I'm worth and it'll come out, unless I hit that magic 545-550 mark. Then it all comes unglued in a hurry.

What do you mean by "analog flap control"? I put them down by hand, if that's what you mean, no "automatic" settings for me. I wasn't even aware there was an "automatic" flap setting modeled in IL2. Of course, should you accidentally put them down past the combat setting at those speeds, they'll jam almost instantly, at which point, as you said, you're at the mercy of anyone who happens by.

Don't know, don't use it but I thought I remembered seeing and entry in the HOTAS settings of the controls menu to assign flaps to an analog axis. Correct if I am wrong please.

I didn't know the P-38 was glued together. So I guess all those models I made as a kid were more realistic then I thought. Are the rivets just for show???

Chances are, as when I pull this is other planes, you black out half the time in which case your screwed either way but thanks for the controls INPUT....pun intended, tho it really isn't much of a pun. Why did I just sound like Jediteo right then??? That's an inside joke. Man I am like my own entertainment center! I could do this all day.

Any ways nice tip PhantomKira I'll check that out.

PhantomKira
10-26-2010, 10:40 AM
Yes, there is a HOTAS setting for flaps. I don't use it though. I only have throttle, rudder, aileron and elevator for my Microsoft FFB2. Throttle and rudder are on the stick, no separate input devices (yet).

Glue? Well, yes, that's a trade secret they like to keep under wraps. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I never have problems with blackout (until I get past horizon on the way up), but it occurs to me that I've fiddled with the input settings for the joystick, so I may not have as much control travel as you. That would explain why you black out while I don't, but it also means you might be able to get out of a situation I couldn't, or overstress the airplane in a situation where I wouldn't. Remember, blacking out does not automatically mean loss of control. There's a period where you can't see, but you're still able to control the airplane.

Currently, my input settings [Main Menu: Hardware Setup: Input] are 10-100 in 10% increments for pitch and roll and 100 across the board for yaw. Works for me, but others swear by 100 across the board for everything. Uber sensitive, I guess. Sounds nice, but it's too much for me at the moment.

DKoor
11-08-2010, 07:40 AM
Nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

Romanator21
11-08-2010, 03:07 PM
I can also attest to the P-38s combat-flaps "dive-brakes". I also prefer the J over the L.

PhantomKira
06-12-2011, 09:25 PM
I know I'm bringing up an old horse, but I found another one, and figured it ought to go under the same thread.

This link includes a downloadable .rtf (at the bottom of the page) which includes the entire document. The .rtf file is readable by most word processor programs. My computer brings it up with WordPad.

Lockheed P-38 Lightning Pilot Operating Manual (http://www.winthrop.dk/p38op1.html)

There's also a link to the contributing WWII P-38 pilot, Mr. Stan Wood, and his P-38 experiences.