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joberrick
09-11-2004, 08:41 AM
B-25 vid. (http://www.france-simulation.com) Scroll down and it should say Doolitle raid 1942.

joberrick
09-11-2004, 08:41 AM
B-25 vid. (http://www.france-simulation.com) Scroll down and it should say Doolitle raid 1942.

Ilya-Mourometz
09-11-2004, 09:12 AM
Nice vid, would like to see the landing in china

VFA-195 Snacky
09-11-2004, 09:18 AM
For those of us who can't read French can someone post a direct link please. thanks

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MEGILE
09-11-2004, 09:31 AM
Voila (http://www.france-simulation.com/download.php?did=92&clickdo=1)

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VFA-195 Snacky
09-11-2004, 09:33 AM
Thanks Megile. Got it now. Download speed is kind of low, but will tuff it out.

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MEGILE
09-11-2004, 09:41 AM
Yeah I'm only getting about 25 KB/s average... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif but its better than nothing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-11-2004, 11:03 AM
Right guys, it's not that hard to navigate a site which is written in french.

If you're looking for the download section, then look for the bit that says "telechargement". That's the download section.

I don't speak french either, and I do fine!!

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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theaircobra
09-11-2004, 01:59 PM
hey guys, i have found the file [dolittle_0001.zip v] but when i click i dont get my download box. can anybody help!

UF-Josse
09-11-2004, 02:17 PM
Try this link http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.france-simulation.com/vid/pf/dolittle_0001.zip

IV_JG51_Razor
09-11-2004, 03:23 PM
It sure would've been nice to see one of those B-25s taking off from the vantage point of one of the others sitting on the deck. I am curious to see how it looked, ie how close to the water they came before establishing a climb.

Beautiful video though, very well done.

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theaircobra
09-11-2004, 03:49 PM
hey josse. i click the link and all what shows up is a internet page thats all white. thanks anyway tho

VFA-195 Snacky
09-11-2004, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Right guys, it's not that hard to navigate a site which is written in french.

Really? I don't speak French, I speak English.

If you're looking for the download section, then look for the bit that says "telechargement". That's the download section.

Thanks for the tip, but that looks nothing like the word "Download"

I don't speak french either, and I do fine!!

What part of "I do not speak french" do you not understand. I'm happy that you are well versed in so many languages, but a few of us poor dumb rednecks only speak our native language.

_whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!_

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Rick614
09-11-2004, 04:34 PM
I know it just some video but they of course didn't take off from the Lexington. Also I counted 12 bombs being dropped. I think they only carried about 2000 lbs. or so each.

necrobaron
09-11-2004, 04:57 PM
Nice vid, but somehow I get the impression this was more of a "faux Doolittle raid". Besides what Rick said, those B-25s didn't look modified. The Doolittle B-25Bs had most(if not all) of the armament removed, including the ventral turret,IIRC. However, some had black painted broomsticks to act as fake barrels, but that didn't seem to be the case in the vid, either. The Mitchells in the vid simply look like the B-25Cs we already have. I have to admit that I find it odd that these apparently stock B-25s could take off from a carrier. I guess the FMs are still a WIP. The target also didn't really appear to be Tokyo, though the Japanese-eque landscape looked beautiful(despite the recycled Normandy field textures http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif). I think this vid was likely more for entertainment value rather than historical accuracy. IMO, it remains to be seen whether or not we'll get a real Doolittle raid scenario. Luthier said a while back that they probably wouldn't waste the time it'd take to model special B-25s which would have such limited usefulness. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Jason Bourne
09-11-2004, 06:04 PM
hmm, well im getting 70KB avg, and this raises an idea i have had for awhile, why doesnt some one make a full length parody of the movie pearl harbor (crappiest movie ever) with PF/EAP?? after all, it shouldnt be to hard..... (doesnt know what he is talking about)

...there followed one of those moments in history, the sort when the entire earth seemed to stop its spin, hearts paused, and even the people who'd been screaming their loyalty to a man already dead would remember only silence.

Fliegeroffizier
09-11-2004, 06:26 PM
ehhh...
...shows some new stuff, like Japanese style Tori (Shinto Gates) and buildings..that's neat..

Unfortunately, they didn't bother to find the "Ruptered Duck" skin over on IL2Skins.com The "ruptered duck" was the Nose-art/name of the B25 flown by Lt Lawson who wrote the book "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo" about the Doolittle Raid.

The Hornet was experiencing heavy rises and falls of its bow during the launch(due to 30 foot waves, I think)..all was Not flat and smooth.

Also, the Sixteen(16)Doolittle bombers did NOT fly in a group formation as shown in the video...they went in individually against different targets in four different cities/metropolitan areas...Flying independently, the 16 B-25s stretched out in a ragged line some two hundred miles long.
The planes were to go in as lone raiders. Three of those following Doolittle would hit the northern sector of Tokyo, three the central sector, and three the southern sector. Three others would strike Kanagawa, Yokohama, and the Yokosuka Navy Yard. The last three bombers would hit targets in Nagoya, Osaka, and Kobe.

Thus, each B25 dropped its mere four 500Lb bombs on individual targets. Nevertheless, It was an immensely heroic mission which achieved Huge psychological and indirect military success.

When I was in the USAF in later years, as a very young Captain, I had the good fortune to work for one of the Doolittle Raiders for a few years before he retired from active duty as a Full Colonel(the Very LAST of the Doolittle raiders to retire from the USAF).

Looking forward to PF immensely, and to flying a B25 off the deck... but...these UBI"demo/marketing" movies could be a lot better if ANY one of the Great FB movie-makers had been asked to be involved and produce them, both for their style of presentation/use of views and camera angles, direction of a plot/movie, and also for their renowned focus on historical accuracy. [See the Movie-Maker Forum] IMHO

[This message was edited by Fliegeroffizier on Sat September 11 2004 at 06:13 PM.]

ASH at S-MART
09-11-2004, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Right guys, it's not that hard to navigate a site which is written in french. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not sure if you guys know about this so Ill just post the link

http://www.systransoft.com/
and
http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Both allow you to type in (cut-n-paste) in the link to the sight your interested in and it will TRANSLATE the whole sight for you.. I like systranssoft better

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-11-2004, 07:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
these UBI"demo/marketing" movies could be a lot better if ANY one of the Great FB movie-makers had been asked to be involved and produce them. [See the Movie-Maker Forum] IMHO

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

These aren't UBI marketing vids. These are vids made by the guys at Check Six and France Simulation. I think they have a couple of beta testers in their ranks, and they also did a good review of the game a couple weeks back.

They are simply making these movies to show what is in PF because they want to show it off. Not coz UBI told em to.

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Fliegeroffizier
09-11-2004, 07:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
these UBI"demo/marketing" movies could be a lot better if ANY one of the Great FB movie-makers had been asked to be involved and produce them. [See the Movie-Maker Forum] IMHO

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

... These are vids made by the guys at Check Six and France Simulation.
They are simply making these movies to show what is in PF because they want to show it off.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not being argumentative....just pointing out what COULD be done...for FREE. It would take no more effort to produce a quality video showing historically correct "simulations"/"events". MOST in the FB community seek such accuracy, from FM's, to DM's, to historical bombloads...we all know that.



Meanwhile, I am Still looking forward to flying the Doolittle Raid in PF...and I thank Oleg for HIS team's effort to make that happen.

VMF513_Sandman
09-11-2004, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by theaircobra:
hey josse. i click the link and all what shows up is a internet page thats all white. thanks anyway tho<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

right click on link and click on 'save target as'. it'll download like that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

Aeronautico
09-11-2004, 08:51 PM
Don't they have the rear turret removed in the video?! I wonder whether there is a specific version implemented...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif And certainly all B-25's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif lacking any ventral turret?


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necrobaron
09-11-2004, 09:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
I am Still looking forward to flying the Doolittle Raid in PF...and I thank Oleg for HIS team's effort to make that happen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not convinced we're actually getting that scenario. I'm thinking this vid is simply the results of some Beta testers playing around with the FMB. It would explain the inaccuracies. They just took some B-25s(the C model, since it's the earliest Mitchell we currently have), slapped them on any ole carrier(the Lex), and called it a day.* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

I'm not faulting them; I think it's a nice vid, but I'm not jumping to conclusions just yet. For all I know, I could be wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

@Aeronautico-The ventral turret is still there from what I saw. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

* The thing that confuses me is that if I'm right and these are the standard, stock C model B-25s we already have(rather than heavily modified B's, which is what the Raiders were), how in the world did they manage to lift off from a carrier? I guess it could potentially be chalked up to the FM being a WIP, but still.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-12-2004, 02:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
* The thing that confuses me is that if I'm right and these _are_ the standard, stock C model B-25s we already have(rather than heavily modified B's, which is what the Raiders were), how in the world did they manage to lift off from a carrier? I guess it could potentially be chalked up to the FM being a WIP, but still.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if it were me doing it, I would have set the B-25s on the carrier to 25% fuel, and empty loadout. That would make them as light as possible.

Then I would film the part of the bombers bombing as a seperate thing altogether, and this would give the impression that the aircraft which lifted off fromt he carrier, are the same ones which drop the bombs on Japan.

Simple!!

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necrobaron
09-12-2004, 03:25 AM
That's the only other possibility I can think of, though I would think that it would take much more than reduced fuel and no loadout to get those babies off the deck. The Doolittle Raider B-25s had absolutely everything that wasn't necessary removed. Armor, guns, bombsights, you name it. I believe they even had a reduced crew. They were stripped to a bare minimum and were still pretty lucky to make it off the deck.

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Resident_Jock
09-12-2004, 03:43 AM
I wouldn't say it was all luck... if you ever read "30 Seconds Over Tokyo" you might remember how much training the pilots had in taking off in short spaces. You guys are right about the inaccuracies in the aircraft, though. The Doolittle raiders had a tailgun but not much else, combined with a skeleton crew. They removed all non-essential equipment and added extra cans of fuel. The bomb load was several general purpose bombs and a single incendiary.

The video is definitely cool, but the real raid was more spread out. Being a surprise attack on the Japanese home island, response from flak was non-existant and even after the bombs were dropped, ground fire was sporradic and non-threatening. There was even a flight of zero's in the area that mistook the planes for friendlies and flew off without a clue. Once near the target the bombers split up and bombed targets individually, including things like power plants and factories. The author of the book even recalls pulling up in a climb to allow the tail gunner to strafe things.

After the attack, navigation to China was tough. Thunderstorms in the area obscured navigational aids, and the early launch made fuel supplies less abundant. All in all, not a single one arrived at the pre-planned rendevous points, with one or two landing in Russia (crews interned and aircraft comandeered), and the rest crash landing in China. One crew was lost when their Mitchell hit a mountain, but most of the other crews escaped without loss.

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WUAF_Badsight
09-12-2004, 04:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
_What part of "I do not speak french" do you not understand.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

time to learn ?

seriously websites & their links are not hard to guesstimate

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Aeronautico
09-12-2004, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
[QUOTE]@Aeronautico-The ventral turret is still there from what I saw. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ops! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

My bad then.

I never knew (nor noticed) the B-25's had ANY!
Maybe removed in later models?
And do I also remember wrong that there was a tail turret?


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stansdds
09-12-2004, 06:54 AM
The Doolittle raiders used B-25B's. There was no factory tail gun on the B, C, D, models and this position was also absent in the first run of G models. The B, C, and D models did have a retractable belly turret. The turret was operated by a gunner who knealed over a periscope and fired the guns. Most gunners became disoriented and sick trying to do this. Most Mitchels in combat had the belly turret removed as it represented 600 pounds of useless weight.

Doolittle's B-25's were stripped of the belly turret and a fuel cell was installed in its place. Norden bomb sights were removed and replaced with the Mark Twain sight which was not classified as secret and was more accurate at low level bombing. He also installed a pair of wooden dowels in the tail observation bubble, these simulated a pair of machine guns and might deter a fighter from making an attack from the stern.

The attack did little real damage to the Japanese, but it did score a psychological victory in shaking up the Japanese and giving Americans some sort of an early victory in the war.

Freycinet
09-12-2004, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:

Meanwhile, I am Still looking forward to flying the Doolittle Raid in PF...and I thank Oleg for HIS team's effort to make that happen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I thank our French friends for spending their free time to giving us great vids with the beta version of PF that they've been given.

I really think other people in here could be more thankful to these guys (NOT working for Ubi or Maddox) who are so nice as to make us some videos! All the nitpicking about details in films made by fans with a beta version REALLY seems excessive to me!

necrobaron
09-12-2004, 07:01 PM
I don't think anyone said they weren't grateful. I certainly am.

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BfHeFwMe
09-13-2004, 12:22 AM
Where's Mt Fuji? Hope they don't attempt to pass that map off as Japan.