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hayabusa_1971
10-06-2007, 02:31 PM
I have been playing on this server for about a month now and have enjoyed it...although I do not see the teamwork that is advertised..

I was playing a Guadalcanal mission yesterday about 1800UT flying a zero 21. I read the briefing regarding skins and conduct.

I have a nice collection of Zero skins and since this mission was a carrier strike on Guadalcanal, I used a Hiryu skin...Very easy to ID as a IJN fighter as the meatballs are clearly visable.

I took off, trying to link up with a wingman I see a few kilometers off, I can see he is a friendly and attemt to join....he evades and I figure he just don't care or something...Next thing I see is tracers all around my plane then black....this jerk shoots me down!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I ask over chat as I don't have Team speak..he says that I had the wrong markings.....I argue that I did have historical markings..ect...someone else chimes in and says that personalized skins are not allowed...but I had historical skins.

The mission then changes to an Okinawa mission. The two aircraft the Japanese are offered are the Ki-84 and a Zero 52. I choose a Zero 52 and take off.

I am trying to link up with others when a Ki-84 buzzes me... then I spot a Hellcat and attempt to shoot him down....just as I have him in my sights I get kicked from the server... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Anybody who plays this server or who runs it, could you please answer this thread as I would love to hear an explanation!!

Cdr84
10-06-2007, 04:20 PM
hayabusa_1971,

Skin download is off at both WoP servers. Sorry if this is not clear in the briefs. I will check that.

Admins will usually try to warn about correct markings, but it often goes unseen or unheeded.

They only kick, not ban for this. You can rejoin and hopefully use default skins and correct markings.

Sorry this annoyed you, it isn't meant to be a punishment, just a heads up. If an admin waits for everyone to respond to him he will only be typing, not flying.

Custom skins are not allowed because even when historical it can be difficult to ID aircraft with out icons. Default skins are more universally recognizable.

Please feel free to voice your opinions at: www.warbirdsofprey.org (http://www.warbirdsofprey.org)

Thanks,

Cdr84

-HH-Quazi
10-06-2007, 08:37 PM
You should download the Teamspeak Client program & install it. I would say that if you were on TS with the other m8s you would get the teamwork you are looking for. I know I do when I fly it. Real time voice comms is where it is at for getting some teamwork going on.

Ccrashh
10-07-2007, 09:17 AM
Anybody who plays this server or who runs it, could you please answer this thread as I would love to hear an explanation!!

Salute Hayabusa_1971

I'd be glad to answer your question. Skin Downloads are off on Warbirds. I wish we could use custom skins. Unfortunately it has never worked out. Most folks would use the appropriate skin but there are always a few that get "creative". Leopard skin Spits and bright red Corsairs with nice "flame job" paint would be totally out of place.

Lets say someone with less than honorable motives decides to make a Zero skin, he doesn't put US markings on it but he paints the overall aircraft a dark blue on top and light grey on the bottom. Things like that can be very confusing, especially to new players.

Admins would go crazy trying to sort out what was happening.

Another big issue is server workload. During the late afternoon to mid-day time frame both Spits v 109 and Zekes v Wildcat get pretty busy. At times well over 100 people combined. That's a lot of data to throw back and forth to every player in the game. If custom skins were allowed it would have an effect on gameplay. You might see your skin immediately but everyone else has to wait for it to get passed to the server, chewed on , sent through the net and, it needs to be rendered by everyone elses computer to be displayed on their screens. This can cause hiccups in the game.

I'm sorry you couldn't get to use your favorite skins. I too have custom skins for every plane in the game. I can't use them on the servers either. We try to streamline as much as we can to lessen server workload. It's just easier to stick with default skins.

When you took off and looked out the window you saw Japanese markings on your wings. Others around you wouldn't see any markings at all. It can take a few minutes for what you see on your plane to show up for other players.

Also we don't have icons. Default skins are a benefit to the average and new player. Folks get used to seeing the same paintjob on aircraft everyday. This helps with quick recongnition in a fight.

I'm sorry you got kicked. If you were on yesterday around 1800 the server was probabely busy. It is the policy of the Zekes admins to warn a player about markings, more than once. The chat bar gets awefully busy. Is it possible you missed a message in chat?

You say you were about to blast a Hellcat.. It could be your attention was rightfully centered on your target intead of the chatbar. I've missed a few important messages too.

The server rules are posted on every brief before you choose which side to fly. Here is what that screen looks like.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/rules.jpg

If you have any questions please drop me a line at Warbirds.

Respectfully,
Ccrashh
1st Horseman

hayabusa_1971
10-07-2007, 11:44 AM
I did not know that with skin download off, that skin choices still appear in aircraft customization screen. So, even though I saw the meatballs others did not....

I really like the server, but to get kicked without warning is still rude.

I did not know that the problem existed with zebra skins ect...makes sense.

Of course,I will abide by the server rules and I will use default skins, but they look lousy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Thanks CCrashh for the explanation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

To answer your question CCrashh, I use a different name on HL.

Ccrashh
10-07-2007, 12:01 PM
Rgr that,

I honestly believe you must have missed the message concerning your markings.. I've never seen an admin kick someone for markings without more than a few warnings.

If you send me a PM on Warbirdsofprey.org with your HL callsign I can look into it more.

Ccrashh
1st Horseman

hayabusa_1971
10-07-2007, 12:06 PM
Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

No its OK. I did not know that custom skins were not seen by everyone. So everyone else must have seen a Zeke with no meatballs....Been playing this game for years and never knew that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

About the teamwork, it seems that it is difficult to join a formation. Is it manditory to have Teamspeak?

Ccrashh
10-07-2007, 12:12 PM
Mandatory?

Nah not in the least but it does help a lot when you can talk to the guy sitting next to you on the runway and get a plan worked up.

There is actually a lot of formation and teamwork on the Warbirds Servers. There is another thread on UBI with some great screenshots of the action.

Heres the link.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3361053395

SALUTE
Ccrashh
1st Horseman

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-08-2007, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by hayabusa_1971:
...Is it manditory to have Teamspeak?

Even if you mute your mic (either with a mic-toggle switch or through TeamSpeak) you can listen in. Just knowing what a few of the other guys on your side are doing/thinking can improve the teamwork and, by proxy, your own survivability.

TB

TC_Stele
10-08-2007, 09:38 AM
I'm sorry you had a bad experience on the server. I've been a long time regular and wanted to say that there are a few rules to the server. That being that there are no skins on, no vulching or using rockets on airborne craft, etc.

I'm guessing you didn't see the admin's message ingame. Also, if your ping was too high the server kicks you automatically; but usually you get a ping warning from it.

I really recommend going on the server's teamspeak server. The community on there are regulars and it's no problem linking up with a wingman, since most are trying to find one anyways.

Hope to see you there again.

striker-85
10-08-2007, 05:22 PM
Yep, I can't stress enough how helpful TeamSpeak is on these servers. I spent my first couple of months with TeamSpeak on and no mic. I just listened to what was going on, where people were forming up, who needed help where, etc. This in itself was a vast improvement over flying "blind".

Eventualy I bought a mic and joined in fully, it sure helps to be able to call out to your teammates when you are draging one back to base.

BadA1m
10-08-2007, 09:19 PM
You might have also been the victim of a combination of chat bar lag and high pings, if the server was getting hit with high pings really hard you might well have gotten kicked before you got the message. At any rate come back and get your Samurai on, blue is usually short handed, we need all the help we can get!

furyan65
10-09-2007, 06:41 PM
Can anyone plse give me the ip address for this sever, I wouldnt mind joining in. Thanks.

TC_Stele
10-10-2007, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by furyan65:
Can anyone plse give me the ip address for this sever, I wouldnt mind joining in. Thanks.

Hey there. You can visit their site at http://warbirdsofprey.org/

Install Hyperlobby http://hyperfighter.sk/ instead to join the server from there.

Cdr84
10-10-2007, 04:10 PM
Hyperlobby use is encougaged, but here are the direct IP's;

Zeke's vs Wildcat's 69.9.37.146:21005

Spit's vs 109's 69.9.37.146:21010

Teamspeak IP (both servers) 69.9.37.146 Password: falcon9

By the way, Ccrashh is our fearless leader over at WoP!

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Cdr

Skunk_438RCAF
10-10-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by furyan65:
Can anyone plse give me the ip address for this sever, I wouldnt mind joining in. Thanks.

I thought you only had PF? Zekes requires Il2:1946 patched up to 4.08 to be able to join.

gdfo
10-11-2007, 03:52 AM
I got kicked with no warnings about markings on that server. The plane in question was flown by both USA and RAF. Just forgot to change from whatever they were set to. I think it depends on who the admin is that day.

furyan65
10-11-2007, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by Skunk_438RCAF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by furyan65:
Can anyone plse give me the ip address for this sever, I wouldnt mind joining in. Thanks.

I thought you only had PF? Zekes requires Il2:1946 patched up to 4.08 to be able to join. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah on THIS pc I have Stunk http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.. my main beast is in hospital getting the HDD's mirrored, and a new blue ray DVD installed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif. When its back Im there!!

Thanks to those who linked and ip'ed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ccrashh
10-11-2007, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by gdfo:
I got kicked with no warnings about markings on that server. The plane in question was flown by both USA and RAF. Just forgot to change from whatever they were set to. I think it depends on who the admin is that day.

USA and RAF markings? Which server were you on? Was it Zekes or Spits? What was the callsign you were flying under? What time and what day?

Without this information there is nothing I can do.
It makes a world of difference on who I speak too about this.



Ccrashh
1st Horseman

Bearcat99
10-20-2007, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by hayabusa_1971:
Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

No its OK. I did not know that custom skins were not seen by everyone. So everyone else must have seen a Zeke with no meatballs....Been playing this game for years and never knew that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

About the teamwork, it seems that it is difficult to join a formation. Is it manditory to have Teamspeak?

So I gather you must have not only default skins but markings on correct? I always thought that the default skins had markings and even if you were wearing a custom skin if skin DLds were off then everyone would see the default skin anyway.... is this wrong?

dbillo
10-20-2007, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
So I gather you must have not only default skins but markings on correct? I always thought that the default skins had markings and even if you were wearing a custom skin if skin DLds were off then everyone would see the default skin anyway.... is this wrong?
Some default skins will show markings, IF you have "Show Markings" switched ON. If you are wearing a custom skin, however, which had markings built into it, then you would turn that switch OFF, which I gather is what happened in this particular instance.

Ccrashh
10-21-2007, 08:44 AM
Ok this gets confusing. I'll try to explain.

Lets say you want to fly a Zero with a Custom skin on a server that doesn't have skin download.

What you want is this:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/zerocustomnomark.jpg

What the server will see is this:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/A6Mblank.jpg

Which is a bad thing.

So you go back in and select IJN to have correct markings. To the rest of the world you look like your suppose too:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/defaultgame.jpg

But from inside your plane you look like **** with double markings.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/A6Mdouble.jpg

There is a compromise. Edit your custom skin and remove the markings.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/blankcustom.jpg

Then turn on the IJN markings on the armament screen.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/A6Mcustomdefault.jpg

This will give you your skin (only you will see it, with Japanese markings (assigned by the game). To the rest of the world you will look like every other Japanese zero on the map.

Now here is where things get a bit convoluted..
I'll use the F4F as an example.

You want to use this skin:http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/F4Fcustom.jpg

BUT knowing what we learned from the "Zero lesson" We must remove the markings from our custom skin.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/f4fblankblankbalnk.jpg

We MUST have US markings so for AIRFORCE we take the USN markings.
BUT WAIT!! WHAT"S THIS!!! NO STARS!!. All you got was a little number on the tail of your plane.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/F4Fcustomdefault.jpg

So in order to have your customn skin and US markings yo decide to try both.

You load your skin AND you choose USN markings.
BUT WAIT AGAIN!!! No double markings like on the zero! But you did get the little number on the tail.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/F4FcustomUSN.jpg

Now you can see your custom skin, there is no double markings but you DID select USN marks so to the rest of the server you must look normal.

NOPE!!!

To everyone else you will look like this.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Ccrashh-PR-/F4Fblankblank.jpg

So as you can see. there is a lot more to this than we thought. On warbirds we keep it simple.
Default skin and markings. It removes all chance for errors or misunderstandings.


Ccrashh
1st Horseman