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ReaverKS
06-22-2007, 02:33 AM
This is more or less in response to a recent thread created by someone expressing their wishes that Ubisoft change the game so that it could achieve a "T" for teen rating. Achieving this by removing blood altogether or by reducing the amount shown, additionally by removing vulgar terms.

My response to this is that I beg ubisoft to not sell out and simply alter the game so that it makes the "T" for teen rating. You guys set out to make a realistic game, so let's make a realistic game. Besides, is assassinating with less blood really alright for teen's but assassinating people with more blood only alright for young adults? No, In my opinion both of them are unsuitable for 13,14 year old's etc to be playing, so let's kill two birds with one stone here, keep the game realistic, and keep the game out of youngster's hands (or at the very least do your part, it's up to the retail stores, etc to keep their side of the bargain)

In addition to these reasons I would truly be disappointed to see a game that has very good odds of being game of the year having less likely odds of not making it because of something like this. I'm not saying the removal of blood or the reduction, and the removal of profanities will stop Assassin's Creed from being game of the year but it could be the make or break point come judging time.

I don't know about everyone else but I plan to be immersed in the realism this game has to offer. Come launch time if it turns out to
be a watered down version of what we all hoped it to be just so ubi could appeal to a wider audience rather than stick to their guns and create a truly immersive game, I'll no longer be a Ubisoft fan. I have yet to see Ubisoft do this in any of the previous games I've watched from them, I don't think they'll let us down this time either.

If this isn't enough reason for Ubisoft, think about it from a marketing standpoint. If you change the game just to appeal to a wider audience, you'll disappoint die hard Ubisoft fans that would have otherwise been lifetime customers.

Additionally I'd just like to add that one of the main reasons I've been interested in Assassin's has been for it's realism. I certainly don't believe that a game need be full of blood or profanity to be good, in fact I know many games that aren't.

IoNoobMaster
06-22-2007, 02:50 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif That is soo true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

King32Gofather
06-22-2007, 03:52 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Oh my God if They change the rating for sum stupid little fu#k im gonna b so pissed of ... when we asked 4 realism we wanted blood and now Ubi has obliged us with this..So now if it is changed i'll go mental...

Seriously if anything lets add more blood more swearing more all round brutality to make this game as sweet as possible... I'm hooping for a good MA15+ game and even if possible an R if we're goin all the way.

If there are gonna be little fools runniin their mouth of about making it less violent they can go get Cameo or fusion frenzy or sumfin but dont try and ruin this game for the big people... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Thanx

The_Sphinx
06-22-2007, 04:25 AM
I guess a "no blood" option in the game would be the solution to all kiddy problems.

ReaverKS
06-22-2007, 05:15 AM
Unfortunately if the option is there for the game to become more realistic, or in this case more bloody it would not solve the problem. The ESRP bases their rating on total content available, not just the content shown based on a setting. If they put the option in for blood or no blood, the ESRP would give a rating based on the fact that there is blood in the game, regardless of whether it's on by default or not.

kew414
06-22-2007, 05:55 AM
Was there going to be much blood in the game in the first place? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I mean, you aren't really going to cut off limbs... I don't think blood would pour out of them if you stab them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
But who knows? Maybe you can decapitate guards http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

ThePheonix1030
06-22-2007, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by kew414:
I mean, you aren't really going to cut off limbs... I don't think blood would pour out of them if you stab them

There was blood in the "Lonely Souls" trailer wher Altair swiped his sword under a guard's chin and onto his throat, as shown.
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z126/ThePheonix1030/blood.jpg

Howler13
06-22-2007, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by ThePheonix1030:
There was blood in the "Lonely Souls" trailer wher Altair swiped his sword under a guard's chin and onto his throat, as shown.
I don't that amount of blood warrants an M rating, and I wouldn't want much more blood than this. Believe it or not, people, blood doesn't usually spray out like a gyser when you get cut.

And about vulgar language, what makes you think there would be any? I don't see the need for a guard to drop the F-bomb right before Altair kills him.

I'm not asking for this game to be Teen, I just don't see anything that would require it to be M, or anything that they should add to make it M.

ThePheonix1030
06-22-2007, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Howler13:
I'm not asking for this game to be Teen, I just don't see anything that would require it to be M, or anything that they should add to make it M.

Just look at the title, Assassin's Creed. It sounds mature enough to be rated M. And there are a lot of rated M games that are about historical and political events, such as .Assassin's Creed.

altairiscool
06-22-2007, 10:49 AM
why do you guys take tis seriously? Do you really think that the developers are even thinking about taking out the blood? For 1 this is the final stretch before the game comes out. They are not gonna totally revamp the game just to lower the rating. second, you think this didn't come to the developers minds a long time ago? If they were even thinking about lowering the rating they would have done it a lomge time ago... like last year...they just dont have the time. 3rd do you really think they even care that 1 guy and his friends wont buy the game cuz they dont like blood... thats bull****. case closed its rated mature... unless esrb was already gonna say it was teen... which i highly doubt.

Boromir323
06-22-2007, 10:55 AM
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I dont think theres anything to worry about. I highly doubt Ubi is going to go back and redo all the blood effects just to get some extra audience. Personally I dont see what the big deal is with having no blood either. And about the profanity, I kinda doubt the use the same words in 1191 that they do today. Not saying I'm a historian, just a speculation on my part. Anyway I dont think the rating will change at all.

Phreaky_McGeek
06-22-2007, 11:52 AM
If they do add more blood I certainly hope it's realistic. I get tired of games where the enemies spurt out fountains of the stuff yet the weapons, armour, environment etc a sparkly clean. Blood seeping down the clothes where you sliced at them would be awesome.

zoozilla
06-22-2007, 12:02 PM
They could add a "no-blood" option like there is in FarCry, Unreal Tournament 2004, and other games, and I guess that would make people happy. But I strongly agree that there is no way Ubisoft is going to change the game to achieve a certain rating. Almost no-one does that (although Rockstar may have to with the Manhunt controversy). The question is, will the ESRB go crazy and give it an AO rating?

Boromir323
06-22-2007, 12:05 PM
AO rating?!?!? I hope not...

ThePheonix1030
06-22-2007, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by zoozilla:
The question is, will the ESRB go crazy and give it an AO rating?

AO!? GTA isn't even AO. That franchise could be AO, with no questions ask. I mean, there's violence, blood, gore, sex, drugs, gangs, and profanity. But altairiscool is right. People are making a big deal just about the rating. Unless Assassin's Creed had the exact same ratings as Manhunt 2, then Ubisoft is not going to change anything just for more buyers. As long as the game looks good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Wangzter
06-22-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by ThePheonix1030:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zoozilla:
The question is, will the ESRB go crazy and give it an AO rating?

AO!? GTA isn't even AO. That franchise could be AO, with no questions ask. I mean, there's violence, blood, gore, sex, drugs, gangs, and profanity. But altairiscool is right. People are making a big deal just about the rating. Unless Assassin's Creed had the exact same ratings as Manhunt 2, then Ubisoft is not going to change anything just for more buyers. As long as the game looks good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
QFE

To give Assassin's Creed AO would be ridiculous. Looks at plenty of other games that deserve AO (as Pheonix described) but got away with an M.

ThePheonix1030
06-22-2007, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Wangzter:
To give Assassin's Creed AO would be ridiculous. Looks at plenty of other games that deserve AO (as Pheonix described) but got away with an M.

Wangzter knows. That really bugs me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Wangzter
06-22-2007, 01:17 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
Why's that?

ThePheonix1030
06-22-2007, 01:38 PM
Check your PMs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pinjani10
06-22-2007, 09:39 PM
Ok I read some of the posts, and as a person who was 14 less than 24hrs ago I have this to say:

Ubi, please add realism to the blood and gore just please dont go overboard on anything sexual (this is the real killer when it comes to people under 17 getting M rated games) My parents dont care about Violence/Gore/Language but sexual content is what makes them say no to M rated games. And truly you dont need to add sexual content to this game to make it amazing.

ThePheonix1030
06-22-2007, 10:41 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Anything sexual is always the main factor that has parents saying "no" to rated M games...

ReaverKS
06-23-2007, 02:31 AM
Just so everyone is aware removing blood from Assassin or any other game is not a long and tedious process. Adding blood to the game, yes, could quite possibly take many months depending on the detail, amount of people working on it, etc. I'm simply making this point because some people are skeptical that it could be removed on short notice; a team like the team they have in Montreal could probably have the blood and profanities (if there are any) out of the game within a month. And just so there's no misunderstandings, Ubisoft like all other game developers are companies. They're developing and marketing a product and like all other companies need to make profits. Whether they achieve them by continually churning out top notch games or by watering down explicit content before game launch, makes all the difference. I was merely pointing out that more sales for this game might be less beneficial in the long run by losing die hard fans for selling out.

At the end of the day, whether this game get's a "T" for teen rating or an "M" for mature rating makes no difference to me, as long as they achieved the rating while maintaining the realism shown and it isn't apparent they altered content just to sell a few more copies. We'll only really know when the game's launched.

And just so the record's set straight, Ubisoft up to and including this point has been an excellent company. I've yet to see them pull some of the sly things other companies have done like the aforementioned. I only started this thread so that it was apparent that if in fact any ubisoft officials peruse these forums, then they would see people also feel differently than the other thread started regarding this issue.

FARLEYFAN
06-23-2007, 03:08 AM
Usually any game with a name like Assassin's Creed is going to be rated M. Like Hitman Blood Money, regardless of the content. Especially killing with a switch blade will put it at M no matter bloody or not. I don't think we have anything to worry about.

ThePheonix1030
06-23-2007, 07:12 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif That's exactly what I said... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif