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christopher65
09-06-2004, 05:55 AM
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Just wondering if such a thing exists for PF? Both AI and flyable? Alist for ships would be good too.Thnks.

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christopher65
09-06-2004, 05:55 AM
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Just wondering if such a thing exists for PF? Both AI and flyable? Alist for ships would be good too.Thnks.

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olaleier
09-06-2004, 07:16 AM
Perhaps this will help, pardon my french:


JAPON

Aichi D3A1 Val
Aichi D3A2 Val AI
Kawanishi H8K emily AI
Kawanishi N1K1J George AI
KAWASAKI KI61 Tony
Mitsubishi A6M2 21 Zero
Nakajima A6M2 N Rufe
Mitsubishi A6M3 Zero
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden AI
Mitsubishi G4M1 betty
Mitsubishi Ki 46 III Dinah AI
Mitsubishi Ki 46 III Otsu Dinah AI
Nakajima B5N Kate AI
Nakajima Ki43 I Oscar
Nakajima Ki43 II Oscar AI


ALLIES


Brewster F2A1 Buffalo
Brewster F2A2 Buffalo
Brewster F2A3 Buffalo
Bristol Beaufighter Mk 21
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IIF AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IINF AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VI AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VIC AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk X AI
Bell P39D Airacobra
Bell P400 Airacobra
Boeing B17D Flying Fortress AI
Boeing B17F Flying Fortress AI
Boeing B29 Superfortress AI
Consolidated B24 Liberator AI
Curtiss P40B/C Tomahawk
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver AI
Douglas TBD Devastator AI
Douglas SBD Dauntless
Douglas A20C Havoc
Douglas A20G Havoc
Gruman F4F3 Wildcat
Gruman F4F4 Wildcat
Gruman FM2 Wildcat
Gruman F6F3 Hellcat
Gruman F6F5 Hellcat
Gruman TBM Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1 Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1c Avenger AI
North American PBJ-1C Mitchell
North American PBJ-1G Mitchell
North American PBJ-1H Mitchell
Northrop P61 Black Widow AI
Supermarine Seafire III
Supermarine Spitfire MkVIII
Vought F4U1 Corsair
Vought F4U1A Corsair
Vought F4U1C Corsair
Vought F4U1D Corsair


NAVIRES

Angleterre

Prince of Wales Cuirassé
Illustrious PA
Leander Croiseur
County Croiseur
Oribi Destroyer

Japon

AKAGI PA
ZUIKAKU PA
SHIHANO PA
KAGA PA

Haruna Cuirassé
Takao Croiseur
Azikuki Destroyer
Kagero Destroyer
Okikawa Maru Cargo
Kimikawa Maru Cargo
P102 Patrouilleur
Daihatsu Landing Craft
Sous marin
Sous marin de poche
Bateau de pªche


USA

YORKTOWN PA
ESSEX PA
LEXINGTON PA
CVE PA escorte

COLORADO Cuirassé
ARIZONA Cuirassé
Portland Croiseur
Fletcher Destroyer
Wickes Destroyer
Liberty Ship Cargo
LVT4 Nav de debarquement
LVT2 Nav de debarquement
DUKW Vehicule Amphibie
APD5 Support amphibie
Sous marin GATO
Yacht



VEHICULES

US

Locomotive
Wagon
M3A1 Stuart Tank
M5A1 Stuart Tank
M3A1 Half Track
M7 Priest Obusier autoporté
M8 Greyhound
M3 75MM Half Track
Flak .50
Flak Bofors 40mm
M5 AT 75mm
M2 155mm Long Tom
Mortier 81mm

Jap

Locomotive
Wagon
Type 95 Wagon Blindé So KI
Type 4 Ho-Ro
Type 95 Ha Go Tank
Type 97 Chi Ha Tank
Type 1 Ho-Ha Transport de troupe
Type 94 camion
Type 1 camion
Type 98 Ko-Hi Alf Track AA
Type 95 jeep
20 mm AA
25mm AA double
25mm AA Triple
Tupe 11 75mm AA
Type 94 37mm AT
Type 38 75mm
Type 94 105mm Obusier
Type 97 Mortier 81mm


Angleterre
Matilda Tank
Vickers Tank léger
Austin K3YF Camion
Bedford OXD camion
AEC Matador Tracteur
Guy Ant CWT
Flak léger
Flak lourd
Mortier de 3 pouces MkI


CARTES

MIDWAY
IWO JIMA
WAKE
CORAL SEA
GUADALCANAL
TARAWA
HAWAI
SINGAPOUR
PALAU
JAPON
RABAUL
NOUVELLE GUINEE
LUZON
GUAM
OKINAWA
RANGOON

+

IWO JIMA ONLINE
CORAL SEA ONLINE

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kaa303
09-06-2004, 12:48 PM
excuse moi, but what does "PA" mean?

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Tater-SW-
09-06-2004, 02:25 PM
PA is french for CV I gather. That list has been pointed out a few times to be very incomplete, BTW. It's a starting point, and the maps seem pretty close to what we've seen as well.

Note that the above list doesn't include any PTO planes already extant in AEP.

tater

kaa303
09-06-2004, 03:15 PM
yeah you're right about that "PA" - I haven't noticed it at first... "PA" is "Porte-Avion" which means: "Aircraft Carrier".

the list does however include one plane from AEP - the type 0 model 21 carrier-borne fighter.

after we add planes from AEP, we'll get a pretty decent selection (late Zero, Frank, Hurricane, Lightning, late Cobras and Warhawks, Mustangs and T-bolts... don't remember more...) but to bad the D4Y (US:Judy) and Ki-27 (US:Nate) are nowhere to be seen... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

the ship list is sure incomplete: HMS Prince of Wales and no HMS Repulse? no IJNs' Shokaku, Hiryu, Soryu. no USS Enterprise or USS Saratoga? only one Kongo class IJN battleship? no Yamato, Fuso, Nagato? only one class of heavy crusiers and no light cruisers at all? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

nevertheless I can't wait to land on a flattop again (long time since CFS2)...and I hope they'll make it difficult as hell http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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Grach58
09-06-2004, 06:13 PM
Gruman TBM Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1 Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1c Avenger AI

Aw Heck... Come on, Please give us a flyable Avenger. Bombs, Torpedeoes, Strafing an photo recon missions. VT-14 (USS Wasp)and VT-51(USS San Jacinto)and I'll buy it the first day it hits the shelves.

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wuggle85
09-06-2004, 06:19 PM
yeah itll be good to have a flyable avenger in the game i can just see it now fully loaded bombin down the deck full throttel hoping you will get off the deck and not have to take an early bath!

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Dunkelgrun
09-06-2004, 06:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
the ship list is sure incomplete: HMS Prince of Wales and no HMS Repulse? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As much as I'd like to see them too they didn't really do a lot in the Pacific did they? Anyway, don't think I could bring myself to attack them even though I will be flying Japanese a/c quite a bit.

Cheers!

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kaa303
09-07-2004, 03:31 AM
what I meant RLM 71 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif is that it's pointless to include HMS Prince of Wales alone, and I agree that there wouldn't be much sense in including it and HMS Repulse either as they were sunk to soon to have any influence on the war effort in the Pacific. It would be better to add some IJN battleships or other ships I've mentioned above.

PS
yeah, flying the Avenger would be cool but notice that we'll get some great two-engine planes this time (but still no Ju-88 in AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif): Havoc, Mitchell and Betty.

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JG53Frankyboy
09-07-2004, 04:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kaa303:
yeah you're right about that "PA" - I haven't noticed it at first... "PA" is "Porte-Avion" which means: "Aircraft Carrier".

the list does however include one plane from AEP - the type 0 model 21 carrier-borne fighter.

after we add planes from AEP, we'll get a pretty decent selection (late Zero, Frank, Hurricane, Lightning, late Cobras and Warhawks, Mustangs and T-bolts... don't remember more...) but to bad the D4Y (US:Judy) and Ki-27 (US:Nate) are nowhere to be seen... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

the ship list is sure incomplete: HMS Prince of Wales and no HMS Repulse? no IJNs' Shokaku, Hiryu, Soryu. no USS Enterprise or USS Saratoga? only one Kongo class IJN battleship? no Yamato, Fuso, Nagato? only one class of heavy crusiers and no light cruisers at all? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

nevertheless I can't wait to land on a flattop again (long time since CFS2)...and I hope they'll make it difficult as hell http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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not exactly . the A6M2 in AEP has no folding wingtips - so its more a A6M2 Model11.
the A6M2 Model21 has folding wingtips. i think thats the reason why that zero is mentioned in the list above.

model52 Zeros had no folding wingtips

WOLFMondo
09-07-2004, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
the ship list is sure incomplete: HMS Prince of Wales and no HMS Repulse? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As much as I'd like to see them too they didn't really do a lot in the Pacific did they? Anyway, don't think I could bring myself to attack them even though I will be flying Japanese a/c quite a bit.

Cheers!

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I'd say there pretty important, the loss was anyway as this was one of the worst defeats the Royal Navy suffered during WW2 and highlighted again that airpower could defeat the once might battleships, and the HMS PoW was certainly no small fry, she was one of the newest and most modern ships in the Royal Navy.

Also the KGV class ships were all used in the BPF in '44 and '45. They played a big role not only in the BPF but also in D-Day and the North Atlantic.

Howe and the other KGV ships looked a little different however, more AA guns.

Point of trivia, the last KVG class and last Royal Navy Battleship, HMS Vanguard was the only battleship or ship of the line in Royal Navy history to never fire its guns in anger.

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GerritJ9
09-07-2004, 05:10 AM
HMS Vanguard was indeed the Royal Navy's last battleship..... but she was NOT of the KGV class. Vanguard carried eight 15" guns as main armament in four twin turrets, the KGVs had ten 14" guns in one twin and two quadruple turrets. Vanguard was overall a much better ship than the KGVs; her design was based on the "Lion" class hull but modified for different main armament and also incorporating many modifications as a result of war experience, especially as a result of the loss of the POW.

JG53Frankyboy
09-07-2004, 05:16 AM
something funny abut Vanguard was that their 38cm gun Turrets were the old turrets from Glorious and Couragous from the time they were no Carriers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

christopher65
09-07-2004, 05:26 AM
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I will be sad if theres not the Mushashi or Yamoto included!! Will need to be more emphasis on ships etc to break up the momotony of the ocean!!

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KAMI_1
09-07-2004, 06:02 AM
SHINANO is in ?? where did u get that info??
don´t think so.

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kaa303
09-07-2004, 06:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> not exactly . the A6M2 in AEP has no folding wingtips - so its more a A6M2 Model11.
the A6M2 Model21 has folding wingtips. i think thats the reason why that zero is mentioned in the list above.

model52 Zeros had no folding wingtips <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, there are no folding wingtips because it's not implemented in the game. in "view objects" it says it's model 21, besides - take a closer look at the default skin - you can see the hinges.

A6M3 model 32 Zeroes were deprived of the wingtips, that's why their wings were shorter, but later A6M3 model 22 had the old wingtips back. the A6M5 model 52 had new shorter but stronger wings with no folding wingtips which allowed it to achieve higher dive speed... at the cost of some lift (it turned and climbed slower but rolled faster).

PS
imho Shinano is even more pointless then those British BBs as it was sunk by an American sub on it's maiden cruise...

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WOLFMondo
09-07-2004, 06:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GerritJ9:
HMS Vanguard was indeed the Royal Navy's last battleship..... but she was NOT of the KGV class. Vanguard carried eight 15" guns as main armament in four twin turrets, the KGVs had ten 14" guns in one twin and two quadruple turrets. Vanguard was overall a much better ship than the KGVs; her design was based on the "Lion" class hull but modified for different main armament and also incorporating many modifications as a result of war experience, especially as a result of the loss of the POW.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough, I always thought she was a modified KGV class.

I did some internet trawling and found a site which set me righthttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/super_battleships_projected.htm

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Exzipion
09-07-2004, 07:10 AM
Not possible...

Nakajima B5N Kate AI

Pearl Harbour attack only by torpedo planes AI?

Gruman TBM Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1 Avenger AI
Gruman TBF 1c Avenger AI
Douglas TBD Devastator AI

Battles of Coral Sea, Midway, only by torpedo planes AI?

Must be believe in warrior spirit of AI for sinking enemy ships? or

only with D3A and SBD Dauntless based carrier flyable is possible?

Tater-SW-
09-07-2004, 08:07 AM
One, that list is supposidly very incomplete, and the whole AI/flyable might be out of date as well.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kaa303:
the ship list is sure incomplete: HMS Prince of Wales and no HMS Repulse? no IJNs' Shokaku, Hiryu, Soryu. no USS Enterprise or USS Saratoga? only one Kongo class IJN battleship? no Yamato, Fuso, Nagato? only one class of heavy crusiers and no light cruisers at all? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The ship list will be CLASSES of ship. Yorktown is a CLASS, Enterprise is a Yorktown class. Saratoga is a Lexington, etc. Essex means all however many were built during the war, 17 or em? Same with BBs. The US built 800 (!) DD/DE during the war (plus the few hundred we had before it started). We get a few classes in game---or did you expect 1000 unique DDs? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tater

kaa303
09-07-2004, 08:22 AM
well... in Il-2/FB/AEP we've had single ships and not classes e.g. a ship named Tirpitz and not 2 Bismarck class BBs... besides, I can see the Haruna listed and afaik it's not a name of a class but of a ship (Kongo, Kirishima, Haruna and Hiei were Kongo class BCs).

however it shouldn't be too much of a problem to change some markings and perhaps relocate a few AA guns to recreate several ships from each class.

nevertheless I still don't see the Soryu class CVs, Yamato, Fuso and Nagato class BBs nor any
CLs (nor Atlanta class CLAAs)... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

whatsmore USN's CAs are represented by the Portland class of which only two cruisers were built: USS Portland and USS Indianapolis. that's strange too, ain't it?

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Tater-SW-
09-07-2004, 09:32 AM
That won't happen. A class is a class, they'll pick one, and it will fill the role. There will be 1 Yorktown class. Want Midway, place three Yorktowns. Want Coral Sea, 1 Yorktown, 1 Lexington.

Asking for more than that is like asking for every unique airplane---the crew chief altered 1 B-25 due to damage to have 1 less 50 cal, so we need a model for that! Ain;t gonna happen.

Again, you really expect to have every single little change between two ships in a class? This one had 40 1.1 inch guns, and the next in class had 42, this MUST be modelled, or the game is a travesty!? Dream on http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tater

kaa303
09-07-2004, 10:48 AM
Tater, don't exagerrate, please. Do not compare battleships with airplanes because this kind of sea vessells weren't procuded in dozens every week... each capital ship was more or less unique. But I'm not arguing that every little detail on these ships there should be recreated. I'd just like that they give them differrent 'skins' e.g. with differrent numbers (where it applies). I think however that the devs could put some more attention to the ships... if time will allow that of course (aircraft are undoubtly more important in this particular game).

But I still don't know why Haruna is listed and not Kongo and why blahblahblah http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif (see my previous post).

Another matter is that I think that it would be interesting if the game began before 7th dec 1941... I don't know how the devs plan it but I'd sure like to fly over China or Manchuria...

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goshikisen
09-07-2004, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kaa303:
the ship list is sure incomplete: HMS Prince of Wales and no HMS Repulse? no IJNs' Shokaku, Hiryu, Soryu. no USS Enterprise or USS Saratoga? only one Kongo class IJN battleship? no Yamato, Fuso, Nagato? only one class of heavy crusiers and no light cruisers at all? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought the IOWA class BBs were a given. They spent more time contending with aircraft than they did shipping (I think the New Jersey was the only one of the 4 sisters that sank a ship with her guns during WWII). I suppose their late war appearance makes them less important than some of the other ships listed under USN. In a future patch perhaps?

Regards, Goshikisen

Tater-SW-
09-07-2004, 11:31 AM
I was exaggerating for effect &lt;G&gt;.

But the US built over 100 CVEs, and in several classes, and sub-classes. Most ships on both sides in the PTO were up gunned, and refitted throughout the war. Making even a reasonable attempt to do this would be more work that doing all the planes.

I would be more than pleased if they just reskinned the different ships so that you'd place a Yorktown in the FMB, and it would have a pull-down in properties for which Yorktown class it was, and paint it right, I have zero expectation of subtle changes in ships within a class.

tater

kaa303
09-07-2004, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> But the US built over 100 CVEs, and in several classes, and sub-classes <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm wasn't talking about CVEs but capital ships like BBs and CVs only... but on the whole I agree with you... I don't expect such attention to detail neither - as a matter of fact I just hope that aircaft will be more precisely modelled than in earlier 1Cs games that's all.

But wouldn't it be nice if..... ah nevermind... to be frank it's all because I miss something like Great Naval Battles or Taskforce1942 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Tater-SW-
09-07-2004, 11:50 AM
I'm not saying it wouldn;t be wwonderful, it would. I'm just saying it is unrealistic to expect that. I'd be happy (and surprised) if any ships at all, even CVs are different even in paint job or hull number on the side.

Honestly, we'll likely have those classes with zero difference at all between them, they'll even have identical hull numbers.

Look at the IJN DD, it has the specific ship name painted on the side, so every single DD of that class you see WILL have that name painted on the side, just like every static P38 has D-day stripes on it right now. Sucks, but that's the way it is.

tater

DuxCorvan
09-07-2004, 12:05 PM
As for the game beginning before Pearl Harbor, yeah, it would be interesting. But, since they would need some critical planes such Nates and Claudes, that's unlikely to happen on release. And not-FB users don't have the Russian planes the Chinese used -that's the price for having a stand-alone-able game.

Anyway, it seems that a China map could be included for some AVG action. If it's true that PF can merge with FB, then we could have Chinese-Japanese War as an add-on for 'Gold' users. It could include Nates, Claudes and all that early stuff, and Russian aircraft such as I-153 and I-16 would be in yet.

Interesting and historical engagements between FB & PF aircraft. As you see, not that 'Emil over Guadalcanal' the alone-alone-kids were complaining about. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

Ki_Rin
09-07-2004, 12:21 PM
Too bad no Nates and Claudes....

The whole list a little lean on flyable Japanese types, too ad, although I suspect (and hope!) more types willl be patched on later...

Even though I love both the Bearcat, Tigercat, and Shindin...I would hate to see them in PF before a complete incventory of "legit" types hve been made flyable...

Sadly, though, I can see that if things are like FB, these will make an appearance before then....and the PF servers will be full of em, ala La7 3XB20/Ki84C

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kaa303
09-07-2004, 12:21 PM
Yeah but the game is aimed at the US market so I'm afraid the PH will be the starting date... as if it all begun on that day.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And not-FB users don't have the Russian planes the Chinese used -that's the price for having a stand-alone-able game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And what would be the problem with including some crucial aircraft from FB/AEP into stand-alone version of PF??? The games will be compatible so it's just a matter of copying a few megs of data from the former game to the cd with the latter... Am I wrong?

...ah there is perhaps one problem: if they'd include FB/AEP planes in PF they couldn't sell any FB/AEP cds after PF is released... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



Too bad that there are no sims concerning e.g. Japanese attack on China, war in Mongolia between Japan and the Soviet Union, German/Italian attack on Greece, German attack on France or Poland (of which the two latter we hope to recreate in add-ons for BoB).

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Snootles
09-07-2004, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sadly, though, I can see that if things are like FB, these will make an appearance before then....and the PF servers will be full of em, ala La7 3XB20/Ki84C
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually the La-7 with 3 cannons was the standard model. A few were made with 2 only because of a temporary shortage.

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LEXX_Luthor
09-07-2004, 03:50 PM
Would be nice if a new FP hobby develops like skinning ships for download at ll2skins. That may take care of alot of ship skin Whining. Imagine if FB only had Default skins with no way of adding new skins. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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kaa303
09-08-2004, 08:38 AM
that's not a bad idea, but since in FB/AEP there were no custom ship skins (afaik) I doubt that they will appear in PF... I just wonder if it's that difficult - are ship skins so differrent than aircraft ones (on the technical side)?

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timo2move
09-08-2004, 10:39 AM
Will there be no PBY-4 Catalina? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Would have liked to crawl out of the water and lay down on the beach http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif