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Texas LongHorn
08-24-2006, 09:13 AM
Hey fellow sim lunatics, I just spotted this new WWII style stick from Saitek. It has dual throttles, four two way toggles, and a mode selector switch. It looks pretty darn cool, and nobody seems to have mentioned it here before, here's the link
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/av8r.htm
All the bloody best, LongHorn

major_setback
08-24-2006, 09:48 AM
It would mean you could have prop pitch on one of the levers. I think that that would be more useful than having flaps on a lever.

I've been longing for prop pitch on a lever for a while now, hitting shift+3, shift+2 etc. when trying to land isn't easy.

triad773
08-24-2006, 10:01 AM
Yes someone yesterday posted that too. The first thing I noticed was the throttle position. You have to reach around the stick to get to it. A un-ergonomic design I won't want.

NonWonderDog
08-24-2006, 10:15 AM
The throttles in the middle won't be uncomfortable at all if you put the stick on your lap. If you like to mount it on your desk off to the side, then yes, you will have a problem. No WWII fighter had a side-stick, though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Sillius_Sodus
08-24-2006, 11:11 AM
As long as you keep the stick in front of you, having the throttles on the front should not be a problem. Saitek has been making sticks long enough that they would have done some ergonomic testing on the throttle placement. The mode switch will be handy when flying jet sims. You can switch between A-A and A-G radar/weapons modes.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-24-2006, 11:42 AM
I commend Saitek for their tenacity and apparent desire to bring products to market. The fact is, for me anyway, their top-of-the-line controller (specifically the X52) still isn't as good as CH. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

leitmotiv
08-24-2006, 12:08 PM
I tried the Saitek evo force feedback stick. It was novel in that it was a longer item than the F-16-type grips most gaming "sticks" are---you could actually lever it like a genuine stick to some extent. Thought the FF effects were watered down to near 0. Microsoft SideWinder 2 my favorite---a true beast of resistance and FF effects. Nearly a gym workout.

nearmiss
08-24-2006, 01:42 PM
I'm totally amazed. It looks to me like Saitek would acquire input from their potential users, at least before they produce a product.

Personally, this stick has absolutely no appeal to me whatsoever for any sim I fly.

I could be totally wrong. A quick read of their advertising blurb hit none of my hot buttons.

smatchimo
08-24-2006, 01:59 PM
I think they are shooting for a more "casual simmer" market. It looks as though this stick is geared for the guy/gal that doesnt want a full on HOTAS representation. It is a great solution for those that just want a good stick that they can shove under a shelf when they are done, and dont have to deal with multiple sticks or throttles. Just a guess anyway.

Cheers!

gdfo
08-24-2006, 02:01 PM
It looks like they were trying to appeal to the 'leftys' by putting the throttle in front. Yes you would have to hold it in your lap.

But why the switches? All joysticks need more
sliders and wheels.

Monty_Thrud
08-24-2006, 02:21 PM
Shame its missing the hand support of the Cyborg 3D, infact, if it had that stick, this would be my next Joystick, maybe if i spam their forums, they'll listen. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

leitmotiv
08-24-2006, 06:01 PM
Truly a curiosity. I suspect they will fire the design team that sold this item to management.

3.JG51_BigBear
08-24-2006, 06:50 PM
I think I'll stick with my X-52

dusta01
08-24-2006, 08:13 PM
i can sum that up in three letters


POS


lol

TC_Stele
08-25-2006, 12:25 AM
I think I like the stick itself just for its simplicity. As great as the X-52 is I somtimes feel like I'm struggling to reach a button while keeping the stick steady. Then again I have small hands.

If the price is right, I MIGHT get it while using the X-52's throttle.

TC_Stele
08-25-2006, 12:41 AM
BTW, here are some extremely large images of the stick for closer detail.

http://www.saitekusa.com/images/300dpi/joysticks/AV8Rdyn.jpg

http://www.saitekusa.com/images/300dpi/joysticks/AV8Rfront.jpg

http://www.saitekusa.com/images/300dpi/joysticks/AV8Rrear.jpg

LEBillfish
08-25-2006, 01:14 AM
I actually like the straight stalk yet would never buy the thing.....First off as pointed out above, the sliders are in a rediculous position, that coming from someone who only steers the plane (aileron, rudder, elevator) with the stick, and must reach past it to the keyboard for EVERYTHING else. Now I wouldn't mind a seperate throttle quadrant, yet this is so impractical if I refuse to use the one well placed on my stick I'd certainly not use those.

Switches my same opinion......and I'm still waiting for the day when someone builds a stick that allows you to rest the heel of your hand on a stable point (the base) so you have even finer control (the pivot far down in the base) due to stability.

It looks crude and rugged, that's the whole point of it which is unto itself not considering practicality kewl...........

However, don't be so sure ergonomics were considered.....Often, novelty and simply trying to be different drives design sadly...I say sadly in often that desire to be different ignores the practical reasons many things are the same.

If you want one, wait 6 months. My guess is they'll either be giving them away if it even makes it to the market.

Chuck_Older
08-25-2006, 10:14 AM
Everyone's different. For me personally I don't see how the throttles being6" forward of the stick is an issue. I think perhaps most folks would have to touch the thing to understand that ergonomically it's probably just fine. I mean, my right elbow is bent, and my left hand's able to get my keyboard just fine, and it's atleast 12" forward of the X45 I use right now. Don't judge the thing from a photo

JG53Frankyboy
08-25-2006, 11:03 AM
i also miss a handsupport !
and if it would be a FFB stick - perhaps it could replace my MS FFB2.

the double "throttle" could be handy in BoB flying a 109E with manual pitch.........

Saburo_0
08-25-2006, 05:10 PM
it's an interestngnew option. I think it will appeal to some folks. The switches look like they are 3 position types which could be handy, and switches are a nice change from buttons, kinda more old-aeroplan-y- if ya know what i mean?
two throttles on a non-hotas setup is new and hopefully it will do well so we see more dual throttle sticks out there! New designs can lead to competition and improvement. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
That said this is still my best bud since EAW days: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00001W01O.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif

TC_Stele
08-26-2006, 10:53 AM
OMG Saburo.. I have that stick as well. Thing is a behemoth, however it sits in my closet collecting dust.

You ever figure out how to relieve the tension for that stick? I try to change through the setup, but ever since I got Windows XP it never changes the tension.

Saburo_0
08-27-2006, 11:10 PM
I've not really had a problem adjusting cn=entering tension thru WinXP-I dont use the Logitech software. It is a huge heavy stick- the p-47 of joysticks I'd say. I've got an x-45 I got refurbed but only use the throttle as i dont care for the stick. Too light weight in comparison I suppose. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

(BTW dont get rid of that stick they're hard to find. )

Fohtee
08-29-2006, 05:59 PM
This looks pretty cool, actually. being able to rest an elbow on the desk or something to reach the throttle might be more comfortable. I'll have to check one out next time I'm in civilization. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And for all the guys mentioning the missing handrest, it just isn't in the photos, apparently. On the store link for it, it mentions a removable palm rest.

http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/avjo.html