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MEGILE
09-06-2005, 04:02 PM
Oleg is the new BoB flight model which we are "beta" testing really based on new code or is it just an extension of the rather aging PF flight model?

I ask because there appears to be some very important things which are missing from the FM including correct maximum dive speeds, and realistic compressibility based on mach, ofcourse varying at different altitudes.
These things are currently missing from the FM in 4.01.
I realize the "new" FM is in beta stage, but will these and other flight model features eventually appear at all in BoB?


Thanks

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MEGILE
09-06-2005, 04:02 PM
Oleg is the new BoB flight model which we are "beta" testing really based on new code or is it just an extension of the rather aging PF flight model?

I ask because there appears to be some very important things which are missing from the FM including correct maximum dive speeds, and realistic compressibility based on mach, ofcourse varying at different altitudes.
These things are currently missing from the FM in 4.01.
I realize the "new" FM is in beta stage, but will these and other flight model features eventually appear at all in BoB?


Thanks

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crazyivan1970
09-06-2005, 04:06 PM
This FM is only "idea" of BOB will be. As Oleg said once...i maybe off in the number.... 15% of BOB`s FM Alot of game engine limitations are accounted for in the new engine that they build. So, will see when it gets here, ok? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WWMaxGunz
09-06-2005, 08:16 PM
Megile the amount of BoB FM that can be carried into PF is limited by the amount of
detail in the PF plane models less than detail in BoB plane models. PF lacks the
data to carry the full amount or it seems even 1/4 of what will be there.

How much can you fit in the trunk of a car as opposed to the back of a pickup truck?
Don't complain about the car trunk when before that it was what you could carry on
the back of a motorbike.

Wolf-Strike
09-07-2005, 12:30 AM
Megile,Oleg got me in the begining of IL2 when he said that there are many modules of flight that are done yet he cant add them due to pc's not being up to the task.

A big problem on these boards is that peeps believe that IL2 is super realistic.Its way past whats out there but its far from being WW2 planes modeled on our pc's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Ill give two examples....first is people saying how the mustang doesnt have its bad center of gravity modeled with full fuel or it doesnt feel like its modeled.Then Oleg comes on and say that no its not modeled yet and will be in BOB(center of gravity change with fuel drop).And a week later someone says that the center of gavity of the fully fueled mustang isnt up to par http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Another is how the planes that are heavy and also have small wings should drop out of the sky if engine cuts off.The FW190 is what im talking about here as an example.It is said that if the engine died in an FW the pilot bailed asap.In FB it sails on and on and on.This is to compensate for a lacking part of the FM and it does its job.Yes you could point the plane down and generate speed but you wanna take the chance when you level out that she'll land nice for ya???

EDIT:I hope I am not downplaying FB with above as I truly enjoy what we have now.

DGC763
09-07-2005, 01:00 AM
Some fair comments Wolf. All except the Fw-190 thing. Were has it ever been said that a Fw will drop out of the sky with an engine failure and that bail out was the best option.

Let me tell you that if you can dead stick land a Mig-21 or a Mirage III or even a space shuttle (not easy but has been down more than once) dead sticking a FW is far from impossible and would have happened countless times.

Wolf-Strike
09-07-2005, 03:02 AM
You are your probably right.I read that it drops like lead on here so who knows if its true or not.I do know that a high wing loaded plane will need way more speed to glide so it has some merit.

About the space shuttle dead stick landing.....they have all done that.Nasa says that they would requier too much fuel to come in and land on jet power so they designed the shuttle to glide in everytime.

EDIT:...........................................
you also have to consider that the mirage and mig-21 were most likely very close to airfield when loss of power came.I would imagine many an FW did dead stick it in if power loss came in sight of airfield.

But if you think about it,a dead engine on a plane that requieres high speed to generate lift doesnt really give you time to scan around and look for a place to land.So the saying dead engine in an FW....its time to bail may hold some truth.

I would love for someone to bring up some facts about this.....anyone???

WWMaxGunz
09-07-2005, 05:39 AM
Look for accounts of pilots who deadsticked planes with shot out engines to get distance
from certain capture, semi-crashed and then ran for it. Only need one account from an
FW pilot to get an idea of how impossible.

For that matter, I'd like to see less blown up on bellying in -- in general.