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mynameisroland
09-08-2006, 03:59 AM
http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/

Anyone else seen or heard about this film? It looks quite good and theres some hot German chicks in it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

To paraphrase FordFan : this is for Euro Lovers only I dont want a single negative remark posted in this thread and I definitely dont want to hear from any Canadians. They can go make their own films for all I care.

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 04:32 AM
I'll defer judgment until I see the trailer. As a Yank, I'll be justly indignant if the true story of Manfred's death isn't shown---potted by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.

mynameisroland
09-08-2006, 05:19 AM
lol

Chuck_Older
09-08-2006, 05:33 AM
I heard that Manfred makes a nasty remark about a Yank in the film. Clearly a socio-political comment against Americans. I demand an apology in triplicate

BSS_Goat
09-08-2006, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I'll defer judgment until I see the trailer. As a Yank, I'll be justly indignant if the true story of Manfred's death isn't shown---potted by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.

After so many years, the truth is finally told....

Feathered_IV
09-08-2006, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I'll defer judgment until I see the trailer. As a Yank, I'll be justly indignant if the true story of Manfred's death isn't shown---potted by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.


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Firing from the hip I suppose?

Xiolablu3
09-08-2006, 06:01 AM
It has Joseph Feinnes in it and he is a good convincing actor. (was the propaganda bloke in Enemy at the Gates)

He can pick and choose his films, so it is definitely showing promise at this early stage. I don thtink he would sign up for anything without checking it out carefully first.

All of the Feinnes command great respect in the acting world (Ralf Feinnes in Schindlers list etc) I think there is one more Feinnes brothers isnt there? Arent there 3 of them?

Cant wait for the film. Should be less cheesy than 'Flyboys' at least.

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 06:03 AM
While standing on his head with one hand because his other was being used to beat up all the Aussies in his locality. I demand an apology and restitution from the German government for every American traumatized by Manfred's remark.

I am skeptical about this item because the ad people have his alleged romance with the good nurse front and center---I sense "cruel, love-starved, murdering Prussian saved by the love of a woman from himself only to be laid low by spoilsport, crude, unsporting Australian infantry who didn't believe in true love &etc."

mynameisroland
09-08-2006, 06:08 AM
Those Feinnes dont hold a candle to the Baldwin Bro's. They are a major Hollywood force. Id like to see another Spielbergian Epic (historically 100% accurate ofcourse) where a band of brothers - the Baldwins of - take on and defeat the Germans at the Battle of Dunkirk saving the free world from those goose stepping Nazis

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 06:12 AM
You are remarkably perceptive---that just happens to be the exact plan for Spielbrat's next epic---don't leave out Tom Hanks leading the 1st U.S. Infantry Division to victory at Stalingrad where he single-handedly defeated both von Paulus and Zhukov!

Vipez-
09-08-2006, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I'll defer judgment until I see the trailer. As a Yank, I'll be justly indignant if the true story of Manfred's death isn't shown---potted by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Firing from the hip I suppose? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hips don't lie.

mynameisroland
09-08-2006, 06:46 AM
Why wasnt John Wayne in Saving Private Ryan? I thought he won teh war too?

Chuck_Older
09-08-2006, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
Why wasnt John Wayne in Saving Private Ryan? I thought he won teh war too?

The guy was with a bunch of paratroopers on D-day, not Rangers, plus he was fighting in the Pacific and Burma and China too. Give the guy a break!

Feathered_IV
09-08-2006, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Vipez-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I'll defer judgment until I see the trailer. As a Yank, I'll be justly indignant if the true story of Manfred's death isn't shown---potted by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.


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Firing from the hip I suppose? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hips don't lie. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 07:39 AM
Somehow I think America has just been ****ged again. I'm going to sue.

HuninMunin
09-08-2006, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
While standing on his head with one hand because his other was being used to beat up all the Aussies in his locality. I demand an apology and restitution from the German government for every American traumatized by Manfred's remark.

I am skeptical about this item because the ad people have his alleged romance with the good nurse front and center---I sense "cruel, love-starved, murdering Prussian saved by the love of a woman from himself only to be laid low by spoilsport, crude, unsporting Australian infantry who didn't believe in true love &etc."

I doubt that wholeheartly.
Just look at the other german war movies.
I suspect it to have some of the usual cinema stuff in it ( love story etc.) but in general I think we'll see something more dark and real in tone then Flyboys for example.
"Dark Blue World" had a love story too but it was done in very different way then the usual Hollywood stuff.
As I said in the Flyboys thread, just look at the
"replicas" they use. The paint schemes are real to the bone.
And the guy playing the Baron himself is known for good character work here in Germany.
I'm full of hope.

Udidtoo
09-08-2006, 07:59 AM
I don't care who they put in it. A 2 hour movie about pizza would be boring as hell.

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 08:05 AM
Glad to read your comments, HuninMunin, and I am now looking forward to the film. American cinema lovers have become rather cynical. The story of von Richthofen deserves to be told well. He was a fascinating man, and there certainly is a great deal of quality biographical material available on his life.

WB_Outlaw
09-08-2006, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by Udidtoo:
I don't care who they put in it. A 2 hour movie about pizza would be boring as hell.

If they made a 2 hour movie about pizza starring only Jessica Simpson and Jessica Alba AND they appeared in every scene AND they were nude the whole time AND the MPAA decided that even an X rating was not harsh enough, then I would watch it and not be bored. In fact, I could probably watch up to 8 hours or so of that movie before I got "bored".

Other than that though, you're right, pizza movie=boring.

--Outlaw.

HuninMunin
09-08-2006, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Glad to read your comments, HuninMunin, and I am now looking forward to the film. American cinema lovers have become rather cynical. The story of von Richthofen deserves to be told well. He was a fascinating man, and there certainly is a great deal of quality biographical material available on his life.

I can imagine how cynical you must've been after leaving Pearl Harbor http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I think the difference between european ( british aside a little bit) and american war movies is just that a <span class="ev_code_RED">typical</span> american audience expects entertainment even in such serious topics like war movies.
As beeing very well aware of the cruelty of war and the absolute absence of pride in the actions our country did in war, although mostly beeing aceptional in military terms, a movie that has history wrong and/or dipicts it in an emotional frame that doesn't do justice to the real events, will be slaughtered in no time by critics.
For example, Das Boot was slaughtered aswell when it was released because it depicted the Nazi soldiers as normal men.
Totaly over the top and caused by the heavy left wing attitude that ruled this country and is only about to finaly break up.
As a result of this "reawoken" pride we feel for our country as it is today and the attitude towards war I can imagine that a movie about the Red Baron made today will be both historicaly correct ( in a certain way) and entertaining.
But again, I only hope so.

Udidtoo
09-08-2006, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by WB_Outlaw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Udidtoo:
I don't care who they put in it. A 2 hour movie about pizza would be boring as hell.

If they made a 2 hour movie about pizza starring only Jessica Simpson and Jessica Alba AND they appeared in every scene AND they were nude the whole time AND the MPAA decided that even an X rating was not harsh enough, then I would watch it and not be bored. In fact, I could probably watch up to 8 hours or so of that movie before I got "bored".

Other than that though, you're right, pizza movie=boring.

--Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jessica Simpson doesn't send me but if they can clone Ms. Alba and have her play both roles I'm in.

In keeping with forum tradition in this type of thread at this point we would be remiss were we to not include some slight slur intended to let "those people" know how we feel about them.It doesn't have to be factual or even rational, as is demonstrated time and again. So here goes nothing.


Damn British, always acting like they think they invented English.

Sigh....I know, feeble but what can I say. I have trouble working up animosity for people I have never met.

BaronUnderpants
09-08-2006, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Glad to read your comments, HuninMunin, and I am now looking forward to the film. American cinema lovers have become rather cynical. The story of von Richthofen deserves to be told well. He was a fascinating man, and there certainly is a great deal of quality biographical material available on his life.

I can imagine how cynical you must've been after leaving Pearl Harbor http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I think the difference between european ( british aside a little bit) and american war movies is just that a <span class="ev_code_RED">typical</span> american audience expects entertainment even in such serious topics like war movies.
As beeing very well aware of the cruelty of war and the absolute absence of pride in the actions our country did in war, although mostly beeing aceptional in military terms, a movie that has history wrong and/or dipicts it in an emotional frame that doesn't do justice to the real events, will be slaughtered in no time by critics.
For example, Das Boot was slaughtered aswell when it was released because it depicted the Nazi soldiers as normal men.
Totaly over the top and caused by the heavy left wing attitude that ruled this country and is only about to finaly break up.
As a result of this "reawoken" pride we feel for our country as it is today and the attitude towards war I can imagine that a movie about the Red Baron made today will be both historicaly correct ( in a certain way) and entertaining.
But again, I only hope so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


As u said, European war movies is totaly differant from thoose made in Hollywood, darker and feels more real. Even the lovestorys within the movies ( if there even is one ) is differant.

I have 1oo times more hope for the RedBaron than i have for Flyboys. Just to name a WWI movie "Flyboys" says it all in my book. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 09:00 AM
Let's put it this way, HuninMunin and BaronUnderpants, it will be a cold day in Hell when an American director will do a film as great as THE TIN DRUM.

HuninMunin
09-08-2006, 09:03 AM
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Or revolutionaire the music with a thing that you named yourself after http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I'm listening to his overture to "Der Fliegende Holl√¬§nder" right as I write this" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 09:10 AM
DIE WALKURE!!!!!!!!!!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

HuninMunin
09-08-2006, 09:20 AM
Siegfrieds Funeral March http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 09:22 AM
Forest Murmurings

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 09:23 AM
TRISTAN UND ISOLDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HotelBushranger
09-08-2006, 09:29 AM
I don't care who they put in it. A 2 hour movie about pizza would be boring as hell.

You've obviously never seen Fat Pizza the Movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://fr.altermedia.info/images/FatPizza.jpg

Chuck_Older
09-08-2006, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
TRISTAN UND ISOLDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pork and beans

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 10:12 AM
Philistine!!!!!!!!!

Chuck_Older
09-08-2006, 10:13 AM
Yeah, sorry about the pork.

HuninMunin
09-08-2006, 10:23 AM
Tannh√¬§user!
The Mastersinger of N√ľrnberg!

Ruy Horta
09-08-2006, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/

Anyone else seen or heard about this film? It looks quite good and theres some hot German chicks in it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Hotdamn, looks like a winner!

Gotta see that one ASAP...

Interminate
09-08-2006, 10:55 AM
This one, no doubt, is going to be quality. Cannot wait.

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leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 11:07 AM
Loki's Theme! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Divine-Wind
09-08-2006, 11:09 AM
Finally! A (new) airplane movie about the other side! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Awesome.

HuninMunin
09-08-2006, 11:58 AM
Siegfrieds Rhine Jorney http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

HuninMunin
09-08-2006, 12:02 PM
Oh du mein holder Abendstern

Frankenstein000
09-08-2006, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
To paraphrase FordFan : this is for Euro Lovers only I dont want a single negative remark posted in this thread and <span class="ev_code_RED">I definitely dont want to hear from any Canadians.</span> They can go make their own films for all I care.

Sorry to dissapoint...

Roy Brown was a Canadian and therefore you're probably gonna hear from a few of us on this topic. He may (or may not) have been the person who shot down Richtofen, but the jury's still out on that one.

A comment like the one above (even if it was meant in jest) is gonna get a few people worked up. Just warning you....

The.Tyke
09-08-2006, 12:15 PM
If this is a German made film, then I CAN'T WAIT !!!
So far my two top war films are German : Das Boot and Downfall.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-08-2006, 12:18 PM
Great. Just what we've all been waiting for. Another nurse-humper in a flying helmet movie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Divine-Wind
09-08-2006, 12:20 PM
BUT!!! It's not about how teh Mustang won teh war. (NOT trying to start an argument)

PBNA-Boosher
09-08-2006, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I'll defer judgment until I see the trailer. As a Yank, I'll be justly indignant if the true story of Manfred's death isn't shown---potted by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.

After so many years, the truth is finally told.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they do picture Roy Brown shooting him down I will be very angry. The bullet went through the bottom of his head and out the top, showing it was clearly from an infantryman, in this case, Sgt. York. (Salute Australia! From a Yank!)

fordfan25
09-08-2006, 12:48 PM
wow this thread has gone so much better than mine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

fordfan25
09-08-2006, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/

Anyone else seen or heard about this film? It looks quite good and theres some hot German chicks in it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

To paraphrase FordFan : this is for Euro Lovers only I dont want a single negative remark posted in this thread and I definitely dont want to hear from any Canadians. They can go make their own films for all I care. ah but i never said i didnt want any negative remarks. just not the same euro whinning about flag waveing and BS USA bashing. but i know now that that cant be helped by some. o well. good luck to your thread ...of course you wont need luck seeing as your thread wont have the same type of people with agendas bashing it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

fordfan25
09-08-2006, 01:05 PM
i wounder if the red barrons love story with his nurse friend will be better accepted than the love story between a fighter piolet and a nurse set in ww2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

BaronUnderpants
09-08-2006, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I'll defer judgment until I see the trailer. As a Yank, I'll be justly indignant if the true story of Manfred's death isn't shown---potted by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.

After so many years, the truth is finally told.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they do picture Roy Brown shooting him down I will be very angry. The bullet went through the bottom of his head and out the top, showing it was clearly from an infantryman, in this case, Sgt. York. (Salute Australia! From a Yank!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, it went through his chest, from one side and out the other ( sideways so to speak ). The baron managed to land ( more or less ) his aircraft before he died. But as u said the entering and exit holes showed that it had to be fired from below ( ground ) Unless the Baron flew inverted at some point that is, or if Eric Brown shot at him from below during the chase.

Xiolablu3
09-08-2006, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
i wounder if the red barrons love story with his nurse friend will be better accepted than the love story between a fighter piolet and a nurse set in ww2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I think that will depend if those scenes are more numerous by far than the WW1 fighting/War scenes.

Pearl HArbour was little fighting and just b*llsh*t all the way thru.

Battle Of Britains love story was easily ignored, it was only a tiny part of the film, much more flying and planes sequences.

Saving Priavate Ryan, loads of Action, no BS spoiling it.

Thin Red Line - SOrt of love story going on, but in a very original and artistic was, LOTs of action/war stuff.

Pearl Harbour was just **** mate, dont you agree? Forget the Hollywood trash action films. I enjoy those, like Topgun, Terminator etc, but Pearl Harbour was just BS. It was a girls love movie, not a war film.

Divine-Wind
09-08-2006, 01:35 PM
The rare flying scenes in PH were pretty good though, I have to say. Although I noticed that the Spitfires were of the wrong make, and the fluff about Zero's being less maneuverable than Warhawks made me choke.

I hope they keep the love scenes in this movie to an acceptable amount. (As in 1-2 10 second scenes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif) Any making out and I'll eat my own head.

fordfan25
09-08-2006, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
i wounder if the red barrons love story with his nurse friend will be better accepted than the love story between a fighter piolet and a nurse set in ww2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I think that will depend if those scenes are more numerous by far than the WW1 fighting/War scenes.

Pearl HArbour was little fighting and just b*llsh*t all the way thru.

Battle Of Britains love story was easily ignored, it was only a tiny part of the film, much more flying and planes sequences.

Saving Priavate Ryan, loads of Action, no BS spoiling it.

Thin Red Line - SOrt of love story going on, but in a very original and artistic was, LOTs of action/war stuff.

Pearl Harbour was just **** mate, dont you agree? Forget the Hollywood trash action films. I enjoy those, like Topgun, Terminator etc, but Pearl Harbour was just BS. It was a girls love movie, not a war film. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>please seeing ben aflaik getting hit in the nose by that cork WAS the movie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-08-2006, 01:49 PM
Which brings me back to post I made months ago - would anybody pay for a DVD just featuring the airborne sequences from movies like Battle of Britain, Tora Tora Tora, The Blue Max, Empire of the Sun, Catch-22, etc? Maybe one already exists?

bienenbaer
09-08-2006, 03:38 PM
I am afraid you will be disappointed by the movie. This is not like the "Das Boot" or "Der Untergang". These were filmed after some of the best german post war literature.

"Red Baron" is more like the average german post 1980 TV production faked as cinema movie for additional profits. The story-book is always left-wing liberal, pacifist, depressive, oko-facist whining on speed. A few words from the story line confirm this suspicion: "nurse" "opens his eyes" "brutality and barbarity of war".

In particular, in these productions the boy is always to blame and the boy the never gets the girl in the end. He either ends up gay, or as a cook on a cruise-liner, or hunted by the Mafia, or is shot down by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.

This is why, as a german, I prefer all-american Hollywood movies. Ben Affleck at least gets the girl.

HuninMunin
09-08-2006, 04:33 PM
WTF,Mann?!

DuxCorvan
09-08-2006, 04:52 PM
G√¬∂tterd√¬§mmerung... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 06:10 PM
One difference may be that v.R. really was a combat burn-out case who may or may not have developed an attachment to the good nurse. His severe head wound knocked him out, off-and-on, for months, and left him with fears of being burned alive, etc (but he overcame them with his will). Would be too bad if the film reduces him to a whining poodle needing female redemption. He was a hard man who did his duty to the end---not a bad credo, not a bad life. One very good sign---the film seems to have been done with an eye for accuracy in the aircraft etc.

song of the Rhine maidens! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

SkyChimp
09-08-2006, 06:47 PM
It needs Ben Afflek to make it a great movie. He's not a pilot, but he plays on in the movies.

LStarosta
09-08-2006, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I'll defer judgment until I see the trailer. As a Yank, I'll be justly indignant if the true story of Manfred's death isn't shown---potted by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.

After so many years, the truth is finally told.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they do picture Roy Brown shooting him down I will be very angry. The bullet went through the bottom of his head and out the top, showing it was clearly from an infantryman, in this case, Sgt. York. (Salute Australia! From a Yank!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You is wrong.

Snoopy pwned teh red b4r0n.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-08-2006, 06:51 PM
Most of his biographers agree that he was never the same after his head wound, and his later letters home do seem a tad depressive.

Perhaps the Blue Max worked so well because it was fictitious with a nod to historical events - we're not all up in arms about the fact that the real 'plane shot down over Stachel's airfield was really an R.E. 8, not the Avro as shown in the movie...still not as good as the book though.


Agadoo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

leitmotiv
09-08-2006, 07:39 PM
The obvious flaws (yes, the book is better!) of BLUE MAX are irrelevant because it is a great piece of film work, a great story, with a great cast (we can even believe Peppard and a primarily British cast are German). When you see a dogfight in that film, it is a gaggle of slow, touchy biplanes coming together in seeming slow motion with their slow-firing guns going tack-tack-tack. You are pulled into the period---it is brilliant. FLY BRATS belongs to the ignoramas school of Hollywood pinheads who want every flying film to be TOP GOON so P-40s and Nieuports must go like F-14s on rocket fuel, and the characters must look, talk, and behave exactly like contemporary people, and, worst of all, have contemporary attitudes. The belief of these nitwits is that history is not good enough because audiences won't "relate" to a film if they can't find it to be exactly like their own times and expectations. Ecccccchhhhh.

horseback
09-08-2006, 09:58 PM
Sorry to dissapoint...

Roy Brown was a Canadian and therefore you're probably gonna hear from a few of us on this topic. He may (or may not) have been the person who shot down Richtofen, but the jury's still out on that one.

A comment like the one above (even if it was meant in jest) is gonna get a few people worked up. Just warning you.... Oh, you Canadians. It's always the same story--you hear that there's a fight going on, and show up all bright eyed and bushy-tailed, assuming that a hockey game is just bound to break out eventually...

cheers

horseback

tagTaken2
09-08-2006, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by bienenbaer:
I am afraid you will be disappointed by the movie. This is not like the "Das Boot" or "Der Untergang". These were filmed after some of the best german post war literature.

"Red Baron" is more like the average german post 1980 TV production faked as cinema movie for additional profits. The story-book is always left-wing liberal, pacifist, depressive, oko-facist whining on speed. A few words from the story line confirm this suspicion: "nurse" "opens his eyes" "brutality and barbarity of war".

In particular, in these productions the boy is always to blame and the boy the never gets the girl in the end. He either ends up gay, or as a cook on a cruise-liner, or hunted by the Mafia, or is shot down by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.

This is why, as a german, I prefer all-american Hollywood movies. Ben Affleck at least gets the girl.

I'm sold. Happy endings bore me.

leitmotiv
09-09-2006, 12:36 AM
The Manfred film will have a happy ending---for the Australian infantry who got souveniers of Manfred's red Fokker!

HuninMunin
09-09-2006, 12:38 AM
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Frankenstein000
09-09-2006, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
Oh, you Canadians. It's always the same story--you hear that there's a fight going on, and show up all bright eyed and bushy-tailed, assuming that a hockey game is just bound to break out eventually...

cheers

horseback

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WTE_Ibis
09-09-2006, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Siegfrieds Funeral March http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
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Yes! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WTE_Ibis
09-09-2006, 04:34 AM
The Barons funeral.

http://premium1.uploadit.org/Ibissix//3sqn_MvRfuneral_01.jpg

DuxCorvan
09-09-2006, 05:58 AM
Battle of Britain. They could have made *some* sacrifice during the filming.

But I love the end: because Fokker E.V high-wing monoplane was really that dangerous in its early stages, and Peppard's fatal accident was really plausible with that plane. (It was a great fighter after it was retired, modified and re-released as Fokker D.VIII, though.)

Xiolablu3
09-09-2006, 12:44 PM
I think you are talking about 'The Blue Max'

Battle of Britain is a WW2 film.

Xiolablu3
09-09-2006, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by bienenbaer:
I am afraid you will be disappointed by the movie. This is not like the "Das Boot" or "Der Untergang". These were filmed after some of the best german post war literature.

"Red Baron" is more like the average german post 1980 TV production faked as cinema movie for additional profits. The story-book is always left-wing liberal, pacifist, depressive, oko-facist whining on speed. A few words from the story line confirm this suspicion: "nurse" "opens his eyes" "brutality and barbarity of war".

In particular, in these productions the boy is always to blame and the boy the never gets the girl in the end. He either ends up gay, or as a cook on a cruise-liner, or hunted by the Mafia, or is shot down by Sergeant York with his turkey shooting rifle.

This is why, as a german, I prefer all-american Hollywood movies. Ben Affleck at least gets the girl.

I think you will find he died half way thru http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

bienenbaer
09-09-2006, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
WTF,Mann?!

(this reply refers to some movies/actory only known in Germany, sorry to the international audience, but this is where the point is)

I was just preparing the non-german audience to a kind of 90's Katja Riemann/Til Schweiger movie. I mean, they are expecting a war-movie like "Battle of Britain" but - honestly - it seems like "Lindenstrasse" on biplanes.

Reasoning:

1. Google story-writer/director Niki Muellerschoen. You'll find his IMDB entry, which is frightening:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0618391/

2. The movie synopsis describes his attitudes shortly before his dead as: "When he realizes that, due to the military's abuse of him for purpose of propaganda, he has led thousands od soldiers, who blindly idolize him, to their doom, Manfred von Ricjthofen decides ro withdraw from being the object of hero worship .."

Compare this to what both the german and english wikipedia say about mentality at the time. wikipedia is not a very reliable source, but here it may be true, because the subject is not religious/political.

leitmotiv
09-09-2006, 07:02 PM
Completely agree, bienenbaer. I saw that very same item about vR's alledged realization which is, of course, utter nonsense. Putting it directly, vR was psychologically incapable of holding such views because of his upbringing and his own choice. It is not acceptable to the director that he was not like a contemporary person of certain political persuasions so he must be reshaped to conform with these beliefs. Of course, the real story is that, despite a severe head injury which damaged him physically and mentally, he kept on trying to do his duty until he was killed. This is unacceptable to a certain mentality which finds such behavior politically retrograde and politically primitive. Thus, one of the great German personalities must be reshaped to make him palatable to contemporary taste.

Xiolablu3
09-09-2006, 07:22 PM
I thought he really did start to lose it a bit after he was shot down and wounded?

I have read that he got careless and didnt seem to care much anymore.

WHich is one of hte reasons he was shot down, he followed an enemy far over Allied territory, somehting he would NEVER have done years before.

leitmotiv
09-09-2006, 08:24 PM
Whether his performance suffered is a legitimate question, but a transformation into a pacifist-anti-"militarist" is ludicrous. Manfred had engaged in low-level hot pursuits of quarry before his final, ill-advised chase over the Australian lines, that's how he killed British hero Lanoe Hawker in 1916, but a pell-mell chase over enemy lines was not his style. On the other hand, all of us make mistakes, really stupid mistakes, and vR possibly just "blew it."

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-10-2006, 05:56 AM
Leitmotiv - I fully agree with your point about contemporary attitudes. Probably why the original version of 'All Quiet On The Western Front' remains so powerful, it was made by the generation who fought WW1.

Anyone interested in Von Richthofen could do far worse than to check out 'Under The Guns Of The Red Baron' by Norman Franks, Hal Giblin and Nigel McCrery; ISBN 1 898697 96 5. Grub Street 1998.

The book takes an unusual approach in that it provides biographies (the vast majority accompanied by photographs) of vR's 123 victims. Far from painting the Red Baron black, this device adds a poignant reminder of the human cost of war.

And I think bienenbaer has given us justified cause for concern. Thanks for the warning.

leitmotiv
09-10-2006, 06:50 AM
Will get it, Low_Flyer_MkVb. I admire all Franks' work. Too bad about the Manfred film. Seems we don't want to know how people thought at one time---all we want is to see our current attitudes affirmed by transporting them to the past.

HuninMunin
09-10-2006, 09:29 AM
Well, even if your concerns come true ( lets all hope they won't); we'll still have the dogfighting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

leitmotiv
09-10-2006, 09:36 AM
Absolutely right, speaking of...

FLIEGENDER HOLLANDER!

HuninMunin
09-10-2006, 09:54 AM
You loose.
I allready had that one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
But.......Fafner,Fafner......erwache Wurm!

leitmotiv
09-10-2006, 02:53 PM
Damn! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Interminate
10-08-2006, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by bienenbaer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
WTF,Mann?!

(this reply refers to some movies/actory only known in Germany, sorry to the international audience, but this is where the point is)



2. The movie synopsis describes his attitudes shortly before his dead as: "When he realizes that, due to the military's abuse of him for purpose of propaganda, he has led thousands od soldiers, who blindly idolize him, to their doom, Manfred von Ricjthofen decides ro withdraw from being the object of hero worship .."

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the only part of the synopsis I have a problem with. I don't want some PC moralising in this film, and I let them know this. Just give me an objective film and I will attend.

WWMaxGunz
10-08-2006, 04:20 PM
So how's the flying and maneuvers gonna be? Will all the GAS fighters be red triplanes?

I vidcapped my old tape of Hell's Angels for long-term backup and those planes (1930) were
all the real articles that Hughes acquired at the end of WWI. 1 Gotha bomber. A complete
freaking about 15 plane wing of DVII's. Two wings of SE-5A's. At least 1 Brit 2 seater.
Most of it is in one long bit near the end but that part is gold and runs a long way not
counting cutscenes to the Flying Circus HQ including the tents and the takeoff maneuvers.

Ruy Horta
10-09-2006, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
So how's the flying and maneuvers gonna be? Will all the GAS fighters be red triplanes?

You didn't check all documentary material on the site, now did you?!

Bearcat99
10-09-2006, 07:06 AM
I am looking forward to this movie as well. I caught Flyboys, which though not historically accurate and had it's flaws for sure, was still a good film IMO and as always it was great to see the aircraft on the screen with today's technology. CGI allows for a greater level of detail and camera angles than before. No more of that film in the background screen that is so obvious in most cases, and while CGI is often very easy to spot to any one who is into film, youd be surprised at how much CGI we actually miss in most films because it isnt in a place that you obviously would expect it.