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Bo_Nidle
05-30-2006, 09:27 AM
I remember the original BG in the 70's and thought it was total cr@p so when the new series was first shown in the UK I took no notice and never bothered to watch it.

When Sky One TV showed the second series I was bored one night and began to watch the first episode- I was hooked!!! This was NOT the 70's BG by a loooong way!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Anyone with any knowledge of military jargon, protocols, carrier aviation can see immediately that this shows creators have taken a lot of care to reflect actual combat aviation in their portrayal of air-to-air/air-to-ground operations.
(I just bought Season One DVD set which has an episode where they attacking a Cylon base on an asteroid coming in at very low level to avoid detection-they refer to "flak suppression", drop decoys against SAMs etc-excellent stuff!)The way the combat is filmed gives the impression of a combat cameraman recording the events-camera shakes,sudden pans and zooms into the action,really different and very effective.

The new BG is very violent, graphic, risque, gritty and as for that sexy Cylon bird that only Dr Baltar can see? I cant blame him, I'd also do anything she told me to!!! woof! woof! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The driving force behind the new show is Ron Moore. He wrote some of the best combat episodes of Star Trek TNG and Deep Space Nine (the best Trek IMHO) and he appears to have a very good knowledge of things military.

If you haven't watched this show yet I wholeheartedly recommend it, try it I think you'll be pleasently surprised. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BSS_Goat
05-30-2006, 09:30 AM
geek http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bewolf
05-30-2006, 09:45 AM
Count me in to the geek crowd. I love that series. =)

BSS_CUDA
05-30-2006, 09:48 AM
BSG rocks, if you remember the original series you be able to see the similarities, but they have changed alot of things about the story line.

JG53Frankyboy
05-30-2006, 09:54 AM
and the 3. season is already announced http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-30-2006, 10:05 AM
I was sceptical about the new stuff too myself, my brother had raved about it, but although I had been a fan of the origional movie, I had hated the series.

Also I couldnt get my head around the whole looking like humans thang.

Still one night like you I only watched it because I was bored and whammo I have now watched the entire first two series and am itching to see season 3 (what a cliff hanger).

honestly if your missing some good quality scifi in your life then this one realy does fill the hole.

Plus the battle scenes are excellent stuff and the effect of combat in space is top notch.

Still wish they would say 'By your Command' just once though I still miss the old toasters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Actualy it does raise one geek like question

Borg v's Cylon who would win?

BSS_CUDA
05-30-2006, 10:10 AM
Borg, resistance is futile http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Dizz_
05-30-2006, 10:19 AM
I was quite surprised by the quality and I'm hooked on it as well...count me among the geeks. We're not the only one's apparently as it recently won a Peabody.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=35328

FlatSpinMan
05-30-2006, 10:21 AM
I had to go google it after reading this. Are the Cylons now really just very attractive women? HTF does that work? Might go rent it anyway.

F19_Orheim
05-30-2006, 10:25 AM
I too was sceptical, but again.... this is a great SF series, very hi quality, good visual effects and most important: Good acting.

Edward James Olmos rules and has always done so

hsj
05-30-2006, 10:40 AM
agreed, awesome show. none of the bs other sci-fi has like body switching, holodecks with entire episodes taking place in 18th century england, time travel so that the entire cast can dress up as hippies, alternate universe so that the cast can play evil, etc... etc...

purely story driven with solid sci-fi elements.

TacticalYak3
05-30-2006, 10:43 AM
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Xiolablu3
05-30-2006, 10:45 AM
I saw the 2 pilot episodes and found it boring with no action at all.

Are the later episodes much better?

horseback
05-30-2006, 10:56 AM
Excellent series. Have all the currently available DVDs, and eagerly awaiting release of the Season 3.0 DVD (and I never buy DVD anthologies of TV series). One of the few 'military' TV depictions that doesn't have me groaning with irritation and saying "that would NEVER happen!"

cheers

horseback

JFC_Rautaristi
05-30-2006, 11:01 AM
I love it aswell.

I would also like to point out the music. I feel they're nice and nearly always fit the scene http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif I think the composer was Richard Gibbs, correct me if i'm wrong...

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-30-2006, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I saw the 2 pilot episodes and found it boring with no action at all.

Are the later episodes much better?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Hmm I suggest you go here for some therapy report back after asimilation

Non Believers (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6231009844)

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-30-2006, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by JFC_Rautaristi:
I love it aswell.

I would also like to point out the music. I feel they're nice and nearly always fit the scene http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif I think the composer was Richard Gibbs, correct me if i'm wrong...

Yes I liked the music also very good. I found it also somewhat reminicant of the KODO DRUM style of which I am a big fan.

StellarRat
05-30-2006, 11:23 AM
Blows the old BSG away. IMO, the best sci-fi series since ST:NG. Good acting, good writing, good effects.

T_O_A_D
05-30-2006, 11:45 AM
Yep count me a Geek also on this one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

BSS_CUDA
05-30-2006, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by StellarRat:
Blows the old BSG away. IMO, the best sci-fi series since ST:NG. Good acting, good writing, good effects. Personally B-5 was the best Sci-Fi series ever, BSG is a close second. B-5 was 7 seasons of some of the most intense cliff hanging space battle scene that I can ever remember in a series

Capt.LoneRanger
05-30-2006, 12:02 PM
If you are a Geek, when you love that series, call me GEEK!

I was sceptical, too, but this series really has a whole new character, enough parallels to the original series, but a whole different look and feel. It's a lot more 3Dimensional than the simple good vs bad theme of the original.

I was also surprised to see the former Miami Vice-Lieutenant Castillo as Adama. Perfect actor for that job, IMHO.


S! @ Kobol

Sharpe26
05-30-2006, 12:06 PM
now if the fans of the original could only convince the powers that be that a continuation movie in which the original cast finds Earth could also work.

Unknown_Target
05-30-2006, 12:07 PM
Yes, a very good series... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

By the way, I'm part of the mod that is porting it to Freespace 2...(which you can download for free now - it's abandonware. Check )www.hard-light.net (http://www.hard-light.net)).
Here's the mod forum address:

http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=2b0...6a220b3f974f683&f=36 (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=2b012118e6ed823256a220b3f974f68 3&f=36)


Here's some pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/staff_images/WIP%20Gallery/BSG%20Mod%20Promo.jpg

http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/staff_images/WIP%20Gallery/Starbuck8.jpg

http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/staff_images/Asteroid/Mk7_Asteroid.jpg


And yes, the physics will be (mostly) newtonian (I'm in charge of them; they've been slightly toned down for gameplay purposes).

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-30-2006, 01:08 PM
OMG now that is some funky stuff right there mate and thanks for the heads up. The one thing that series left me with after watching it as the disire to jump into a Viper and blast some toaster azz !! I will be checking this one out be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Bo_Nidle
05-30-2006, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
I had to go google it after reading this. Are the Cylons now really just very attractive women? HTF does that work? Might go rent it anyway.

Beautiful women manipulating men to do their bidding? HTF does that work? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ...and I'M called a geek!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The Cylon centurions are there but CGi and twice as nasty(?) Making some of the Cylons human was I think initially a budget saving measure but it opened up a very intresting and paranoid avenue of telling the story.

The latest Mark of the Viper (VII?)looks very cool.

If I was to level a criticsm though it would be-Where is the Viper pilots HUD? How do they aim the guns?

Megile_
05-30-2006, 01:32 PM
I catch it sometimes.. but have no idea where the story line is

The blonde cylon... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



http://battlestar.ugo.com/images/girls/tricia_helfer/large/tricia_helfer_1.jpg

Bo_Nidle
05-30-2006, 01:44 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again:
WOOF! WOOF! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

WOLFMondo
05-30-2006, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
BSG rocks, if you remember the original series you be able to see the similarities, but they have changed alot of things about the story line.

The sexual tension between Starbuck and Apollo is just like the original though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

WWSensei
05-30-2006, 02:38 PM
I find the new BSG to be one of the best written and protrayed drama series on the air today. The story just happens to be in space.

My wife despises science fiction and she is a devoted watcher after seeing an episode or two with me.

The original series was ok, but it was written for children. The new series is written for adults and I like it much more.

VW-IceFire
05-30-2006, 05:25 PM
I've got a small group of friends, some who are non-scifi fans watching the show now after an episode or two. I watched re-runs of the original series on SPACE back a few years ago so when I heard about the new one and saw some of the mini-series clips that came out I knew I had to see it.

I was blown away. The miniseries was great and dripping with suspense and drama.

BSG has turned into a fantastic series to watch on TV. The CGI work is phenominal ...its at near movie quality and the CGI camera work is indeed like someone is actually there filiming whats going on. I love when one of the Cylon ships gets split open and parts of it smash up against the screen during season 2. It sounds a bit cheesy but it works so well!

The cast is pretty amazing as well. There's lots of them, they all interact in a very coherent and realistic way, and they are all very interesting characters. Even the various villians and detractors are interesting and complex characters that you can't help but identify with.

Oh and all of the hot women on the show...Canadians...thats right! Oh yeah! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Agamemnon22
05-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Aye, BSG rocks. Been following it since near the beginning. The writing rocks my socks.

In fact, it seems like a lot of sci-fi tv show vets are collaborating on this. IIRC, one of the writers is from Deep Space 9 (and possibly Voyager), the effects supervisor is from B5 (with his signature extremely long shots and zooms), and I think there are other people from ST.

fordfan25
05-30-2006, 05:42 PM
yea the new BSG rocks. so far its not beating B-5 though.

WTE_Galway
05-30-2006, 06:09 PM
too much romance in it

GBrutus
05-30-2006, 06:21 PM
Not seen a single episode yet. I just assumed it would be cr@p for some reason. Will have to check it out.

Von_Rat
05-30-2006, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
I was sceptical about the new stuff too myself, my brother had raved about it, but although I had been a fan of the origional movie, I had hated the series.

Also I couldnt get my head around the whole looking like humans thang.

Still one night like you I only watched it because I was bored and whammo I have now watched the entire first two series and am itching to see season 3 (what a cliff hanger).

honestly if your missing some good quality scifi in your life then this one realy does fill the hole.

Plus the battle scenes are excellent stuff and the effect of combat in space is top notch.

Still wish they would say 'By your Command' just once though I still miss the old toasters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Actualy it does raise one geek like question

Borg v's Cylon who would win?


they did say,, 'By your Command',, in one episode.

AnaK774
05-30-2006, 06:50 PM
Well, biggest shock in new BSG for me was Starbucks missing b*lls http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Targ
05-30-2006, 06:52 PM
Great show indeed, top notch in all regards and even if you do not like sci-fi it is also a fantastic drama.

Blottogg
05-30-2006, 07:18 PM
I like it a lot better than the original, and agree that the writing is a lot more mature (aiming for the same audience who watched the original 30 years ago as kids will do that I guess.) My only gripe is that at times they've got TOO much going on at once. With three or four story arcs already in the fire, I'd tune in to find them introducing another crisis instead of wrapping up one of the others. ADHD patients, you've been warned.

They've obviously (from the radio chatter, ward room banter, etc.) had technical advisors from the US Navy, and paid them some attention. The infiltrator Cylons open up a whole new world of plot twists and intrique, though you'd think the glowing spine thing would show up on a CT scan, instead of needing the mysterious Baltar Cylon Test (TM).

The series is on holiday for the summer on SciFi Channel here in the 'States, being replaced by the new Doctor Who (which is also excellent.) I have no idea where they're going to take it for season three after the end-of-season cliff-hanger.

sukebeboy
05-30-2006, 08:14 PM
Count me in as a fan as well. At least for the loverly CGI space fights. The whole spirituality/nautre of existence mumbo jumbo gets on my nerves at times.

Also, as an ex-Vancouverite, I really wish they'd find some other locations to use as "generic futuristic looking building" besides the public library or the SFU campus.

http://www.kriskrug.com/images/vancouver-library-battlestar-galactica.jpg

_VR_ScorpionWorm
05-30-2006, 10:30 PM
I love the New series but have any of you thought the second season had too many events/plots rushed waaaaaay to fast? There were many good plot lines that could have extended just a liiiittle bit more.

Well, here's to season 3 in... was it Sept.?

GAU-8
05-31-2006, 12:58 AM
i have only seen an episode or two. its ok.. i have to adjust to it, i prolly caught it in mid series.

what i LOVE! is are the viper pilots body armor/flight suits!

they HAVE to sell these somewhere.. i want one for my motorcycling fun...an excellent blend of traditional sportbike armor, but with a touch of "different" to it.. looks REALLY good!

Ruy Horta
05-31-2006, 02:46 AM
Love the series, have bought the original 1st series (not the earth follow up - which I don't like), the new pilot and the 1st new season, awaiting the release of the 2nd.

The original is now pretty much dated, but still fun to watch. It really looks like TV acting in general has improved, don't have to bother about effects...

Although I love BSG the new series has some flaws (IMHO). The Colonials have lost their alien culture, they have become Americans in space. Clothing, military jargon etc, culture (with the smallest exeption of religion).

It is rather ironic to see tens of reporters being so busy for less than 50K people...

Another weakness is the design of Cylon fighters, which have become something out of Wing Commander. Perhaps the Cylons needed some reviewing, but their fighters might have been more true to the original.

The new Base Stars look impressive though.

Although I miss the old Starbuck and Boomer, the new Starbuck has something going for her.

But my main gripe must be Americans in Space, to the point of US Navy in space. Not meant as being anti-american, but as something that stands in the way of being a different culture that evolved in a seperate way (regardless of a common mythology and base culture).

EDIT:

The old series did not have this problem, at least not to the point of being noticeable or a detractor to good science fiction.

Sometimes it feels more like Space Above and Beyond instead of Battlestar Galactica!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-31-2006, 03:02 AM
LOL well you could have a point there it does feel like your watching carrier ops on the USS GALACTICA at time's but then you would have to be nuts to try and release a new series (that you were not even sure was going to make it past the pilot) and not target your home audience.

Besides us Euros get to play the bad guys in a lot of the sci-fi movies these days, and frankly we get the better weapons, chicks and toys so I think its a good trade. Gaius Baltar is a Brit after all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That said even the early star trek was just wagon train in space.

Personaly I don't mind it 'Yanks give good Sci-Fi' and I will take that over bloody Dr Who and sodding Billy bloody Piper with her pseudo cockney drawl and boo hoo my dads dead anyday.

Gimme big leggy American (apologies I mean Canadian) Blond Bimbo's and a laser cannon and I am happy as the porker in the fertilizer.

Shallow ? Me ? You Bet!

P.s Which episode did they say 'By your command' in I musta missed that one?

Series three I think is due in October

WWSensei
05-31-2006, 10:48 AM
Sometimes it feels more like Space Above and Beyond instead of Battlestar Galactica!

Another series I loved. Not realisitic in terms of physics/science, but one of the few shows I found that really showed what a close knit military unit is like. The episode "Sugar Dirt" is one of the best written shows. Ever.

Also, by far, one of the best sources of one liners to come from any series.

Boss Ross: "Send out the 48th....wait...belay that order...shuffle up the Wild Cards....and DEAL'em"

"You go out there, you find this bastard, and you PILE ON!"

Who can forget the DI?
http://www.cyberpursuits.com/heckifiknow/saab/vids/saab007P.wmv

and who can forget THE battle prayer of all time? Col McQueen preps to head out for a 1 on 1 against Chiggy von Richtofen...

Chaplain: "Col McQueen, perhaps you should make peace with your maker?"

McQueen: "My maker was some geek in a lab coat with an eye dropper and Petri dish. What do I need to make peace with him for?"

Chaplain: "In these times we should all make peace with our Maker."

McQueen: "With all due respect, Chaplain, I don't think our Maker wants to hear from me right now. Because he knows I am going to go out in that sky in this plane and remove one of his creations from His universe. And when I return I'm going to drink a bottle of Scotch as if it were Chiggy von Richtofen's blood and celebrate his death."

...long pause...

Chaplain: "Amen."

fordfan25
05-31-2006, 10:52 AM
Unknown_Target
were can i find the actual freespace 2 download.i hunted all over that site you linked but could only find mods.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-31-2006, 11:07 AM
You might want to try looking here Ford ?

Not sure if its every thing you need but I think it has the images for download

http://www.freespacezone.net/

mortoma1958
05-31-2006, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I remember the original BG in the 70's and thought it was total cr@p so when the new series was first shown in the UK I took no notice and never bothered to watch it.

When Sky One TV showed the second series I was bored one night and began to watch the first episode- I was hooked!!! This was NOT the 70's BG by a loooong way!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Anyone with any knowledge of military jargon, protocols, carrier aviation can see immediately that this shows creators have taken a lot of care to reflect actual combat aviation in their portrayal of air-to-air/air-to-ground operations.
(I just bought Season One DVD set which has an episode where they attacking a Cylon base on an asteroid coming in at very low level to avoid detection-they refer to "flak suppression", drop decoys against SAMs etc-excellent stuff!)The way the combat is filmed gives the impression of a combat cameraman recording the events-camera shakes,sudden pans and zooms into the action,really different and very effective.

The new BG is very violent, graphic, risque, gritty and as for that sexy Cylon bird that only Dr Baltar can see? I cant blame him, I'd also do anything she told me to!!! woof! woof! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The driving force behind the new show is Ron Moore. He wrote some of the best combat episodes of Star Trek TNG and Deep Space Nine (the best Trek IMHO) and he appears to have a very good knowledge of things military.

If you haven't watched this show yet I wholeheartedly recommend it, try it I think you'll be pleasently surprised. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Uhhhh....I thought the original series was made in the early 80s, not the 70s as you say.

mortoma1958
05-31-2006, 12:27 PM
Nevermind, my bad. I googled it and found that the first episode aired in the US on Sept. 17th, 1978.
I must have known it through reruns then???

Ruy Horta
05-31-2006, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sometimes it feels more like Space Above and Beyond instead of Battlestar Galactica!

Another series I loved. Not realisitic in terms of physics/science, but one of the few shows I found that really showed what a close knit military unit is like. The episode "Sugar Dirt" is one of the best written shows. Ever. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love(d) that series as well, waiting for it to get on on Region 2 DVD.

Not sure which episode is Sugar Dirt, but there were many I found very good. One was a Special Ops mission, with only one of the characters, drawing from the All Quiet on the Western Front theme. Good acting, intense setting.

Well, the new BSG feels like part rip off from SA&B, especially the the space combat, although a couple of generations (or more) of improved CG.

Never understood however how highly trained fighter (space)pilots were forced to do infantry work. Sure didn't feel economical of earths limited resources. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Can't wait for the R2 though!!

Same for BSG season 2

WWSensei
05-31-2006, 12:42 PM
Never understood however how highly trained fighter (space)pilots were forced to do infantry work. Sure didn't feel economical of earths limited resources. Angry Blue Guy

They were following current US Marine Corps doctrine. US Marine pilots are trained first as infantry combat soldiers before pilot training. Their mission is primarily CAS and they do it knowing what the ground pounder is going through. I don't know all the specifics of it but perhaps a Marine pilot could expand on it.

Bo_Nidle
05-31-2006, 01:12 PM
I do agree that it does seem as if its the US Navy in space but I think that is the idea and I think its stronger for it.

I also agree that the Marines should be more at the forefront for infantry combat-perhaps the introduction of a new major character in the shape of a Marine officer is necessary?

It does have similarities with "Space:Above and Beyond" but its unavoidable due to the type of story.

I think there is an influence of James Camerons "ALIENS" in the look of some of the equipment.

I notice the smallarms they use are based on real firearms.

In the first series the Marines use FN P90's fitted with suppressors.
http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/CQB/hsts_p90_sm.jpg

In series 2 the standard sidearm is now the Beretta CX4 Storm
http://www.sixwinter.com/phil/images/gun%20images/Bat%20Gun%20update/cx4storm.jpg

While the pistol, which was a Hollywood design in series 1, has now become the FN Five Seven with a mini grenade launcher attached:
http://www.civiliangunner.com/images/HGFNFiveSeven.jpg

The lack of laser bolts flying back and forth also adds to the realism.

Snyde-Dastardly
05-31-2006, 02:22 PM
Big geek fan here as well. I love it!

ploughman
05-31-2006, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
I do agree that it does seem as if its the US Navy in space but I think that is the idea and I think its stronger for it.

I also agree that the Marines should be more at the forefront for infantry combat-perhaps the introduction of a new major character in the shape of a Marine officer is necessary?

It does have similarities with "Space:Above and Beyond" but its unavoidable due to the type of story.

I think there is an influence of James Camerons "ALIENS" in the look of some of the equipment.

I notice the smallarms they use are based on real firearms.

In the first series the Marines use FN P90's fitted with suppressors.
http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/CQB/hsts_p90_sm.jpg

In series 2 the standard sidearm is now the Beretta CX4 Storm
http://www.sixwinter.com/phil/images/gun%20images/Bat%20Gun%20update/cx4storm.jpg

While the pistol, which was a Hollywood design in series 1, has now become the FN Five Seven with a mini grenade launcher attached:
http://www.civiliangunner.com/images/HGFNFiveSeven.jpg

The lack of laser bolts flying back and forth also adds to the realism.

Let us not forget that many Star Wars small arms are based on MG38s, folding stock Sterling SMGs sans magasines etc.,. And very offensive and diddly futuristic they look too.

blakduk
05-31-2006, 06:33 PM
I too enjoyed the new series- we've only had season one so far in Oz.
The original was quite good fun in a 70's kind of way (you have to have lived in that era to appreciate just how weird it was). The whole fantasy explanation for the lost tribe of Israel and an extraterrestrial explanation for the Egypt of the Pharaohs was topical at the time.
What i find funny about the new series is the depiction of 'flight' in the combat sequences. It seems the CGI guys cant quite break from the limitations of planes flying in an atmosphere. The ships limit themselves to relatively low angle of attacks etc and objects break off and slow down, as though the friction of an atmosphere is ******ing their progress.

Unknown_Target
05-31-2006, 06:59 PM
Sorry Ford http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If you had searched through the forums, you probably would have found the download. Balrog is right though, www.freespacezone.net (http://www.freespacezone.net) does have the images. BUT, you do need to go to HLP (Hard Light Productions) to get all the new Source Code Project doohickeys (shorthand is SCP). Search around in the forums and you'll find what you need, I don't have any direct links on me (sorry).
Seriously though, if you get everything, the game looks brand new http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The-Pizza-Man
06-01-2006, 03:23 AM
Has anyone in aus bought the first season box set that includes the mini-series, I've been looking all over for that and can't find it. I know it exists because I read a review of it on IGN.

Blottogg
06-01-2006, 03:23 AM
Sensei, I'd forgotten about Space:Above and Beyond. That was another good one, that died a premature death. And yes, the philosophy in the Marine Corps is "Every man a rifleman, every officer a platoon leader." All pilots conplete Platoon Leaders School, usually before pilot training IIRC (prior to my lackluster Air Force career, I was briefly known as "Midshipman 4th class (Retired)", and all Marine ROTC cadets go through NROTC, there being no separate ROTC for the Corps.) That being said, they spend a lot of money training Marine pilots, and while they COULD lead a platoon, it would be a waste of said training, and it is rarely done in real life. Certainly not while they're assigned to a fighter squadron. I guess the potential gave the writers more latitude for different situations/settings. The series struck me as Vietnam in space (with a David Drake influence perhaps?) but they did well with it.

Back to BSG, the actor playing Apollo is actually a Brit, though he uses an American accent (better than many Americans, I might add.) In interviews (I've got season 1 on DVD) it's odd to hear a proper British accent coming out of the same head as the character. My wife is still bummed about a chick Starbuck, but I think they pull it off well for the most part. Richard Hatch coming back for a new role is interesting, too.

Bo Nidle, thanks for the weapons pics. They use P90's for SG-1 and Atlantis too, I guess because they look futuristic and are fairly compact (to keep from getting in the actor's way.) In those outdoor scenes I always cringe at how under-gunned they are though. The male lead will occasionally wield a 249 SAW though (weapons don't jam in Hollywood, unless the script calls for it.) In BSG and SG-1, I'm glad to see there's still a place for slug-throwers. Like you say, a little more believeable, and the flash and bang are no doubt to the directors' liking.

Ruy Horta, I hadn't noticed the American bias in BSG (being American, it's like not noticing an American accent, I guess.) I guess they wanted to inject some realism to the Viper ops, and went with the only ready souce available, instead of having to invent terminology and procedure from scratch. The only other fixed wing carrier operators these days are the Russians, Brazilians and the French IIRC, and I don't see translations of those languages working as well in the English market. IIRC the French and Brazilian training is heavily cross-pollinated with the USN anyway.

Blottogg
06-01-2006, 03:26 AM
Check here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/qid=1149153...s=dvd&v=glance&n=130 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AJJNFE/qid=1149153886/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-9410496-7256956?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130)

I haven't checked Amazon UK, but if you're on that side of the pond, they should have it too.

P.S. BaLrOgRoCk, don't be messin' with the Doctor. I like Chris Eccleston at least as much as the revered Tom Baker. Too bad he's not coming back for season 2. I don't know about Billie Piper outside of the series, though I gather she's the pop music flavor of the week in Britain. I think she does well in the series though, and plays a good counterpart for the Doctor.

SeaFireLIV
06-01-2006, 04:34 AM
It`s not a bad series, but I missed the start episodes which puts me on a bad leg. It was only after a m8 of mine went on about it that I gave it a look.

Things I like about it.

1. Realistic camera views in space. Sounds are also muted in space (although technically there should be no sound, but we all understand why).

2. It does have a nice gritty feel which is always a http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif for any show, even if I might not like it much. Cylons are truly deadly - the robot ones, that is.

3. Interesting, if confusing storyline.

4. I like the Galactica Carrier with the Commander (good chap), having to use a 20th century phone to call anyone. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don`t like.

1. The strange fighter aircraft physics. I know they don`t suffer from normal aerodynamic problems in space, but I can`t get round how the ships just `twizzle` on the spot sometimes... weird.

2. 20th century fashion? Exactly the same weapons as our 21st century earth? I know they`re supposed to be our cousins, but they`re like a zillion light years away. All that super spaceship technology, yet they still wear a suit and neck tie?

3. Er...

4. Hate the invisible ceylon woman who`s taking this scientist chap around her little finger and the pregnant ceylon who`s also got that pilot marine so screwed up he`d rather kill his own m8s and the General than see common sense.

I reckon the ceylons have this plan to make copies of women to manipulate men cos it`s easy to do. Has any seen a ceylon man try to seduce a normal woman yet?



Most of all I`m waiting to see what happens when they finally reach their Saviour Earth and discover that it`s technology is ****!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Blottogg:

P.S. BaLrOgRoCk, don't be messin' with the Doctor. I like Chris Eccleston at least as much as the revered Tom Baker. Too bad he's not coming back for season 2. I don't know about Billie Piper outside of the series, though I gather she's the pop music flavor of the week in Britain. I think she does well in the series though, and plays a good counterpart for the Doctor.

LMAO duely noted and you are proof again it seems as to why all 'Doctor' fans should be aproached with the utmost of caution and a loaded and ready fire arm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Billie Piper is a girl from my home town and was born and raised a good 100 miles from the sound of bow bells and is about as cockney as I am. I just find it a bit annoying is all.

I too quite liked the first series and was prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt.

But to be honest this second series seems to be more about getting billie's acting career of the ground?

Both of the gents who have currently played the Doc are true 'thespians' of the 'luvey' persuasion and do a great job, and yet madame piper despite her co-actors influence still manages to display all the acting talent of a plank of wood.

The last few episodes have basicaly felt like 'East Enders' meet the jetsons.

As far as brit sci-fi goes it has been entertaining but its time for the doctors assistant to take a back seat again and do just that 'assist'.

P.s Seafire thats just too cruel but yes one does wonder exactley how they are going to feel when they get to this island earth and discover that micro soft have beaten the cylons to it.

Also I have to agree that the scenes cutting back to their origional home world are damaging to to the credability of the 'other worldliness' of the show and seeing them drive around in 20th century vehicles did require a little suspension of belief.

As to the lack of Euro's well as I said you would have to be nuts to try and launch a new tv show in the states and not play to your audience .

Still now it seems to have some chance of running to a few more series now, and seems to have a following outside of the US I dare say there will be room for a little more cultural diversity and inflation of budget?

If you have never seen the series I strongly recomend that you do what I did where possible and watch them all in sequence over a couple of weeks and not wait for the weekly 'drip feed' you get from some tv stations its what made it so enjoyable.

Unknown_Target
06-01-2006, 05:17 AM
I love the show, I don't see why people are complaining that the people have American accents. I mean, it is an American show...you don't see British or German or French shows going out and actively trying to get as many people as possible from different countries. It's fine as is IMO.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 05:25 AM
Were not complaining about the accents just pointing out a few minor criticisms.

Remember the background of BSG is that twelve 'worlds' were destroyed by the cylons and that an entire planetary system be populated by people that all have the same basic accent is a little incredible.

Room for expansion and diversity is all that is intended by most of the comments and I do feel that that will come in time.

I to am happy with the show so far.

Lets not turn this into yet another silly bloody flame war.

SeaFireLIV
06-01-2006, 06:38 AM
Maybe I should do a quick edit. I`m not in the mood to be misunderstood today or spoil the atmos. although Balrog understands... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Maybe I should do a quick edit. I`m not in the mood to be misunderstood today or spoil the atmos. although Balrog understands... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

LOL yup.....Ugly and Misunderstood to quote C3-P0

'Its our lot in life'

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 07:27 AM
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,39499.0.html

Is this where you should get the scp from ?

Bewolf
06-01-2006, 07:32 AM
Yeah, that americanisation is a bit odd. The same happend with the new Star Wars movies. Seems lately the Universe gets americanized. It's a bit odd, but then again understandable, considering those are US productions.

Still, I liked the old way of doing Sci Fi flicks with their more alien cultures more interesting, really. But that certainly is personal taste.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 08:09 AM
To get back on topic for five sodding seconds more info on the freespace mod here

Here (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36)


mod home here (http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/)

Bewolf
06-01-2006, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
LMAO you people will just not keep the flaming torch away from the dynamite shed will you !

FFs it was written on the american continent there is feck all odd about it! They have to consider that the series will fall flat on its arse in the first few weeks so to spend money on the global village version when the world may say 'this sucks is pointless'

If any other country could stump up the bucks to write a half way decent bloody sci-fi series I am sure it would be different.

what your doing here is like complaining that Belgian chocolate comes from Belgium

Hell for that matter you might as well complaine that there are not enough Brits in DAS BOOT or why cant akira kurasowa write his anime in english

GET a perspective here will you PLEASE

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Bewolf I am gona pee in your beer if you don't lighten up.

Quit stirring the pot

Hmm, I wonder, what about "It's a bit odd, but then again understandable, considering those are US productions." was too hard to understand?

besides, considering the old Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica movies worked pretty much as well, didn't they?

That not as a statement in the line "americanized is ****", but just to counter your argument that every movie or series produced in the US must picture an americanzed society to be successful there.
I completly understand the reasoning behind that line of thinking, I just stated that I liked the old apporach better. Nothing bad or flame worthy with that, as long people do not want to understand it this way.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 08:17 AM
Lol OK I admit I re-read your post and yes I did over re-act

Sorry

But if I can make the misinterpritation then so will others agreed?

I will edit my rant

Bewolf
06-01-2006, 08:29 AM
Deal.

And I guess this forum ist just too falme prone and misinterpretations occur on a common and often intentional basis. I just can't get used to that, it seems.

But yes, back on topic. SPOILER ALERT!

Does anybody else agree that Pegasus joining the fleet and not vansishing again like in the original series was a great move by the directors? Gave me the chills =)

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 08:29 AM
That not as a statement in the line "americanized is ****", but just to counter your argument that every movie or series produced in the US must picture an americanzed society to be successful there.


Not exactley my point though. What I am saying is that a film produced in any country will have that particular countries own particular cultural idiosyncrasis, as well as standing a better chance on the market if it is targeted at its home audience. Not an argument, just an observation.

Agreed the whole Pegasus episodes were very good, real edge of the seat stuff .

And added a few extra bodies to the 'wagon train' as they were (without giving to much away) in danger of running out of pilots and ships if they kept up the constant fire fights.

Again a very good series I just hope they can live up to every ones expectations in the new series.

Bewolf
06-01-2006, 08:35 AM
In general true, but in some regards overdone.
For example that scene in Star Wars 2 (me thinks?) where Obi Wan talks to that greasy Alien in that american 50ies style restaurant thing..that quite literally blew away my fascination with that universe.

Anyways, apologies to the rest here for departing from topic. Won't go further into details.


Well, I am really looking forward to the third installment. The end of the second hat a great cliffhanger.
What I wonder though is how they want to picture contact with earth. That was the greatest dissapointment with the original series. Really hard to do, I can imagine.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 08:44 AM
Hmm if there is one thing I think we and every one else in this particular forum that considers them selves a fan

(given 'most of us' were kids when the first star wars trilogy came out)

CAN agree on is that the new star wars series was just plain and simple CRAPOLA!!

All it lacked was billy piper to make it total and utter garbage.

And I say that as a total fan of the first three films.

George Lucas should have had his arse kicked up round his earholes for what he did to that saga.

Actually I think Billie piper might have improved things

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by Bewolf:
What I wonder though is how they want to picture contact with earth. That was the greatest dissapointment with the original series. Really hard to do, I can imagine.

To be honest I think a lot of people were disapointed with the whole earth meets galactica fiasco in the old series.

A large portion of the first series more or less implied that the whole galactica event took place waaaay back before earths current technical level.

I for one was kind of expecting it to have them arrive post 12th tribe arival but 'perhaps' pre ancient egypt perhaps ealier.

If it was me I would use the classic 'extinction ' of the dinosaurs period as a good tie in

12th tribe arive in earths solar system but ship so badly crippled it is forced to ditch in the atlantic. Surviours are left to survive in primative circumstances with limited technology until galactica arives on the scene.

That to me would at least avoid us having the kind of bizzare story line that the old series had.

Bo_Nidle
06-01-2006, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:

Things I like about it.

4. I like the Galactica Carrier with the Commander (good chap), having to use a 20th century phone to call anyone.


I reckon the ceylons have this plan to make copies of women to manipulate men cos it`s easy to do. Has any seen a ceylon man try to seduce a normal woman yet?



I'm sure that men from Ceylon can seduce with the best of 'em, by the way its been called Sri Lanka for some years now m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif As for CYLON men seducing human women to manipulate them? Its a well known law of nature that women cannot be seduced or manipulated by any male, be they human or Cylon. If it appears that they are being seduced its because they want you to think that and thus are still the ones doing the manipulating!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

As for the oddly out of date technology being used there is a reason for it that you would have missed if you didn't see the first episodes: When the Cylons attacked they were able to hack into the latest Colonial technology and cause the defence systems to shut down, including the latest versions of the Viper fighters. Commander Adama refused to have a networked computer system aboard Galactica from previous experience fighting the Cylons and knew that they could not hack the older technology thus they use the antiquated systems for security.

The fighters can spin around due the use of manouvering thrusters and the lack of external aerodynamic/gravitational forces.I would imagine the best analogy for this would be the Apollo command module seperating after launch then doing a 180 degree change of attitude and docking with the LEM while still maintaining its original velocity and direction...and the fact that its a TV show.

Bewolf
06-01-2006, 09:01 AM
Agreed, the whole new Star Wars stuff sucked big time. It was all made into some kinda of colorful family movie.

But about Galactica meets earth, generally agreed to your views. I mean, Galactica meeting modern society "does" have potential. It is not that I expected anything back then, really. I just watched it the way it proceeded. But the way it was executed really left a lot to complain about.

Still, Galactica coming here way earlier, and egypt is a good point, would have made a lot more sense, especially in explaining greek mythology. Extinction of the dinosaurs though is way too early. 60 millions years of human presence on this planet would have left quite a bit of hints, something that does not go very well with modern archeology and paleantology.

horseback
06-01-2006, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by Bewolf:
Yeah, that americanisation is a bit odd. The same happend with the new Star Wars movies. Seems lately the Universe gets americanized. It's a bit odd, but then again understandable, considering those are US productions.

Still, I liked the old way of doing Sci Fi flicks with their more alien cultures more interesting, really. But that certainly is personal taste. In reference to the lack of "other accents", there are two factors at work here:

1. The colonies are supposed to clearly 'mirror' a very mobile mass media society. We Americans have all started to sound alike since the advent of TV and the ability to move about freely in airplanes and cars; regional accents are disappearing rapidly here as a result.

2. With the possible exception of Meryl Streep, has there been an American actor who could 'do' an authentic foreign accent? Rather than risk derision for trying to assign regional or national accents to each colony, I suspect that the producers and writers generally went with the bland Canadian/American accents rather than risk inconsistancy, or God forbid, an actor of Tom Cruise's skills attempting an authentic Kentish or Irish accent...

cheers

horseback

Bewolf
06-01-2006, 09:23 AM
Oh, I do not have a problem with the accents, really. That is totally fine with me. As a german I see the dubbed version most of the times anways.

I was more aiming at very specific american traits. One was mentioned Star Wars restaurants, others are military ranks, setups, doctrines, "Colonial" One as in "Air Force One" and the likes. One the one hand that kinda adds to immersion, at least to the american public, or that is what I assume, but on the other hand it takes away that "other civilisation" feeling.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 09:28 AM
LOL very god point Horse http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Originally posted by Bewolf:
Extinction of the dinosaurs though is way too early. 60 millions years of human presence on this planet would have left quite a bit of hints, something that does not go very well with modern archeology and paleantology.

Hmm yeah I guess that might be a bit too much but then If you have ever read Julian Mays

'Golden Torc' (all four collectively known as the exile saga, and a damn good read)

You might see where I was coming from on that angle. Maybe pre Ice age?

Actualy Bo_nidle's post does make me wonder though

If a culture were to develop a fighter for space would it not be possible to engineer certain aspects of the craft to perform as if it were a conventional aircraft?

I mean in order to take the algebra out of space combat and to enable conventional fighter pilots to perform in space would it not make sense to have the craft behave as though it were flying like an atmospheric vehicle?

I am thinking with the use of thrusters the ship could simulate this performance.

You could of course overide this feature but it would make more complex tasks less demanding on the 'average' pilot.

Am I starting to sound like raaid? Actauly I would have thought this would be right up his street. We have at least two sci-fi threads so far and I dont think he has posted in one yet?

Bewolf
06-01-2006, 09:35 AM
No, unlickily I never even heared of him. Care to elaborate on what he wrote?

But yes, pre ice age would make sense, considering the current human species is about 100.000 years old. Still some evolutionary quirks, but few enough that the average viewer wouldn't get confused too much.

About the spacecraft matter...Why would you want to do that? I think atmospheric flight is mostly a thing you are "used" too. If you make a spacecraft perform like this you take away a lot of advantages it has...for example circling around without loosing direction and/or speed. Sure, it is more complicated this way, but it also adds a lot of possibilities for maneuvers you wouldn't want to miss in a fight.

Ruy Horta
06-01-2006, 09:59 AM
Guys, since I started this let me expand.

My point is not about accents or foreign actors. BSG is an American production, it follows suit that its cast is comprised of english speaking actors, albeit American, Canadian or whatever. It would be silly to discuss the dialects of the 12 colonies in terms of US mass media and interstate travel - besides Baltar seems to speak the Queen's English alright.

Again, the people behind the series cannot be blamed for using the modern day language of its target audience. It is no detractor. Even the great example of Sci Fi series Star Trek seems to have left behind the accents, no more Scots, Russians nor the odd Irishman. However there is still room for an Englishman. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Where BSG fails, where its predecessor did not (or to a far lesser extend), is creating a believable culture that developed apart from our own. No far from it, they have drawn on and in many ways copied the culture that was nearest to it, modern America. Since cultures on our little planet seem to be pretty diverse it needs little logic to understand that a culture developed apart from earth over many millenia, even if based on common roots, would be even more different compared to our own than our intermixed global society of today.

So USN jargon and methods, Colonial One, clothing, Delta Force Spec Ops, The Press and the basic culture to name but a few subjects are basically modeled on modern America.

The only remaining exotic element in BSG is Number Six (who's Canadian btw).

This does not stand in the way of an enjoyable series, but it fails where the original BSG succeeded, that is creating an alien culture RELATED to our own. The producers simply copied modern US culture. I'd have to blame this on a lack of imagination or courage, perhaps even both.

Yes, I agree that the 50-ies style coffee corner in Star Wars 2 (well actually 5) was completely out of the place. Where the cantena in Star Wars (the original) worked by employing diverse elements of cultures and adding a space fronteer feel, the 50-ies style, which is basically Americana, did not fit in at all. Perhaps good fun, but bad Sci Fi.

Since we are humans it is only natural that we transpose our culture(s) through a kind of reverse anthropomorphism (for lack of a better word. This always been the strength of science fiction, to tackle modern day society with a veneer of the futuristic and even fantastic.

SA&B was simply about the USN and USMC in space. It was believable, it was good. Culture simply didn't come into it.

Bottom line however remains that I still like the new BSG.

If we extend this discussion, it might be indicative of a new kind of isolationism though.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 10:01 AM
About the spacecraft matter...Why would you want to do that? I think atmospheric flight is mostly a thing you are "used" too. If you make a spacecraft perform like this you take away a lot of advantages it has...for example circling around without loosing direction and/or speed. Sure, it is more complicated this way, but it also adds a lot of possibilities for maneuvers you wouldn't want to miss in a fight

Agreed I just thought it would be easier to make a ship a pilot could fly rather than a ship that required an astronaught.

Also I would if given the choice enable the facility to disable 'aerodynamics'.

It was inspired when some one mentioned earlier that the ships in the series did not seem to fly according to newtonian physics.

We do after all have more pilots than astronaughts. Although I am aware that pilots generaly are used for space programs.

As for Julian May

Well the short version of her story is that a time hole is discoverd in in our distant future that enables man to take a one way trip to the pliocean epoch.

This although interesting is obviously deemed to be of little use to the modern world other than as an historical novelty.

However certain shall we say 'misfits' that are unable to fit in with the modern world start to use it as an escape to a simpler lifestyle in a period of time where they can do little harm unencumbard by the restraints of modern civilisation.

Soon a kind of unoficial re-location program for mal contents arises.

This is where the story starts and with out spoiling the book things on the other side of the door turn out to be not entirely as they seem.

It is a lot more complex than that but that is the general prologue.

If you like science fiction but also a bit of good old hack and slay with some jedi mind tricks thrown in then this series of books could be for you.

In fact I think I am gona give up on this forum for a while and re-read them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bewolf
06-01-2006, 10:05 AM
Sounds interesting enough, I will keep an eye open on those books =)

Oh and Ruy Horta pretty much expressed what I was thinking, too. Spot on.

Von_Rat
06-01-2006, 11:37 AM
as far as the twelve worlds culture being like modern u.s culture.

watching the 1st few episodes i got the feeling that the storyline was a "cautonary tale". the whole man playing god thing, frankenstiens monster returning to destroy its maker. thus the making of their world resembling modern america made sense. it would increase the identification of the aduiance, {mainly american} with the galactica worlds, and thus increase the power of the cautionary tale.

genetic engineering was a big issue in u.s about the time it was made. making the cylons look human also increase its effectivness. if i remember correctly, orginally the new series was going to leave out all referances to mechanical cylons. at last minute they added them.

Capt.England
06-01-2006, 12:24 PM
Still can't beat series 1 to 5 of B5.

Funny thing is that at the moment I am watching the 1978 series. I have just got two more shows to watch. Back in the day, I went to see the movie. I just wish that the PS2 game would get converted to the P.C.

Luckly, I do have Freespace 2. Best Space Game out there at the moment. (whats happening with Elite 3?)

Capt.England
06-01-2006, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by horseback:

2. With the possible exception of Meryl Streep, has there been an American actor who could 'do' an authentic foreign accent? Rather than risk derision for trying to assign regional or national accents to each colony, I suspect that the producers and writers generally went with the bland Canadian/American accents rather than risk inconsistancy, or God forbid, an actor of Tom Cruise's skills attempting an authentic Kentish or Irish accent...

cheers

horseback

Johnny Depp is very good with accents so that makes at least 2 actors, IMHO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I wonder what the world thinks of the accents in Doctor Who? Pip Pip old chap! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-01-2006, 01:30 PM
Do you mean this?

frontier (http://www.egosoft.com/games/index_en.php)

Bo_Nidle
06-01-2006, 05:39 PM
I have to admit I did not know that Jamie Bamber (Lee Adama "Apollo")was a British actor-his accent totally fooled me. Since then I realised he was in two episodes of Band of Brothers ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif ) as an American as well.He played Lt Jack Foley in the episodes "Breaking Point" (He's the one shouting at "Foxhole Norman" for orders when the unfotunate Norman finally went to pieces)and the "Last Patrol".

I don't know how his American accent stands up to scrutiny by American's on here but it certainly fooled me. On the other hand if its anything like an American attempting to do a British accent it probably sounds bloody awful (Exhibit A: Anthony La Paglia as Daphne's brother in "Frasier" ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif ) terrible,just terrible accent, still funny but...oh just awful!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif I think he was brought up in the same part of London as **** Van **** (LOL! site censored his name,sorry then Mr Richard van ****)in "Mary Poppins" which is particularly weird as Daphne's family hail from Manchester!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

Von_Rat
06-01-2006, 05:56 PM
the guy who played higgins on magnum pi had a convincing brit accent from what i read.

especially since he was from texas.

WTE_Galway
06-01-2006, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by Capt.England:
[Johnny Depp is very good with accents so that makes at least 2 actors, IMHO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Johnny Depp playing Michael Hutchins from INXS is gunna be interesting though.

WWSensei
06-01-2006, 06:17 PM
Complaining that BSG has "American" accents makes as much sense as complaining the Dr Who or Red Dwarf had British accents.

Well that, and apparently ancient Rome and Egypt also spoke with British accents.

;-)

Blottogg
06-02-2006, 01:34 AM
And Russian submarine captains speak with accents suspiciously close to those found in Scotland.

Bo_Nidle, as an American born in the midwest, Jamie Bamber's accent is spot-on. I agree with your observation that most Americans (actors and otherwise, myself included) don't have much of an ear for accents. Blame it on lack of both exposure and immersion. As a worst-case scenario I offer Clint Eastwood's "Russian" accent in Firefox. Points for trying, but perhaps it makes Sean Connery's choice in Red October a little more respectable. Although Mike Meyers does a respectible (if intentionally over the top) Scottish accent ("we got three sizes; wee, not so wee, and friggin' HUGE.") I believe he's Canadian though, so perhaps that explains it.

As for the suggestion that the Vipers fly in space the way they do to emulate atmospheric aircraft, that may be a consession made to keep the audience from hurling during the space combat scenes. Independence War had basic Newtonian physics, with the option to enable the thrusters to emulate more conventional atmospheric performance. I think the game made that consession for the same reason, to accomodate the audience's past experience and reduce frustration and lessen the learning curve. Younger kids would accomodate disconnected 6 DoF motion a lot better than us older heads with a lot of experience to un-learn, and presumably the Colonial Space Force would have incorporated that kind of thing in their pilot training. I think the series does well for the most part, with the pitch, roll and yaw rotations accompanied by the appropriate RCS puffs, though there's an obvious disconnect with reality in order to make the dogfights look like something recognizable. Real space combat would probably resemble submarine warfare (at great distances) more than WWII dogfighting, but it wouldn't make for very exciting television. Chasing an opponent down in any kind of a forward pointing circle fight makes no sense in the vacuum of space (where with a slug-thrower, you'd just rotate about a point and shoot), but it looks like X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, not to mention all that WWII dogfight footage on the History channel.

Unknown_Target
06-02-2006, 09:04 AM
Just so everybody knows, the BSG mod is going to be making a multiplayer demo release mid this month.

SeaFireLIV
06-02-2006, 09:51 AM
Slight off topic, but since we`re talking accents is anyone else as annoyed as I was to see that Colossus really does talk American now when every X-Men fan knows that Wolverine`s throwing buddy was always a Russian (with a Russian accent).

I guess most kids won`t notice, but it annoys me, as Colossus sorted rounded out the cosmopolitan feel to X-Men. It`s just sad to see, now Colossus is just another `samey` person without character.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-02-2006, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Unknown_Target:
Just so everybody knows, the BSG mod is going to be making a multiplayer demo release mid this month.

Kewl I have my freespace2 on the way, I thought they were aiming for july?

Well done to the team for beating the deadline http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Havent seen X-men yet but plan to. Never realy followed the comics so I guess I won't notice. Still I feel for the fans I know how dissapointing it can be when a film mucks around with plotline. Arwen in lotr got right on my tits I can tell yah.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
06-03-2006, 04:47 AM
Looks like some one is working on a HomeWorld2 modification also

Look here (http://www.makecollegemoney.com/bsgmod/index.php)