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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-03-2006, 12:04 AM
Funniest dam thing I ever saw vengence is sweet

Bambi gets some (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6020264244416084639&hl=en)

And his mate keeps the whole thing in focus too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

leitmotiv
10-03-2006, 12:16 AM
Special Forces deer back from Iraq.

HotelBushranger
10-03-2006, 12:25 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif That's hilarious! Serves the bastard right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEBillfish
10-03-2006, 12:25 AM
yea, have seen that before and is WAY out of the norm......The guy had poured "Elk in Heat" on himself (is supposed to be elk urine from a cow in estrous just like Doe in Heat for deer, yet is most often cow)......

Anywho, the deer found him all worked up and was pi**ed!....Guess it would kinda be like one of you hiring some private time by a skilled worker to find out it was a guy during.

The real freaky part is his wife kept filming, her commentary during the sound version showing her for the genius she is.......

p.s....Deer season here started Sunday! Wish me luck http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

leitmotiv
10-03-2006, 03:19 AM
Ah, that explains it---no wonder the silly idiot got hoofed.

russ.nl
10-03-2006, 03:55 AM
Hahaha good for him. Stupid hunters that kill for personal plesiur.

BSS_Goat
10-03-2006, 06:11 AM
I guess ya'll are all vegetarians? That's right, let someone do the killing for you and look down from your lofty perch......

BTW funny video http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

smokincrater
10-03-2006, 06:22 AM
Well, we kill farm animals breed for the stew not wildlife.

BSS_Goat
10-03-2006, 06:25 AM
and the difference is......

SeaFireLIV
10-03-2006, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
I guess ya'll are all vegetarians? That's right, let someone do the killing for you and look down from your lofty perch......

BTW funny video http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Good point, BSS_Goat.

We people can be hypocrites at the best of times.

x6BL_Brando
10-03-2006, 07:15 AM
I guess ya'll are all vegetarians? That's right, let someone do the killing for you and look down from your lofty perch......

The difference is that vegetarians don't eat meat and do have a platform from which to criticise people who kill wild animals for 'sport'. Or sexual remedies, or furs, or just for entertainment & status - whenever they don't NEED to do it for pure survival.

I've been a veggie for thirty years and I don't regret it. I was eating lentils (j/k) by the time that mad-cow disease hit the UK - (and I personally know one family who lost someone from the human form of the disease, CJD) - so I was glad of my 'quirky' decision.

The difference between hunting and the slaughtering of farm animals is a legal one in the UK. Strict regulations on slaughtering and butchery exist to prevent sick animals entering the food chain - and it is harder to enforce these rules on hunters who generally gralloch their kill on-site. On a crowded island we take food hygiene very seriously and for good reason.

Personally I have no beef http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif with hunters in the wild countries. After all, we are all descended from the hunter-gatherers of the African rift valley, so I guess it comes naturally. But when it becomes a social tradition for people who already have access to food - and a posing-ground for people who spend the rest of the year in an office, then no, I can't see the need.
But it's your call.

And why 'veggie'ism is seen as a lofty perch escapes me. A lot of it involves hours on one's knees, planting out, weeding, harvesting and all that. I don't see it as a philosophical high-ground - just an extension of the way I choose to live. My business in the same way that hunting is other peoples'.

Have a good 'season' - and I hope the accidental shooting rate stays way low.

B.

BSS_Goat
10-03-2006, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:

And why 'veggie'ism is seen as a lofty perch escapes me. A lot of it involves hours on one's knees, planting out, weeding, harvesting and all that. I don't see it as a philosophical high-ground - just an extension of the way I choose to live. My business in the same way that hunting is other peoples'.

Have a good 'season' - and I hope the accidental shooting rate stays way low.

B.

I don't see being a vegetarian as a "lofty perch". You being a vegetarian, at least have a leg to stand on in the argument against hunting. The people who eat meat, use leather or any animal products, that someone else kills for them, can not say anything without being a hypocrite.

That, fine sir, was my point.

HotelBushranger
10-03-2006, 07:40 AM
That's right, let someone do the killing for you and look down from your lofty perch.....

Trust me, I have no quarrels with killing, or letting someone else doing the killing for me, for food. However, what is this guy killing for? To mean a head in his living room and act all hard core? I would only kill wildlife if it was absolutely necessary.

Besides rabbits. I friggin hate rabbits. The bastards... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Airmail109
10-03-2006, 07:42 AM
Also any animal rights nutso who goes to the hospital is a hypocrite.

LEBillfish
10-03-2006, 08:05 AM
You'd have to hunt to understand....and if you ever worked on a farm you'd realize that livestock is not less then wildlife.

Frankly, unless you have hunted & work with livestock to any degree, you're in no position to comment past "uneducated opinion" either way. You also before condemning better be sure of what animal products are in, you'll be hard pressed to find much that they aren't including that bone meal for your plants http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

han freak solo
10-03-2006, 08:10 AM
I still like that video! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hmmm. A turkey sandwich is gonna be my lunch. Maybe a bacon wrapped steak for dinner.

Ooooh huntin' season is coming! (Drools over the thought of deer sausage and deer chili.)

Meat good.

rcocean
10-03-2006, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I guess ya'll are all vegetarians? That's right, let someone do the killing for you and look down from your lofty perch......

The difference is that vegetarians don't eat meat and do have a platform from which to criticise people who kill wild animals for 'sport'. Or sexual remedies, or furs, or just for entertainment & status - whenever they don't NEED to do it for pure survival.

I've been a veggie for thirty years and I don't regret it. I was eating lentils (j/k) by the time that mad-cow disease hit the UK - (and I personally know one family who lost someone from the human form of the disease, CJD) - so I was glad of my 'quirky' decision.

The difference between hunting and the slaughtering of farm animals is a legal one in the UK. Strict regulations on slaughtering and butchery exist to prevent sick animals entering the food chain - and it is harder to enforce these rules on hunters who generally gralloch their kill on-site. On a crowded island we take food hygiene very seriously and for good reason.

Personally I have no beef http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif with hunters in the wild countries. After all, we are all descended from the hunter-gatherers of the African rift valley, so I guess it comes naturally. But when it becomes a social tradition for people who already have access to food - and a posing-ground for people who spend the rest of the year in an office, then no, I can't see the need.
But it's your call.

And why 'veggie'ism is seen as a lofty perch escapes me. A lot of it involves hours on one's knees, planting out, weeding, harvesting and all that. I don't see it as a philosophical high-ground - just an extension of the way I choose to live. My business in the same way that hunting is other peoples'.

Have a good 'season' - and I hope the accidental shooting rate stays way low.

B. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if we were all veggies, we would need to hunt Bambi. Deer, if left, unchecked destroy crops, cause traffic accidents, and spread disease. If not hunterd, they overbreed and thousands die during the winter of starvation.

269GA-Veltro
10-03-2006, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
I guess ya'll are all vegetarians? That's right, let someone do the killing for you and look down from your lofty perch......

BTW funny video http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Good point, BSS_Goat.

We people can be hypocrites at the best of times. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When hunters kill for fun, they are simple idiots. I would like see more of those movies.
A lot of hunters don't respect the animals, neither hawks, eagles ecc......they simple enjoy to kill.

A lot of them kill also these little birds...nice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://static.triesteincontra.it/mp/tsicdawwf/pettirosso.jpg

http://fausernet.novara.it/~iccarpi/bosco/blu.jpg

...fu.k them.

Friendly_flyer
10-03-2006, 08:29 AM
I do a bit of hunting, and I think the video is great! Besides, it reminds us humans not to take our place at the supreme top of the food chain for granted.

SeaFireLIV
10-03-2006, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:



A lot of them kill also these little birds...nice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://static.triesteincontra.it/mp/tsicdawwf/pettirosso.jpg

http://fausernet.novara.it/~iccarpi/bosco/blu.jpg

...fu.k them.

Ahh, my most favourite prey.

Not much meat on them though.

slappedsilly
10-03-2006, 09:41 AM
LOL! That guy must be the worst shot in the world, how close do you have to get to hit a deer with a bow? Looks like the deer has an idea of what the bow is for too. If the hunter servived that I hope he shot the camera man for all the help given!

Chuck_Older
10-03-2006, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
Funniest dam thing I ever saw vengence is sweet

Bambi gets some (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6020264244416084639&hl=en)

And his mate keeps the whole thing in focus too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Best Neil voice:

"Bambi, did you make a Disney nasty?"

ploughman
10-03-2006, 09:55 AM
That's pretty amusing. It doesn't suprise me he was being a weiner, after all you'd have to have made several errors of judgement to get yourself in to a position where a deer was giving you good hiding.

SeaFireLIV
10-03-2006, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
LOL! That guy must be the worst shot in the world, how close do you have to get to hit a deer with a bow? Looks like the deer has an idea of what the bow is for too. If the hunter servived that I hope he shot the camera man for all the help given!

Agreed. the guy`s obviously getting hurt, but apparently it`s ok to let him get kicked half to death and not bother helping him. I don`t care if it was a bunny rabbit attacking he should`ve been helped, just showing up and shouting would`ve been enough to chase the deer off.

He`s a Human being and Human Beings support one another, otherwise we wouldn`t be on top of the food chain in the first place.

Airmail109
10-03-2006, 09:57 AM
Only thing i hunt is pidgeons...disease infested....dirty flying rats that eat everything. Their populations have plummeted round here since i bought a 10 shot Air Arms S410 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

ploughman
10-03-2006, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slappedsilly:
LOL! That guy must be the worst shot in the world, how close do you have to get to hit a deer with a bow? Looks like the deer has an idea of what the bow is for too. If the hunter servived that I hope he shot the camera man for all the help given!

Agreed. the guy`s obviously getting hurt, but apparently it`s ok to let him get kicked half to death and not bother helping him. I don`t care if it was a bunny rabbit attacking he should`ve been helped, just showing up and shouting would`ve been enough to chase the deer off.

He`s a Human being and Human Beings support one another, otherwise we wouldn`t be on top of the food chain in the first place. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A bunny rabbit?

berg417448
10-03-2006, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slappedsilly:
LOL! That guy must be the worst shot in the world, how close do you have to get to hit a deer with a bow? Looks like the deer has an idea of what the bow is for too. If the hunter servived that I hope he shot the camera man for all the help given!

Agreed. the guy`s obviously getting hurt, but apparently it`s ok to let him get kicked half to death and not bother helping him. I don`t care if it was a bunny rabbit attacking he should`ve been helped, just showing up and shouting would`ve been enough to chase the deer off.

He`s a Human being and Human Beings support one another, otherwise we wouldn`t be on top of the food chain in the first place. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A bunny rabbit? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Monty Python's Killer Rabbit perhaps! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SeaFireLIV
10-03-2006, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:


A bunny rabbit?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/ducks.jpg

Yea, a Bunny Wabbit. Dammit!

BaronUnderpants
10-03-2006, 10:10 AM
Top of the food chain...and the only "animal" that need a wepon to hunt or they get the snot kicked out of them, even by Bambi. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
10-03-2006, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Top of the food chain...and the only "animal" that need a wepon to hunt or they get the snot kicked out of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don't need a weapon to hunt kill and eat you

T_O_A_D
10-03-2006, 10:19 AM
LEBillfish has it right.

IIRC he was even asking his wife," Are you getting this? Keep the camera rolling!!!

A total JA in my book.

PBNA-Boosher
10-03-2006, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by rcocean:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I guess ya'll are all vegetarians? That's right, let someone do the killing for you and look down from your lofty perch......

The difference is that vegetarians don't eat meat and do have a platform from which to criticise people who kill wild animals for 'sport'. Or sexual remedies, or furs, or just for entertainment & status - whenever they don't NEED to do it for pure survival.

I've been a veggie for thirty years and I don't regret it. I was eating lentils (j/k) by the time that mad-cow disease hit the UK - (and I personally know one family who lost someone from the human form of the disease, CJD) - so I was glad of my 'quirky' decision.

The difference between hunting and the slaughtering of farm animals is a legal one in the UK. Strict regulations on slaughtering and butchery exist to prevent sick animals entering the food chain - and it is harder to enforce these rules on hunters who generally gralloch their kill on-site. On a crowded island we take food hygiene very seriously and for good reason.

Personally I have no beef http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif with hunters in the wild countries. After all, we are all descended from the hunter-gatherers of the African rift valley, so I guess it comes naturally. But when it becomes a social tradition for people who already have access to food - and a posing-ground for people who spend the rest of the year in an office, then no, I can't see the need.
But it's your call.

And why 'veggie'ism is seen as a lofty perch escapes me. A lot of it involves hours on one's knees, planting out, weeding, harvesting and all that. I don't see it as a philosophical high-ground - just an extension of the way I choose to live. My business in the same way that hunting is other peoples'.

Have a good 'season' - and I hope the accidental shooting rate stays way low.

B. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if we were all veggies, we would need to hunt Bambi. Deer, if left, unchecked destroy crops, cause traffic accidents, and spread disease. If not hunterd, they overbreed and thousands die during the winter of starvation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

THEY overbreed? THEY overbreed? There are six billion of us and you say THEY overbreed?

BaronUnderpants
10-03-2006, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Top of the food chain...and the only "animal" that need a wepon to hunt or they get the snot kicked out of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don't need a weapon to hunt kill and eat you </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but u would need 4 of your friends. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

LEBillfish
10-03-2006, 11:26 AM
Well, if anyone has an aversion to hunting animals, remember, you do have options.....
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Clarice.....
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Might I suggest a fine Chianti to wash it down?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/mgm/silence_of_the_lambs/anthony_hopkins/silence.jpg

ploughman
10-03-2006, 11:37 AM
...If not hunterd, they overbreed and thousands die during the winter of starvation.

I like this bit. If we didn't kill them, they'd die.

LEBillfish
10-03-2006, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...If not hunterd, they overbreed and thousands die during the winter of starvation.

I like this bit. If we didn't kill them, they'd die. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, that's a bit of an over simplification and understandable lack of realization about the situation......

The predators that helped keep their numbers balanced were prevalent. In kind, food was not as plentiful as in nutritional value based foods. (deer will actually eat wood bark in the winter when starving).... So with the eradication of predators, and the improved foods of farming plus controlled seasons, you have what is essentially a population explosion over populating per sq.mile.

Ok, so you say so what, they'll die off and rebalance the population to reasonable numbers. Well that's not the case, as disease will often be the primary killer.....So if out of say 1 million deer 500k would be balanced, what you'll find is the numbers may drop to 50k often also costing the finer gene stock.

So like it or not now it is a catch 22 now made by man, and once again there is no difference from a moral standpoint of wild game and livestock......If you think there is, you just compromised your own argument.

Airmail109
10-03-2006, 11:58 AM
Going by this logic we should just nuke places like ethepia...as theyre all going to starve to death....

Im just playing devils advocate!

BillyTheKid_22
10-03-2006, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
Funniest dam thing I ever saw vengence is sweet

Bambi gets some (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6020264244416084639&hl=en)

And his mate keeps the whole thing in focus too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Big deer is smart ***!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ploughman
10-03-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...If not hunterd, they overbreed and thousands die during the winter of starvation.

I like this bit. If we didn't kill them, they'd die. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, that's a bit of an over simplification and understandable lack of realization about the situation......

The predators that helped keep their numbers balanced were prevalent. In kind, food was not as plentiful as in nutritional value based foods. (deer will actually eat wood bark in the winter when starving).... So with the eradication of predators, and the improved foods of farming plus controlled seasons, you have what is essentially a population explosion over populating per sq.mile.

Ok, so you say so what, they'll die off and rebalance the population to reasonable numbers. Well that's not the case, as disease will often be the primary killer.....So if out of say 1 million deer 500k would be balanced, what you'll find is the numbers may drop to 50k often also costing the finer gene stock.

So like it or not now it is a catch 22 now made by man, and once again there is no difference from a moral standpoint of wild game and livestock......If you think there is, you just compromised your own argument. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, whatever. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Comprimised what arguement was that?

Can't a bloke make a flippant remark on this forum without some know it all waffling on about gene pools and managing 'wild' populations? I understand that many animals have to be culled for perfectly valid reasons but you have to admit the hole we've gotten ourselves in with many of our ecosystems makes for some ruthless management.

Anyway, that initial remark reminded me of that famous quote from Vietnam. I can't remember the exact name of the place (not that famous, eh?) but it went along the lines of "We had to destroy Pue Kit in order to save it."

Low_Flyer_MkVb
10-03-2006, 12:25 PM
The sooner we all realise that we're basically mutated monkeys with a superiority complex, the better we're all going to get along with Bambi and his pals. I'm off to hug a tree now, good night all.

SeaFireLIV
10-03-2006, 12:34 PM
I wonder if nature defeated itself when it gave us brains?

I mean, if all this evolution stuff is true then nature made every animal to adapt to its surroundings so that it`ll fight to survive, procreate and therefore ensure its continued existence. This all went fine, until nature thought that instead of killing everything with bare hands, copulating and sleeping that maybe it`ll give us an advanced brain that`d make us rule the world!

Well, we rule the world now, but will we killed Nature (and ourselves) in the process?

Perhaps we shouldn`t have developed advanced brains after all.

ploughman
10-03-2006, 12:50 PM
There's the Gaia hypothesis which see's the whole biosphere as a sort of meta-entity. Perhaps we, with our very big brains, are part of the meta-entity's reproductive cycle, man leave's Rift Valley, build big space-ship, spreads life to new worlds. Exhausted Earth spends a little while getting over the experience.

BSS_Goat
10-03-2006, 01:18 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
all went fine, until nature thought that instead of killing everything with bare hands, copulating and sleeping... [QUOTE]\

Now that sounds like Fun!!
Throw in drinking bourbon and I'm all for it!

BoCfuss
10-03-2006, 11:05 PM
Hehe, funny, what a moron. I would have just uncaged my 45 and shot the damn thing. After all this disscusion I still fail to see the difference in killing deer for pleasure, and food, and sitting down to eat a nice rib-eye. Maybe you all should eat dog food so you don't enjoy it, otherwise I see no difference.

Saburo_0
10-03-2006, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
You'd have to hunt to understand....and if you ever worked on a farm you'd realize that livestock is not less then wildlife.

Frankly, unless you have hunted & work with livestock to any degree, you're in no position to comment past "uneducated opinion" either way. You also before condemning better be sure of what animal products are in, you'll be hard pressed to find much that they aren't including that bone meal for your plants http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Well I hate your reasoning. Unless you hunt-which presupposes that you like it-then you have no right to have or voice your opinion. Because it bothers me that you criticise something I enjoy...Isnt that what you just said?
Studd a sock in it, everyone has a right to their opinion and to say it. Dont bully them if they disagree with you just ignore it and move on.
And BTW I spent a fair amount of time working on my Grammpa's farm and have seen where beef comes from etc. Also seen alot of "hunters" that were ignorant and disrespectful to nature or just plain useless people. Plenty of hypocrites on all sides I'd say.

woofiedog
10-04-2006, 01:12 AM
han freak solo... Quote... Maybe a bacon wrapped steak for dinner.

UHmmm... Bambi Steak's wrapped up with bacon! Very Nice indeed! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://www.niaf.org.uk/Images/bambi_000.jpg

Bambi Meets Godzilla Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCUBVS4kfQ

leitmotiv
10-04-2006, 01:54 AM
I was nearly turned to tomato soup by a Brahma bull stampede in Colorado---after that all bets are off between me and the animal world. Oh yeah, almost forgot, stepped off the Pacific Coast Hwy one night to see to nature, was ready to let fly, and looked down at a mountain lion right in front of me. As a man, I was caught in a compromised postion to the limit. Fortunately the cat seemed as surprised as I, and allowed me to gingerly retreat slowly backward. Got in the car and informed my girlfriend I came within a millimeter of being catastrophically unmanned, and she cheerfully informed me such human-cat bonding was customary along this stretch of the road. Agghhhhh.

ploughman
10-04-2006, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by BoCfuss:
Hehe, funny, what a moron. I would have just uncaged my 45 and shot the damn thing. After all this disscusion I still fail to see the difference in killing deer for pleasure, and food, and sitting down to eat a nice rib-eye. Maybe you all should eat dog food so you don't enjoy it, otherwise I see no difference.

I'm with you on this one. There's a school of thought about hunting that goes "well it might be necessary but we don't think you should enjoy it or turn it into a sport." But as you say, no enjoying your steak then.

Grue_
10-04-2006, 04:40 AM
Nature is just a huge restaurant.

burp

I couldn't kill an animal for pleasure but I wouldn't hesitate if I was hungry.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-04-2006, 05:28 AM
Well I guess I should have forseen the meat eater / vege debate around the corner on this one.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I just thought that it was funny how this guy was hunting with a bow ( I percieved hard core option?) and got his *** whooped.

I am all to aware that I am a meat eater that doesn't work to hard for it and if given the choice I would sooner hunt a wild animal than farm one.

At least the wild animal has a small chance to out wit / avoid you and doesn't run up to you all puppy eyed while you blat its brains out with a bolt gun.

This guy and no doubt a few others get cocky and get exactly what they deserve every hunting season and its a good thing.

I you go looking for wild animals don't be suprised if sooner or later you get bit.

Any how I hadn't seen it before and I would bet that guy gets the piss extracted outta himself every season. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

CrazySchmidt
10-04-2006, 05:36 AM
Funny for sure.
Don't these hunters carry hunting knives... why didn't he pull a knife and stab the f@$kin thing to death!! Rolling around like a God damned *****!!! Geeeezze!!

CS, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEBillfish
10-04-2006, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by Saburo_0:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
You'd have to hunt to understand....and if you ever worked on a farm you'd realize that livestock is not less then wildlife.

Frankly, unless you have hunted & work with livestock to any degree, you're in no position to comment past "uneducated opinion" either way. You also before condemning better be sure of what animal products are in, you'll be hard pressed to find much that they aren't including that bone meal for your plants http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Well I hate your reasoning. Unless you hunt-which presupposes that you like it-then you have no right to have or voice your opinion. Because it bothers me that you criticise something I enjoy...Isnt that what you just said?
Studd a sock in it, everyone has a right to their opinion and to say it. Dont bully them if they disagree with you just ignore it and move on.
And BTW I spent a fair amount of time working on my Grammpa's farm and have seen where beef comes from etc. Also seen alot of "hunters" that were ignorant and disrespectful to nature or just plain useless people. Plenty of hypocrites on all sides I'd say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Of course you hate my reasoning, because it points out the most common of truths and that being unless you have experience with something you are speaking from ignorance.....Just as I can assume, read up, or have an opinion about something does not mean I'm automatically right...

SO yes, anyone may have their opinion, and they may deffinately say it.......Yet the second they open their mouth incorrectly spewing their inexperienced/uneducated/hence ignorant babble, I have the ability when knowing better, having more experience, and knowledge, to tell them they're full of cr*p.

So I'll say it again, "unless you have hunted & work with livestock to any degree, you're in no position to comment past "uneducated opinion" either way"....................Note the last, "either way"......If you take the time to read that past knee jerking to respond you'd realize that my statement does not take a side.

But how bout I do then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

So many people want to compare hunters to the "whack em and stack em" crowd. Truth of the matter is that once again is a statement made of ignorance in that of the thousands I have met, I'm not sure I have ever met one of those sorts. Now don't get me wrong, dress a bunch of men in camo and give them a few beers, then put them in a group and in short order the tall tales of cutting throats, and if it flies it dies spew forth.

In reality, i've not known a single one to NOT pat a deer and grow silent, or hold a duck in their hands and softly stroke it an injured expression on their face. Hunting is about all that goes with, right up to, after, and all you take away from it EXCEPT the kill. The killing part however has to be the intent or you will not endure the rest.

That said and in kind, what makes you think why their are so many slaughter houses, or why often neighbors help with the slaughter on farms most often doing the killing.........Because that same farmer has raised and learned of his livestock, he's about nurturing and creation not destruction. Yet just as the kill above from a hunter, the goal must be harvest or the rest will not happen.

Okie dokie, so you worked on a farm......Did you work the farm? Raise the livestock from birth, then one day with your own hand kill it?

Doubtful.........So yes, you may have your opinion, yet it is simply an uneducated one unless you have gone through ALL the motions that either process entails........Past that I have little respect for those that order the killings yet wash their hands of it and condemn those who take the responsibility to do the job........Consumer be thy name.

LEBillfish
10-04-2006, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by CrazySchmidt:
Funny for sure.
Don't these hunters carry hunting knives... why didn't he pull a knife and stab the f@$kin thing to death!! Rolling around like a God damned *****!!! Geeeezze!!

CS, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Let me see if I can compare a flailing deer hoof to something.......Ah yes, imagine a ballpeen hammer on the end of a 4' handle wielded by a gorilla that has done nothing all his life except practice swinging that hammer.

Now make that gorilla really randy, tempt him with thoughts of a CFM female gorrila, then when he gets there finds a ******ed lion......Bet he's not pleased....

As Horney Hammer Wielding Gorilla's are notorious for their lack of humor.....*tosses CS a boy scout knife*....Go get em tiger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ploughman
10-04-2006, 06:07 AM
LEBillfish, Your new avatar is mesmerising. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

LEBillfish
10-04-2006, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
LEBillfish, Your new avatar is mesmerising. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I have a better more hypnotic one, but i'd be banned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chuck_Older
10-04-2006, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Top of the food chain...and the only "animal" that need a wepon to hunt or they get the snot kicked out of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don't need a weapon to hunt kill and eat you </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but u would need 4 of your friends. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Keep telling yourself that. You'd better hope the two of us are never stranded in the Andes after a plane crash!

BaronUnderpants
10-04-2006, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Top of the food chain...and the only "animal" that need a wepon to hunt or they get the snot kicked out of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don't need a weapon to hunt kill and eat you </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but u would need 4 of your friends. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Keep telling yourself that. You'd better hope the two of us are never stranded in the Andes after a plane crash! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ill make a purdy snowangel out of your cloths after dinner and snack. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BaronUnderpants
10-04-2006, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrazySchmidt:
Funny for sure.
Don't these hunters carry hunting knives... why didn't he pull a knife and stab the f@$kin thing to death!! Rolling around like a God damned *****!!! Geeeezze!!

CS, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Let me see if I can compare a flailing deer hoof to something.......Ah yes, imagine a ballpeen hammer on the end of a 4' handle wielded by a gorilla that has done nothing all his life except practice swinging that hammer.

Now make that gorilla really randy, tempt him with thoughts of a CFM female gorrila, then when he gets there finds a ******ed lion......Bet he's not pleased....

As Horney Hammer Wielding Gorilla's are notorious for their lack of humor.....*tosses CS a boy scout knife*....Go get em tiger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


So what your saying is that a randy deer ( Bambi ) would take out a gorilla with a hammer trained in close combat....or at least it would be a close call? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Chuck_Older
10-04-2006, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:

Ill make a purdy snowangel out of your cloths after dinner and snack. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif of course you will. Nobody could ever be more duplicitous or clever or smart or strong or tough or fast or cunning as you are

StellarRat
10-04-2006, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
LEBillfish, Your new avatar is mesmerising. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I have a better more hypnotic one, but i'd be banned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>"...huge tracs of land..."

MEGILE
10-04-2006, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Grue_:

I couldn't kill an animal for pleasure but I wouldn't hesitate if I was hungry.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

F6_Ace
10-04-2006, 01:52 PM
Does this mean I can't have any more 'hoof and eyelid' burgers?

LEBillfish
10-04-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrazySchmidt:
Funny for sure.
Don't these hunters carry hunting knives... why didn't he pull a knife and stab the f@$kin thing to death!! Rolling around like a God damned *****!!! Geeeezze!!

CS, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Let me see if I can compare a flailing deer hoof to something.......Ah yes, imagine a ballpeen hammer on the end of a 4' handle wielded by a gorilla that has done nothing all his life except practice swinging that hammer.

Now make that gorilla really randy, tempt him with thoughts of a CFM female gorrila, then when he gets there finds a ******ed lion......Bet he's not pleased....

As Horney Hammer Wielding Gorilla's are notorious for their lack of humor.....*tosses CS a boy scout knife*....Go get em tiger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


So what your saying is that a randy deer ( Bambi ) would take out a gorilla with a hammer trained in close combat....or at least it would be a close call? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well it depends.....If the Gorilla was a Ninja Gorilla and Bambi went Pirate, then naturally Bambi would win.

BUT

If both were Pirates, or Ninja's then I might lean toward the Gorilla (remember he has an edge he's randy, yet so is the deer so tough call).....

Naturally, if one of them flew a Spit well, we all know how that works out......

BadA1m
10-04-2006, 05:25 PM
Uh....... nah.

heywooood
10-04-2006, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by F6_Ace:
Does this mean I can't have any more 'hoof and eyelid' burgers?

of course you can - just pull into McDonalds.

This 'top of the food chain' thing makes me laugh....I've seen people eat shark before, the steaks can be very tasty when grilled just right..but I'v also seen sharks eat people before, so I think that make us equal in the food chain catagory anyways.

Jetbuff
10-04-2006, 09:58 PM
Just a quick comment on the 'only vegetarians should speak' argument posed earlier in the thread.

There is very little in common with killing for sport and killing for food, regardless of who does it. The difference is night and day and the only thing in common they have is that animals are killed by humans.

And no, being a strict vegetarian isn't really an option for me since, iirc, there are at least 3 amino acids and several polyunsaturated fatty acids that are almost exclusive to animal products; plants simply don't produce them or produce them in very small amounts. i.e., to be a vegetarian and remain healthy requires a serious amount of effort at regulating the type of nutrition you are getting. Kudos to those able to pull it off, but I find it easier to be an omnivore as dictated by thousands of years of evolution.


Finally, no, I am not a hypocritical anti-hunting activist. If done in moderation (no negative impact on the wildlife) I don't give a rat's *** whether the kill was made for sport, food or fur.

Jetbuff
10-04-2006, 10:04 PM
PS: if you want truly hypocritical, the number 1 cause for animal (and plant) extinction is... Agriculture! Vast tracts of the rain-forest aren't being cleared to allow hunters access to prey but to flatten the land for plants fit for human consumption. So apparently death through starvation is the far more humane way to kill wildlife. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Xiolablu3
10-04-2006, 11:38 PM
If its a clean kill its not so bad. Its when some 'amateur hunter' goes out and shoots a Stag thru the kidney or Liver that it gets really bad.

Farm animals are killed humanely in the West (or are supposed to be). They are stunned first and then killed. They should not feel anything (although my Dad is a Farmer and his cows go crazy when they smell other cows blood (From a Abatiour (sp) lorry which drives up the road for eg.) so I guess its not all koche)

When a Stag or Boar is shot thru the Kidney or in the hip and runs off and takes days to die in agony, THATS when you have to question hunting.

On a side note, have you noticed how noone gives a **** about sealife? Fish are caught and suffocate, are cut up while still alive, whales are shot with a big hook and dragged upside down until they die a sad death. Crabs and Lobsters are thrown into boiling water and they squeel and scream. Its strange how noone gives a cr*p about sealife but get all crazy about land life.


I hate to watch pain and suffering, but the biggest cause of pain is nature. Watch a Lion rip apart a Zebra for instance. Or a Spider devour a fly by sucking the blood out of it. Still you have to say that we are more intelligent than them and should know better.

madsarmy
10-05-2006, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Only thing i hunt is pidgeons...disease infested....dirty flying rats that eat everything. Their populations have plummeted round here since i bought a 10 shot Air Arms S410 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

They have become a very popular rifle Aimail.

I have a Logun Solo & a BSA Scorpion with NightVision Scopes.
Rabbits are the major problem where I live.So me & my dogs eat well.

F6_Ace
10-05-2006, 01:12 PM
I used to go shooting myself - had a shotgun licence and used to 'control' nice little furry vermin like 'wabbits', crows, foxes, squirrels (grey, of course), magpies, wood pigeons etc...and then any pheasant that used to stray onto 'our' land. Hares I did not, or rabbits if I even remotely thought they could be a hare.

I think a rabbit would prefer death from a 12 bore as opposed to starving to death after going blind ("mixy")

Killing stuff humanely to eat it and/or because it is an actual pest is acceptable. Killing just for pleasure is not...unless it's a Tory MP.

russ.nl
10-05-2006, 01:48 PM
Funny to me is that a lot of hunters do feel that what they are doing could be wrong. Killing for the pleasure of killing. Otherwise why would they so offencivly deffent there point.

R_Target
10-05-2006, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
On a side note, have you noticed how noone gives a **** about sealife? Fish are caught and suffocate, are cut up while still alive, whales are shot with a big hook and dragged upside down until they die a sad death. Crabs and Lobsters are thrown into boiling water and they squeel and scream. Its strange how noone gives a cr*p about sealife but get all crazy about land life.

Don't worry, the people at Lobster Liberation! (http://lobsterlib.com/) have got you covered. They don't scream, btw.

SeaFireLIV
10-05-2006, 04:31 PM
Too much thinking again. If ya hungry and you see an animal, kill it - eat it! If it runs around a lot then have fun chasing it, then kill it and eat it....


Or save it for later.

vocatx
10-06-2006, 08:18 AM
I've read a FEW of the posts in this thread, and I'm not going to waste my time to read them all.

TO YOU CITY LIVING "EXPERTS" ON MORALITY:

While you may think that your holier than thou attitude about how wrong people are for hunting places you above the rest of humanity, it only shows how totally ignorant you are of reality. I live on a ranch, and have all of my 42 years. I don't personally deer hunt, and haven't in years. To me, it's more work than enjoyment, but I DO NOT hold it against anyone who wishes to hunt. WITHOUT HUNTERS THINNING THE NUMBERS, THERE WOULD BE MASSIVE DIE-OFFS OF WHITE TAIL DEER EVERY THREE YEARS OR SO!!!! It isn't my fault, it isn't your fault, it is how nature would try and keep numbers in check. Truth of the matter, where I live, numbers need to be thinned even more. Only a few years ago, according to National Geographic magazine, the area I live in had the highest deer population per square mile of any place on earth.

I am absolutely fed up with all the liberal do-gooders who don't know sh*t from shine-ola thinking that they know how the entire world should be run, when they have know idea what the h3ll they're talking about.

Before you start the worn-out arguement about how man has tipped the balance, yada yada yada...is man not a product of the same all-perfect nature? So, unless we were dropped onto this planet at some late date into an alien environment then anything we do, by definition, is part of nature taking it's course.

I'm not going to debate anyone on this subject, and it really deserves no debate. If you don't want to hunt, then don't hunt. But don't try and tell anyone else they are wrong for hunting. IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMNED BUSINESS!!! GET A FREAKING LIFE AND QUIT YOUR B*THCING!!!

ploughman
10-06-2006, 08:39 AM
Totally agree with you...except.


...then anything we do, by definition, is part of nature taking it's course.

I kind of have to leave you by yourself with that one, you see, being able to think I have to take responsibility for my actions.

BSS_Goat
10-06-2006, 08:40 AM
To Voctax:

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

And to the Anti-hunters:

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Xiolablu3
10-06-2006, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by vocatx:
. WITHOUT HUNTERS THINNING THE NUMBERS, THERE WOULD BE MASSIVE DIE-OFFS OF WHITE TAIL DEER EVERY THREE YEARS OR SO!!


Yeah, you had best kill them with your gun, or they might....die. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


I am not anti-hunting, I used to shoot rabbits/magpies/pigeons ect. But I find the phrase 'thinning out the numbers' hilarious.

You can say that nature is also cruel, but the fact is we are more intelligent than Animals, and should know better than to kill/maim (and animals DO get maimed, not every kill is a clean kill) animals for pleasure.

LEBillfish
10-06-2006, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by russ.nl:
Funny to me is that a lot of hunters do feel that what they are doing could be wrong. Killing for the pleasure of killing. Otherwise why would they so offencivly deffent there point.

Absolutely!.....The morality of the hunt is questioned every time you loose an arrow, pull a trigger, set a trap, or thrust a lance....Even setting a hook as any fisherman can tell you after a long hard fight, to try and release it yet it dies from the stress......

That is what sets those who do apart, as they do consider it, reflect on it, and then deal with it......

In contrast to your implication though, though both sides are vehement, the hunters produce fact, numbers, experience, and so on. The anti's produce slurs, insults, and misinformed propaganda based out of ignorance..........Point blank, they don't do it, so won't even take the time to consider the points, yet because they don't then no one should. Heaven forbid they be wrong (or most often feel as though they'll be labeled inadequate).

In the end however, though hunting does help with wildlife management, feed the poor (as you do know many food banks use wild game donated to feed the needy right?), and supply wildlife research information as well as a number of the leather products so many of you use........It really isn't the reason most hunt, nor for food as anyone could work an equivalent amount of time it takes and buy 20x the food.

It's about learning and experiencing. It's about testing of ones own self at times, and it's about living the cycle of life fully.

The balance, the very real and valid arguments as to why for most just a plus, not the motivation............Yet I can tell you this, if you have never hunted, and I mean really hunted to an extreme degree, then there is a very important part of YOU that you are missing out on............More so, experiencing the lions share of our world.

Quite simply, if you don't hunt, understanding it is above you're ability to and experience base to grasp......Yet once you do you'll understand the very solemn task at hand and will still with respectful reflection.

T_O_A_D
10-06-2006, 01:06 PM
Well I'm off to the words tommorrow with my Bow and arrows, to collect my lions share of protein.

Thanks for the pep talk LEBillfish.


And to the anti's The next time you run over one of these DEER with your car, just remember I tried to kill it, but no one perfect.

woofiedog
10-06-2006, 01:27 PM
T_O_A_D... Good luck on the Hunt!

R_Target... It going to be a Great Week-End to thin out those Pesky Herds of Lobster's... off from the Maine Coast! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'll try not to bathe them in to much Butter and Lemon. LoL

Another Claw anyone!