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stalkervision
07-14-2007, 01:27 PM
On the history channel. Excellent episode last night. They have a multiplayer game apparently, based on the show episodes! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/

btw, the videos are all excellent on the "Dogfights" homepage! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif


Will someone download the game and give a report of it here. My computer wouldn't load it's drivers to Vista.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisit...=54949&mini_id=51833 (http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&display_order=1&content_type_id=54949&mini_id=51833)

stalkervision
07-14-2007, 01:27 PM
On the history channel. Excellent episode last night. They have a multiplayer game apparently, based on the show episodes! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/

btw, the videos are all excellent on the "Dogfights" homepage! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif


Will someone download the game and give a report of it here. My computer wouldn't load it's drivers to Vista.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisit...=54949&mini_id=51833 (http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&display_order=1&content_type_id=54949&mini_id=51833)

Sillius_Sodus
07-14-2007, 01:57 PM
Not great, third person only, cliumsy control setup. Better than nothing I suppose. Gets you to their wesite.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Korolov1986
07-14-2007, 02:02 PM
Maybe we'll get some of the pilots looking for more over here.

Site is kinda cool though... But I'd prefer something more along the lines of Jane's WW2 Fighters museum. That rocked.

rileyjams
07-14-2007, 02:03 PM
yeah, it's very simple. 2 weapons which are the guns. 2 maps, 1 is Wake Island and the other is open sea with a boat and Kamakazi. 4 Planes; Zero, Hellcat, SBD

Controls are sloppy and the graphics are what you expect from a free game

I'd play it just to kill time, takes seconds to load

Makabi-
07-14-2007, 07:07 PM
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans.

Rjel
07-14-2007, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://home.comcast.net/~rjelmiles/Dead_Horse.jpg

LStarosta
07-14-2007, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are correct. You are wrong.

Copperhead310th
07-14-2007, 08:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's obvious to me that you Makabi- are harbuoring some very serios Anti-American sentiments. In the Future i would kindly ask that you refrain from using the word "Yank" or "Yankee" as there are many in the US who find that term offensive and insulting. I my self being one of those ppl. But since you are obviuosly NOT from the US yuo would not know or understand this. So let me explain. Calling an American a "Yank" or "Yankee" is an insult in some parts of this country. Indded so much so that i would advise very strongly AGANST useing that term in public, for you own health, safety & secruity.
It's the equivilant of Shortening the Word Japanese. to it's first three letters. As well it is almost as offinsive in my region of the country as the "N" word. Almost but not quite.
So now that you have been informed please refrain from useing that word in the future.

Targ
07-14-2007, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The term Yank is deemed offensive to just one guy, but that is enough so I do Herby proclaim you to have made an racist comment. Know go sit in the corner http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Copperhead310th
07-14-2007, 08:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Targ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The term Yank is deemed offensive to just one guy, but that is enough so I do Herby proclaim you to have made an racist comment. Know go sit in the corner http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Targ. your not from my part of the country. you have no idea.

Blood_Splat
07-14-2007, 08:23 PM
Well lets see a German produced dogfights and see how that turns out. Or maybe a British produced and Japanese produced dogfights. Each country would have their fighters held on a freaking pedestal so who cares.

Copperhead310th
07-14-2007, 08:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blood_Splat:
Well lets see a German produced dogfights and see how that turns out. Or maybe a British produced and Japanese produced dogfights. Each country would have their fighters held on a freaking pedestal so who cares. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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rileyjams
07-14-2007, 08:34 PM
If you bothered to watch the season premier or any episode, they had Japanese and German pilots on it and it wasn't and the show has never been focused on American fighters

Akronnick
07-14-2007, 10:17 PM
I saw last night's season premier and I must say that it may have been the best episode yet.

In the first hour they focused on Japanese Kamikaze operations. They interviewed veterans from both sides, American sailors whose ships had been attacked by Kamikazes, and Japanese pilots, one who flew escort during actual kamikaze misions, and another who had trained to fly the okha flying bomb.

The second hour the featured German pilots who intentionally rammed American bombers with their own fighters. Amazingly, they had three German pilots who had done this and actually survived the encounter. Those guys must have had two great big brass ones.

Makabi-
07-14-2007, 11:03 PM
Copperhead, I already knew that, I just don't care enough to refrain from using the word. I fail to see why I should be concerned if somebody takes offence to something I say over the internet.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blood_Splat:
Well lets see a German produced dogfights and see how that turns out. Or maybe a British produced and Japanese produced dogfights. Each country would have their fighters held on a freaking pedestal so who cares. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

good point, but I'd still like to see something else other than late-war bomber escorts and Pacific dogfights.

LEBillfish
07-15-2007, 12:03 AM
From the true south, mountains of the Great State of Tennessee....Thought the american flag was stars and bars till I left home.....

I like being referred to as a Yank or Yankee...Goes back long before North and South. Although, I'm not actively "looking" to take offense, or troll http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

tagTaken2
07-15-2007, 01:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Indded so much so that i would advise very strongly AGANST useing that term in public, for you own health, safety & secruity.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or what?

You'll invade?

Seriously, the Dogfights series is pretty bad. Worthwhile footage, interesting interviews (badly edited!), but I would hate to think anyone would take them as historical accounts. The balanced or even bigger picture is MIA.

Damn yankees.

berg417448
07-15-2007, 09:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:


good point, but I'd still like to see something else other than late-war bomber escorts and Pacific dogfights. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check the website and you'll see that they are covering these subjects in season 2 in addition to several about Korea and Vietnam:

DOGFIGHTS OF THE HOLY LAND
The innovative, delta-winged MiG-21 arrives in the Middle East. Israel must acquire a fighter to counter the threat and soon settles on the French-built Mirage III. The Mirage and MiG-21 seemed destined for combat with each other...but only one will emerge as the preeminent delta-wing fighter of its day.

THE FIRST DOGFIGHTERS
Some of the greatest fighter pilots of all time engaged in epic duels over the battered landscape of France and Belgium. Fokker triplanes, Spads, and SE5s go head to head in World War I's most famous dogfights.

BATTLE FOR THE FALKLANDS
The 1982 Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands triggered war with the United Kingdom. Remarkable vertical take-off and landing Sea Harriers take on Mirages and A4s in some of the best dogfights of the modern age. The British establish air superiority but the Argentines sink several ships with wave-top level attacks in A4s.

RamsteinUSA
07-15-2007, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Targ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The term Yank is deemed offensive to just one guy, but that is enough so I do Herby proclaim you to have made an racist comment. Know go sit in the corner http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Targ. your not from my part of the country. you have no idea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These self proclaimed language and sensitivities and political correctness experts are full of BS. While I am from California, While in the USAF in several states and in other countries, I had to live with these guys from the South and North, who are still jabbering on about the Civil war. They had completley false idea about people from California. They were stil either fighting about the civil war, or joking about it. I was at one base and one guy I worked with (white) would joke with our supervisor (black) and tell him the him grandandy owned our supervisor's granddady. they liked each other and love to just stick it to each other back and forth.

Some of these kids from the east of south and the dumbest ideas about other parts of the country. I've met kids from farm states in the middles of the coutnry who had an insane jealousy thinking everyone form California was rich and had everything.. these insane thoughts being so jealous with these bogus thruths, they were full of anger thinking they ahd been cheated.

There are people who come here thinking that everyone lives the life of movie stars, just because they see it movies.

Back tot he Yank thing,, it doens't mean anything to most, people in modern times, there is no offence... the people int he North and South don't take any offence.... except when it's some ball game... theyn they start playing the old civil war game with each other for fun.... to make the ball game or competition more exciting..

If someone says they are offended, they are just morons trying to speak for people who they don't represent. My Ancestors came from places like Austria/Germany, England, Ireland, Cherokee Indains,.. yet I don't go around pretending to be part of their hatreds...

These kids who pick this PC stuff up, just have no life, so they try to carry a torch from history... they are trying to make themselves bigger than they are..

I also suspect those that say bad things about the dogfigt series,, have no clue wha tthey are talking about, saying that since the series was made by us Yanks.. than it is one-sided and shows us in a better light than the enemy as far as better planes, better pilots. 'Load of ****.' that is.... I still say we have the most honest nation that gives credit where credit is due. and if you think you can do better with a better dogfight series, make it or shut-up.

How would you back up your we tipped the series and facts in our favor when many of our planes were given, sent, sold, to other nations in land lease programs... they flew the same planes,, so they are liars too??!!
WTF??

All of the Allied Nations are liars? and the side that lost (axis powers and nations) were truthful, and had the best planes and pilots?

So many clowns are still strying to distort facts to make themselves feel better. How did we doctor archival footage of these dogfights. The History Channel and Military channel bring in the pilots Infantryment, and Seamen from all the nations that fought in the wars, both sides to make these documentaries... They put these itnerviews and stories on film and in books, and the story is told from both sides... credit is given to whoever deserves it...

For anyone ot say the Dogfight series (or any other historic project) is slanted is s full of BS they should go see a doctor about having it pumped out..

Would those who say this BS about it being slanted at least put the country you are from in your profile! It would be interesting to see where they protests are from.... Maybe because it's sour grapes? maybe your ancestors were screwups and you have some deepseated hatred?

Most countries have the facts to back them up.. but a few are stil trying to feed us BS!


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eLWood_NY
07-15-2007, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's obvious to me that you Makabi- are harbuoring some very serios Anti-American sentiments. In the Future i would kindly ask that you refrain from using the word "Yank" or "Yankee" as there are many in the US who find that term offensive and insulting. I my self being one of those ppl. But since you are obviuosly NOT from the US yuo would not know or understand this. So let me explain. Calling an American a "Yank" or "Yankee" is an insult in some parts of this country. Indded so much so that i would advise very strongly AGANST useing that term in public, for you own health, safety & secruity.
It's the equivilant of Shortening the Word Japanese. to it's first three letters. As well it is almost as offinsive in my region of the country as the "N" word. Almost but not quite.
So now that you have been informed please refrain from useing that word in the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mees kan tell yos southern fok by da way you speel. GiT R DONE!

Bearcat99
07-15-2007, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
Copperhead, I already knew that, I just don't care enough to refrain from using the word. I fail to see why I should be concerned if somebody takes offence to something I say over the internet.
good point, but I'd still like to see something else other than late-war bomber escorts and Pacific dogfights. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then either make your own show or dont watch it. Although I don't find the term Yank offensive at all.. being from the Bronx and being raised 6 blocks from Yankee Stadium.. how could I... some do especially those from the south. It is sort of like calling a Puerto Rican Spanish... or a Philipino Japanese... I know these things don't mean much to you being so braggadocious and all... but I was always raised by my parents to respect other peoples wishes where applicable out of common courtesy and decency. As I said I am not offended by the term Yank.. but I do find your not so veiled stab at America in general with this gem
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
a bit much and frankly that is getting rather old.

Courtesy works if you cant seem to understand that and let it be reflected in your actions then please.. go elsewhere. That can be arranged. Read in between the lines what you want. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif That goes for any of you other yahoos.. from the US or elsewhere.... Courtesy isnt hard.... There is enough BS going on around here without sonme of you folks feeding the flames.... dont feed it and it won t grow.

Doolittle81
07-15-2007, 01:23 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">
Here's the list of Season Two shows, the first episode about Kamikaze and European Theater suicide ramming events having already been broadcast this past Friday:</span>

KAMIKAZE
Imperial Japan, desperate to prop up their rapidly collapsing empire, sent poorly trained volunteer pilots in suicide attacks against American naval targets. This wasn't the only time pilots used the plane itself as a weapon. German, Russian, and even US ramming tactics will be explored.

JET VS. JET
In the skies over North Korea F86s slug it out with communist MiG-15s. American pilots are in pursuit of a previously unknown glory...the title of jet ace.

THUNDERBOLT
The P-47 Thunderbolt, or Jug as it was known distinguished itself as one of the most lethal dogfighters of World War II- a classic warbird best remembered for its size, ruggedness, and reputation for protecting the pilot.Episode features the legendary P-47 Thunderbolt and the courageous pilots who flew them - including Robert S. Johnson's fight where a German Fw190 unloads all of his ammo into the Thunderbolt but can't knock it down. The show also details fights with Thunderbolt Aces Donald Bryan and George Sutcliffe.<span class="ev_code_RED"> [I recommend that everyone try to see MysticPuma's IL2-based Machinima movie, "Not My Time To Die" movie before watching the "Dogffights" version. My money is on NMTTD! Check this link to a discussion of the movie and link to download: NMTTD (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/65710358/m/8441068925) </span>


DOGFIGHTS OF THE HOLY LAND
The innovative, delta-winged MiG-21 arrives in the Middle East. Israel must acquire a fighter to counter the threat and soon settles on the French-built Mirage III. The Mirage and MiG-21 seemed destined for combat with each other...but only one will emerge as the preeminent delta-wing fighter of its day.

GUN KILLS OF VIETNAM
The era of missiles had arrived. Electronic warfare was coming of age. But when technology fails pilots are forced to do combat the old-fashioned way-maneuver in close and blow the enemy out of the sky with guns.

THE FIRST DOGFIGHTERS
Some of the greatest fighter pilots of all time engaged in epic duels over the battered landscape of France and Belgium. Fokker triplanes, Spads, and SE5s go head to head in World War I's most famous dogfights.

NO ROOM FOR ERROR
It's where a pilot can ill afford to make a mistake...but where dogfights are inexorably drawn. Down on the deck-at treetop level-the margin for error is zero.

NIGHT FIGHTERS
From Radar equipped Hellcats in the Pacific to modern stealth technology.

THE BLOODIEST DAY
May 10, 1972. The bloodiest day of air combat during the Vietnam war featured numerous twisting and turning dogfigts. Bob Lodge and Roger Locher pioneer electronic warfare and engage in one of the most exciting air battles of the war.

P-51 MUSTANG
In the European theater of world war II the P-51 Mustang proved itself to be the quintessential dogfighter and went on to become the most famous warbird in history.

DOGFIGHTS OF DESERT STORM
The planes have changed but the jeopardy remains the same. American fighter pilots pit F-15s against Iraqi MiG-25s and advanced MiG-29s as part of Operation Desert Storm.

BATTLE FOR THE FALKLANDS
The 1982 Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands triggered war with the United Kingdom. Remarkable vertical take-off and landing Sea Harriers take on Mirages and A4s in some of the best dogfights of the modern age. The British establish air superiority but the Argentines sink several ships with wave-top level attacks in A4s.

SUPERSONIC
Stories of the development of jet aircraft and their subsequent introduction into combat. Includes stories of test pilots who were the first Germans and Americans to fly these aircraft and the great air battles that were fought through the years at Supersonic speed.

DEATH OF THE LUFTWAFFE
The Luftwaffe's last great offensive was launched on January 1, 1945...called Operation Bodenplatte. Oscar Boesch was a German pilot who took part. Sandy Moats and Alden Rigby were American pilots whose airbase was swarmed by fighters. After this day, the Luftwaffe was shattered as an effective fighting force.

TUSKEGEE AIRMEN
African-American pilots of the 332nd distinguished themselves as one of the most successful fighter groups of the war, despite the bigotry and prejudice they faced from their own countrymen.

Rjel
07-15-2007, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doolittle81:
[color:BLUE]
P-51 MUSTANG
In the European theater of world war II the P-51 Mustang proved itself to be the quintessential dogfighter and went on to become the most famous warbird in history.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh man, an entire episode devoted to the P-51. Someone better fire up an extra server or two here to handle all the post from that one.

I'm looking forward to the Tuskegee Airmen episode.

stalkervision
07-15-2007, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's obvious to me that you Makabi- are harbuoring some very serios Anti-American sentiments. In the Future i would kindly ask that you refrain from using the word "Yank" or "Yankee" as there are many in the US who find that term offensive and insulting. I my self being one of those ppl. But since you are obviuosly NOT from the US yuo would not know or understand this. So let me explain. Calling an American a "Yank" or "Yankee" is an insult in some parts of this country. Indded so much so that i would advise very strongly AGANST useing that term in public, for you own health, safety & secruity.
It's the equivilant of Shortening the Word Japanese. to it's first three letters. As well it is almost as offinsive in my region of the country as the "N" word. Almost but not quite.
So now that you have been informed please refrain from useing that word in the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

at least he isn't calling us "doughboys" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In the future anyone that wants to insult us please use more creative insults will you please such as "bloody burger heads" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

stalkervision
07-15-2007, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Akronnick:
I saw last night's season premier and I must say that it may have been the best episode yet.

In the first hour they focused on Japanese Kamikaze operations. They interviewed veterans from both sides, American sailors whose ships had been attacked by Kamikazes, and Japanese pilots, one who flew escort during actual kamikaze misions, and another who had trained to fly the okha flying bomb.

The second hour the featured German pilots who intentionally rammed American bombers with their own fighters. Amazingly, they had three German pilots who had done this and actually survived the encounter. Those guys must have had two great big brass ones. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
07-15-2007, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
Copperhead, I already knew that, I just don't care enough to refrain from using the word. I fail to see why I should be concerned if somebody takes offence to something I say over the internet.
good point, but I'd still like to see something else other than late-war bomber escorts and Pacific dogfights. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then either make your own show or dont watch it. Although I don't find the term Yank offensive at all.. being from the Bronx and being raised 6 blocks from Yankee Stadium.. how could I... some do especially those from the south. It is sort of like calling a Puerto Rican Spanish... or a Philipino Japanese... I know these things don't mean much to you being so braggadocious and all... but I was always raised by my parents to respect other peoples wishes where applicable out of common courtesy and decency. As I said I am not offended by the term Yank.. but I do find your not so veiled stab at America in general with this gem
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
a bit much and frankly that is getting rather old.

Courtesy works if you cant seem to understand that and let it be reflected in your actions then please.. go elsewhere. That can be arranged. Read in between the lines what you want. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif That goes for any of you other yahoos.. from the US or elsewhere.... Courtesy isnt hard.... There is enough BS going on around here without sonme of you folks feeding the flames.... dont feed it and it won t grow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He he he bearcat here the news? A Rod is defecting and guess which team will probably get him.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

berg417448
07-15-2007, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doolittle81:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doolittle81:
[color:BLUE]
P-51 MUSTANG
In the European theater of world war II the P-51 Mustang proved itself to be the quintessential dogfighter and went on to become the most famous warbird in history.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Rjel....something odd in your post....your quote of me is not correct. I never posted about the P51.


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The P-51 stuff is in the list of episodes you posted.

Doolittle81
07-15-2007, 01:45 PM
sorry...

Bearcat99
07-15-2007, 02:22 PM
Why are you sorry.... It still wasn't something you said.. it was a quote directly from Dogfights correct? You have nothing to be sorry about.

BoCfuss
07-15-2007, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
but I'd still like to see something else other than late-war bomber escorts and Pacific dogfights. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who is forcing you to watch? Yet, you do, then you come on here and do nothing but complain, because this part of History doesn't suit your version or perspective. Make your own, I bet it would have very few if any yanks in it. I would care less.

Makabi-
07-15-2007, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
Check the website and you'll see that they are covering these subjects in season 2 in addition to several about Korea and Vietnam: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that's great, although it seems you didn't notice that I stated that those are the battles I am particularly uninterested in, and neither Korea nor Vietnam interest me much either.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RamsteinUSA:
All of the Allied Nations are liars? and the side that lost (axis powers and nations) were truthful, and had the best planes and pilots? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

where did I state that? I only stated that I'm sick of being told that Americans are the best all the time. (I live right above you guys, so it's unavoidable.)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Courtesy works if you cant seem to understand that and let it be reflected in your actions then please.. go elsewhere. That can be arranged. Read in between the lines what you want. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll admit in hindsight that I was being quite harsh with my words, but I sort of picked up an a**hole attitude from another forum (which I no longer visit) where any time I wasn't serious or tried to crack a joke I got a figurative slap to the face. I'll try to keep my feelings of such things to myself in the future.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BoCfuss:
Who is forcing you to watch? Yet, you do, then you come on here and do nothing but complain, because this part of History doesn't suit your version or perspective. Make your own, I bet it would have very few if any yanks in it. I would care less. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nobody is forcing me to watch it, in fact I stopped after a few episodes. the only one that really tickled my fancy was about the sinking of the Bismark and the role that the Swordfish played. but just because I don't watch it anymore doesn't mean I can't still complain about it.

Udidtoo
07-15-2007, 03:41 PM
I have a good deal more experience with the entire "Yank/Yankee drama than I would have wanted.

When I was a kid my family moved from rural south central IL.(Yankee land) to Mobile Alabama(Rebel country) At the time of the American Civil War. ( War of Northern Aggression) ,we had not a single living relative in the U.S. that we are aware of. All 4 of my grandparents came here from Scotland as children.

It's funny that some of the posters seemed surprised by anyone being offended by the term Yank. For me it meant having to spend most of the next 2 school years with my hands ready to fight because of something along these lines. "My daddy say's yer a damn yankee and I should yup yer ***".

When your in 4th grade try telling some ignorant cracker that while you understand the concepts of unthinking prejudice & unreasoning hatred your kin wasn't actually involved so you don't feel you should have to be bothered. It doesn't work. It can't. Those kids were already programmed by "Pap and Granpa" to hate me over offense I never gave before they ever layed eyes upon me simply because I was born on the northern side of a line on a map. They're told things " we shall never forget Sherman's March" as if those paps of theirs were there or it impacted them directly in some way. Then they pass that tradition on to their own kids.

If you go to the right, or wrong depending on your view, parts still today it isn't hard to find young men who have been taught to say "Yankee" in tone that leaves little doubt. They lack the history of their own regions to know about a Sherman, his March or a Battle of Atlanta. They just know how they are supposed to feel about Yankee's

I'm by no means advocating it's use be banned or anything just @ the poster who said he didn't care if it offended or Targ stating it to be a problem only for 1 of forums personalities, it is considered a rather serious insult to quite a few more people than you might imagine. I'm far from being the only one with scars to prove it.


If nothing else turn the sound off and just watch the action when Dogfights is playing. Myself, I'll judge the shows as I see them by the merit they deserve. My crystal ball is at the shop.

berg417448
07-15-2007, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
Check the website and you'll see that they are covering these subjects in season 2 in addition to several about Korea and Vietnam: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"that's great, although it seems you didn't notice that I stated that those are the battles I am particularly uninterested in, and neither Korea nor Vietnam interest me much either.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems you didn't notice what you actually posted.
Here is what you posted:

"Originally posted by Makabi-:
but I'd still like to see something else other than late-war bomber escorts and Pacific dogfights."

Is the Falklands about either of those subjects? Is WWI over France and Belgium about those subjects? Is Dogfights over the Holy land about those subjects?

I was trying to help you out and point you to something different but for some reason you seem more interested in confrontation.

Rjel
07-15-2007, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
where did I state that? I only stated that I'm sick of being told that Americans are the best all the time. (I live right above you guys, so it's unavoidable.)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It must be tough to have an inferiority complex from 300 million people. Yikes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
nobody is forcing me to watch it, in fact I stopped after a few episodes. the only one that really tickled my fancy was about the sinking of the Bismark and the role that the Swordfish played. but just because I don't watch it anymore doesn't mean I can't still complain about it.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, you can still complain, but it might give your arguments a little more weight if you actually knew what you were complaining about.

BoCfuss
07-15-2007, 04:20 PM
Makabi-
You don't even watch the show, except for maybe three times, and you are sick of all the pro america stories? Right. It is a show produced, directed, and advertised for Americans, honestly man. Please give some examples of people on this board proclaiming that America is the best at everything. Sounds more like a complex to me. If it makes you feel better Canada is much better at Hockey then the U.S. I'm sure if I thought about it I could come up with something else. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WWSensei
07-15-2007, 04:51 PM
Cut the guy some slack, he's just going along with the latest fashion of being anti-American....it's trendy ya know?

Just find out ironically funny to see the complaints about the series being too American when the first episode focused on the Japanese and German pilots and their missions.

While I'm not terribly surprised to see an American produced show focus on American pilots I still haven't figured out why just about every movie produced about ancient Rome (or any of the Bronze and Iron Age stories) always has everyone speaking in a British accent. ;-)

WWSensei
07-15-2007, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BoCfuss:
If it makes you feel better Canada is much better at Hockey then the U.S. I'm sure if I thought about it I could come up with something else. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Careful, they're still pissed about Gretsky going to the Kings....but then again they foisted William Shatner on us. But truly the master stroke was Keanu Reeves. I don't think we'll ever recover...

Copperhead310th
07-15-2007, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSensei:

Careful, they're still pissed about Gretsky going to the Kings....but then again they foisted William Shatner on us. But truly the master stroke was Keanu Reeves. I don't think we'll ever recover... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rolf http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Monterey13
07-15-2007, 05:28 PM
But hey, they DO have the Naked News. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Bearcat99
07-15-2007, 07:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
that's great, although it seems you didn't notice that I stated that those are the battles I am particularly uninterested in, and neither Korea nor Vietnam interest me much either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lighten up.. it's all good.. Me? I could care less if it was 109s and 190s or Macchis and Fiats.. if it has warbirds I am there..


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">where did I state that? I only stated that I'm sick of being told that Americans are the best all the time. (I live right above you guys, so it's unavoidable.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you get that from Dogfights then you are reading waaaay between the lines there eh?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Courtesy works if you cant seem to understand that and let it be reflected in your actions then please.. go elsewhere. That can be arranged. Read in between the lines what you want. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'll admit in hindsight that I was being quite harsh with my words, but I sort of picked up an a**hole attitude from another forum (which I no longer visit) where any time I wasn't serious or tried to crack a joke I got a figurative slap to the face. I'll try to keep my feelings of such things to myself in the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats all I'm asking... If you think that the Americans here think that WE won the war then you are mistaken. We do however think that we contributed greatly... just like the Brits, the Canadians, The Soviets, The French and all the other allied nations that I may have failed to mention... and we take great umbrage to the continuous though not quite as frequent as it used to be poo pooing of anything American on these boards..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">nobody is forcing me to watch it, in fact I stopped after a few episodes. the only one that really tickled my fancy was about the sinking of the Bismark and the role that the Swordfish played. but just because I don't watch it anymore doesn't mean I can't still complain about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again... don't shortchange yourself man.. it's all good. Take a tip from Geroge Clintonhttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ITjoKIAtKFViaM:http://www.exclaim.ca/images/george_clinton_01.jpg ... "Free your mind.... and your @ss will follow.... " http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

HellToupee
07-16-2007, 03:11 AM
Its an american show made for american audiences its pretty logical they focus on american planes/pilots. WW2 docos created here would focus on the desert war, monte cassino for example because thats where our people fought and what our audiences want to see.

Only episode just off the description i think might be a bit naff is nightfighters, where it says from radar equipped hellcats in the pacific, sounds like they are skipping where night fighting began.

kameron1974
07-16-2007, 03:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are correct. You are wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. You are wrong.
Erich H. should have been episode 1.

Rjel
07-16-2007, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kameron1974:
No. You are wrong.
Erich H. should have been episode 1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except he died several years ago. All of the episodes I've seen have had living pilots from their respective eras doing the narration of their battles.

faustnik
07-16-2007, 12:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HellToupee:
Its an american show made for american audiences its pretty logical they focus on american planes/pilots. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As an American, I find the shows entertaining, especially in HD.

So, I guess they are doing their job. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

crucislancer
07-16-2007, 12:57 PM
I really enjoyed the season premiere. It was great to see not only the kamikaze story, but the German one as well, which was little known to me. I had heard about it, but never followed up.

I posted this somewhere else in the forums, but for those that have Comcast On Demand, they have the upcoming episode about Thunderbolts available now for free. My favorite of the series so far. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And, for those that have a problem with the focus of the show, perhaps a campaign from our brothers overseas to History Channel might be in order to add more content? I'm pretty happy with what they have presented so far, and it seems that there are a few episodes that either focus on a different perspective (the Bismark episode, Season 2 premiere, IAF episode), or at least include some anicdotes from the other side of the equation. But, I wouldn't mind seeing more as well.

zardozid
07-16-2007, 06:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I really enjoyed the season premiere. It was great to see not only the kamikaze story, but the German one as well, which was little known to me. I had heard about it, but never followed up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Japan also had a B29 intercept group that would employ a survivable "ramming" technique. Their where even pilots that had been heralded in the news papers as having repeatedly rammed the big bombers and parachute to safty...

LStarosta
07-16-2007, 06:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kameron1974:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are correct. You are wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. You are wrong.
Erich H. should have been episode 1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. You are a knewb, and therefore wrong. Go back to your timeout chair.

Bearcat99
07-16-2007, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
nobody is forcing me to watch it, in fact I stopped after a few episodes. the only one that really tickled my fancy was about the sinking of the Bismark and the role that the Swordfish played. but just because I don't watch it anymore doesn't mean I can't still complain about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

..... dont complain here... complain here (http://boards.historychannel.com/category.jspa?categoryID=800000014)

Copperhead310th
07-16-2007, 08:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kameron1974:
No. You are wrong.
Erich H. should have been episode 1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except he died several years ago. All of the episodes I've seen have had living pilots from their respective eras doing the narration of their battles. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

baa Heartman was a lier. he paddeed his kills the same way 14 year old girls pad thier bra's. lol
(boy that should get the old LW crowd flaming hot. ahhh it's good to be back on the good guys side. lol) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Clipper_51
07-16-2007, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's obvious to me that you Makabi- are harbuoring some very serios Anti-American sentiments. In the Future i would kindly ask that you refrain from using the word "Yank" or "Yankee" as there are many in the US who find that term offensive and insulting. I my self being one of those ppl. But since you are obviuosly NOT from the US yuo would not know or understand this. So let me explain. Calling an American a "Yank" or "Yankee" is an insult in some parts of this country. Indded so much so that i would advise very strongly AGANST useing that term in public, for you own health, safety & secruity.
It's the equivilant of Shortening the Word Japanese. to it's first three letters. As well it is almost as offinsive in my region of the country as the "N" word. Almost but not quite.
So now that you have been informed please refrain from useing that word in the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey fire away! I don't mind being called a Yank. We won http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Clipper from NY - love ya my Southern bro's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Clipper_51
07-16-2007, 08:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
Copperhead, I already knew that, I just don't care enough to refrain from using the word. I fail to see why I should be concerned if somebody takes offence to something I say over the internet.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blood_Splat:
Well lets see a German produced dogfights and see how that turns out. Or maybe a British produced and Japanese produced dogfights. Each country would have their fighters held on a freaking pedestal so who cares. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

good point, but I'd still like to see something else other than late-war bomber escorts and Pacific dogfights. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then go petition your conutry's TV broadcasters genius - It's an American show

Copperhead310th
07-16-2007, 09:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Clipper_51:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
not the biggest fan of Dogfights, too much yank stuff, not enough variety. I will admit though that it's amusing seeing them try to claim that all of the greatest air battles of WWII involved Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's obvious to me that you Makabi- are harbuoring some very serios Anti-American sentiments. In the Future i would kindly ask that you refrain from using the word "Yank" or "Yankee" as there are many in the US who find that term offensive and insulting. I my self being one of those ppl. But since you are obviuosly NOT from the US yuo would not know or understand this. So let me explain. Calling an American a "Yank" or "Yankee" is an insult in some parts of this country. Indded so much so that i would advise very strongly AGANST useing that term in public, for you own health, safety & secruity.
It's the equivilant of Shortening the Word Japanese. to it's first three letters. As well it is almost as offinsive in my region of the country as the "N" word. Almost but not quite.
So now that you have been informed please refrain from useing that word in the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey fire away! I don't mind being called a Yank. We won http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Clipper from NY - love ya my Southern bro's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hell i rekon you Yankees are alright. So long as you stay on yer side of the fence that is.
by the way.....Can we have Florida back? we need at least one decant place to vacatiion down here ya know.
there are more ppl form Jersy in Flrodia than there are Flroidians!

Clipper_51
07-16-2007, 09:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
Check the website and you'll see that they are covering these subjects in season 2 in addition to several about Korea and Vietnam: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that's great, although it seems you didn't notice that I stated that those are the battles I am particularly uninterested in, and neither Korea nor Vietnam interest me much either.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RamsteinUSA:
All of the Allied Nations are liars? and the side that lost (axis powers and nations) were truthful, and had the best planes and pilots? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

where did I state that? I only stated that I'm sick of being told that Americans are the best all the time. (I live right above you guys, so it's unavoidable.)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Courtesy works if you cant seem to understand that and let it be reflected in your actions then please.. go elsewhere. That can be arranged. Read in between the lines what you want. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll admit in hindsight that I was being quite harsh with my words, but I sort of picked up an a**hole attitude from another forum (which I no longer visit) where any time I wasn't serious or tried to crack a joke I got a figurative slap to the face. I'll try to keep my feelings of such things to myself in the future.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BoCfuss:
Who is forcing you to watch? Yet, you do, then you come on here and do nothing but complain, because this part of History doesn't suit your version or perspective. Make your own, I bet it would have very few if any yanks in it. I would care less. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nobody is forcing me to watch it, in fact I stopped after a few episodes. the only one that really tickled my fancy was about the sinking of the Bismark and the role that the Swordfish played. but just because I don't watch it anymore doesn't mean I can't still complain about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, let me get this straight ... You're a Canadian who thinks Americans are arrogant braggarts who take too much credit for any good done in the world. Get in line. C'mon, you can do better than that!

Blutarski2004
07-16-2007, 09:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Makabi-:
Copperhead, I already knew that, I just don't care enough to refrain from using the word. I fail to see why I should be concerned if somebody takes offence to something I say over the internet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... How delightfully obtuse of you.

Bewolf
07-17-2007, 02:43 AM
two remarks to this.

1. One problem with those kinda shows stem not from the fact that they are american based and thus feature mostly american involvements.

But the comments going along with them. For example "P51, worlds most famous fighter plane". To me it appears americans put the term "world" and "US" as an equal. Cuz outside the US the most famous crates would be the 109/spit combo in Europe and the Zeke in Asia. Nobody there cares much for a plane that got prominent only in the last 2 years of the war. Nobody blames americans for focussing on their own themes,as I said, but those kinda "claims" are what set ppl off all the time.

2. Anti americansim. It is really astonishing. I may be provocative this time, but I never met a people that were so criticism resistant as are americans. I had this with tommies, frogs, spaniards and Ivans, even japs. One always comes to a mutual understanding. Only yanks ever were so often "YOU JUST HATE US!!111!!11" and not thinking a moment about where and why this criticism may come from, just the typical "you are envious of us!". So yeah, ammericans usually get more Flak in international forums.

Blutarski2004
07-17-2007, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
two remarks to this.

1. One problem with those kinda shows stem not from the fact that they are american based and thus feature mostly american involvements.

But the comments going along with them. For example "P51, worlds most famous fighter plane". To me it appears americans put the term "world" and "US" as an equal. Cuz outside the US the most famous crates would be the 109/spit combo in Europe and the Zeke in Asia. Nobody there cares much for a plane that got prominent only in the last 2 years of the war. Nobody blames americans for focussing on their own themes,as I said, but those kinda "claims" are what set ppl off all the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... I can appreciate what you're saying, but consider that such blurbs are probably being written by some 24 year old production assistant fresh out of college and lacking any sophisticated grasp of the subject matter.

Bewolf
07-17-2007, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
two remarks to this.

1. One problem with those kinda shows stem not from the fact that they are american based and thus feature mostly american involvements.

But the comments going along with them. For example "P51, worlds most famous fighter plane". To me it appears americans put the term "world" and "US" as an equal. Cuz outside the US the most famous crates would be the 109/spit combo in Europe and the Zeke in Asia. Nobody there cares much for a plane that got prominent only in the last 2 years of the war. Nobody blames americans for focussing on their own themes,as I said, but those kinda "claims" are what set ppl off all the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... I can appreciate what you're saying, but consider that such blurbs are probably being written by some 24 year old production assistant fresh out of college and lacking any sophisticated grasp of the subject matter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Noted. Still, the fact that a lot of americans feel insulted, or at least appear this way, and get passive agressive whenever such series get critizied for that, doesn't help the matter.

Blutarski2004
07-17-2007, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
Noted. Still, the fact that a lot of americans feel insulted, or at least appear this way, and get passive agressive whenever such series get critizied for that, doesn't help the matter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Fair enough. I can accept that.

I'm not sure that we Yanks are any more or less sensitive than other nationalities, but IMO it's a topic not really fruitful or useful to debate.

Bewolf
07-17-2007, 11:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
Noted. Still, the fact that a lot of americans feel insulted, or at least appear this way, and get passive agressive whenever such series get critizied for that, doesn't help the matter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Fair enough. I can accept that.

I'm not sure that we Yanks are any more or less sensitive than other nationalities, but IMO it's a topic not really fruitful or useful to debate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. I'll back down.

Sturmtrooper
07-17-2007, 07:25 PM
Okay,I love this program.
For the obvious reasons,of course.
I just have one observation:
Maybe I'm just spoiled on 1946 but it seems like a lot of the fly-by animation is way too fast.
I mean WAY TOO FAST !!!!!!
Like supersonic too fast.
Have any of you who have seen the show noticed this ?
It's probably due to the viewer's attention span,"Hollywood-ized" action scenes that everyone is used to,and the need to fit all of the program into a short little format(with commercials).
So,does anyone feel like the superb CG is a little off on the fly-by?

LStarosta
07-17-2007, 08:19 PM
http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2006/07/marvel_colbert_comic1.jpg
USA USA USA USA USA!!!

MrMojok
07-17-2007, 09:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sturmtrooper:
Okay,I love this program.
For the obvious reasons,of course.
I just have one observation:
Maybe I'm just spoiled on 1946 but it seems like a lot of the fly-by animation is way too fast.
I mean WAY TOO FAST !!!!!!
Like supersonic too fast.
Have any of you who have seen the show noticed this ?
It's probably due to the viewer's attention span,"Hollywood-ized" action scenes that everyone is used to,and the need to fit all of the program into a short little format(with commercials).
So,does anyone feel like the superb CG is a little off on the fly-by? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know, Sturmtrooper. Most of the flyby shots in the series are when there is a tailchase going on, when someone is in hot pursuit of another plane. So the speeds would be pretty high, and to me on the series the shots look very much like what you see in the f3 flyby view in-game when you are going really fast.

A plane streaking by a stationary viewer at ~420 mph is gonna be there and gone in a flash.

luftluuver
07-17-2007, 09:55 PM
Anyone think that maybe most of the shows are predominately about Americans is for propaganda purposes? Trying to drum up support for the war in Iraq which seems to be waining in the general public.

On the shows themselves, they need to get better researchers. One that comes to mind is the claim about shooting down a Col Tomb. There was no such person.

LStarosta
07-17-2007, 10:03 PM
Not after he was shot down by an amazing display of American Democracy.

MrMojok
07-17-2007, 10:11 PM
There are numerous little mistakes in the series. I remember LeBillfish being quite horrified at the errors in a Season 1 episode last year. I've spotted a few in rewatching some of last year's episodes as well.

But overall, I think it's great, and I will buy the season two dvd set when it comes out. I still wish they'd do a Marseilles or Sakai or Kozhedub episode, but I guess I've spoken my peace on the History Channel boards about that.

I missed the Kamikaze episode, maybe they bucked their trend with that one, I don't know.

luftluuver
07-17-2007, 10:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Not after he was shot down by an amazing display of American Democracy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>There was no such person in the first place, so a great display of, err, American Democracy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nguyen Van Coc was the top NVAF ace with 9.

Korolov1986
07-17-2007, 10:30 PM
There probably was a Col. Tomb, if you take into account poor/incorrect translation and intelligence.

But who said you had to be an ace to be a hot pilot...

luftluuver
07-17-2007, 10:51 PM
Since Cunningham lucked out and did not have his butt handed to him on a plater by the MiG17 pilot, he had to come up with some good story, hense this NVAF ace of aces.

Do you really that NV would not have used this ace of aces for propaganda purposes if he really did exist?

MrMojok
07-17-2007, 11:08 PM
Come on now, the Duke wouldn't lie!!!!


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

zardozid
07-17-2007, 11:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">ut overall, I think it's great, and I will buy the season two dvd set when it comes out. I still wish they'd do a Marseilles or Sakai or Kozhedub episode, but I guess I've spoken my peace on the History Channel boards about that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'd like to see a GŁnther Rall episode. I think he is still alive and he is part of "Dogfighting history".

luftluuver
07-17-2007, 11:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMojok:
Come on now, the Duke wouldn't lie!!!!
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh he shot down a Mig, be sure.

North Vietnamese sources name the pilot of Cunningham's 3rd Mig as Nguyen Hang, a good pilot but had made no claims.

MrMojok
07-17-2007, 11:39 PM
yeah Luft, I was making a juvenile reference to Cunningham's more recent escapades.

Doolittle81
07-17-2007, 11:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
Anyone think that maybe most of the shows are predominately about Americans is for propaganda purposes? Trying to drum up support for the war in Iraq which seems to be waining in the general public.
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are there any MODs on the sickly bones of this so-called forum?

leitmotiv
07-17-2007, 11:58 PM
The most recent episode on Operation Elbe was mostly a German show and certainly exhibited some startlingly excellent flying by the Germans and some incredible resolution under extreme pressure. I think the Germans can have maximum bragging rights after that show. How many pilots could precisely slice a B-24 right aft of the pilots' station from flying a parallel course, and manage a Monte Carlo shot by taking out yet another B-24? On top of all of this, he managed to bail out and live to tell the tale. My jaw was on the floor.

luftluuver
07-17-2007, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMojok:
yeah Luft, I was making a juvenile reference to Cunningham's more recent escapades. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes I knew you were but wanted to stay away from those. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What is you big problem doolittle? All kinds of movies were made during WW2 for propaganda purposes to drum up support/morale. Look a little further than beyond the end of your nose.