View Full Version : Any "disabled" people out there flying IL-2?

03-16-2007, 04:41 PM
Just curious. I was diagnosed with MS 3 years ago and my vision and coordination are definitely adversely impacted. While obviously not as good as I was before the onset of MS, I'm still having a blast with flight sims and am a mostly competent virtual pilot.

Chime in if ya want to with yer "experience".

03-16-2007, 05:03 PM
Sure. I am not stricken with MS, but I am a little banged up and I know a few m8s that are playing this sim with disabilities. One with MS that I know of. To be honest with you, this sim and this community along with my K9 Squadron m8s, have become an intregal part of my life these days. Not being physically able to have the quality of life that I had at one time, this little hobby of mine has filled in quite nicely over the last five years. It gives me a little something to look forward to everyday, even if it is just shootin the krud with a m8 or two on TS. I believe it is more of the human interaction & comraderie than it is actually flying in the virtual skies that I get the most enjoyment from.

03-16-2007, 05:18 PM

Was diagnosed with MS just before my 25th birthday, 11 years ago.

The first bout hospitalised me and invovlved incorrect diagnosis as a tumour.

However, 10 weeks later I was able to return to work.

Im still working full time, and enjoying life to the full.


03-16-2007, 05:27 PM
I think Brando lost an arm in a motorcycle accident... but he does alright... He should be here soon.

03-16-2007, 05:42 PM
Have a friend in the game biz, suffers from MS but you'd never know, Compared to that I'm happy with arthritis/sciatica and being bi-polar. You adapt, god willing.

03-16-2007, 09:38 PM
Rheumatoid arthritis myself but I do alright.

03-16-2007, 09:46 PM
Short sighted. Try not to complain though.

03-16-2007, 11:19 PM
L1 compression fracture, 2 bad discs, tendonitis in shoulders and arthritis in both hands and wrists. Just keep chuggin' along until my body won't let me work or play anymore.

03-17-2007, 01:53 AM
excuse my ignorance, what is to be bipolar?

just a lil story:

Ive been playing sims(on-line) since flanker 1.0 from 1995.

i use to fly with this guy who was an awseom pilot in guns only dog fighting.
One mistake i made while tangled with this guy and i was toast.
Thing is that years after playing with him i came to know.... the guy was legaly blind.
But he said he was sensitive to light and he could see what was going on on the monitor screen by getting really close to it.

turns out the guy is even a teacher for blind people being one him self. i wonder what ever
hapened to him, lost contact. by the way i was an exellent pilot my self being frequently on the top 10 on a competition ladder for that sim.

03-17-2007, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by papotex:
excuse my ignorance, what is to be bipolar?


03-17-2007, 08:08 AM
I have heart problems, and sometimes when I am flying this sim in online combat, I will get heart arythma from the excitement, maybe it will kill me someday and you will read about it in the papers!

03-17-2007, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by Dance:
Have a friend in the game biz, suffers from MS but you'd never know, Compared to that I'm happy with arthritis/sciatica and being bi-polar. You adapt, god willing.

A good friend of mine has MS, over the last few years it has got worse for him and he's recently quit work because of it. He flies flightsims occasionally but doesn't use these forums.

BTW I am Bi-polar too.

03-17-2007, 09:14 AM
I have a retina's genetic illness; I lost one eye, in the future (10 years) I wish for a solution... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

03-17-2007, 09:24 AM
If you can put up with the pink background while reading it, this letter (http://groups.msn.com/Billieshelppageforpainunderstanding/aletter.msnw) really sums up my feelings about the disability I live with. Read it to the end if you can. I have a great respect for the writer's honesty, courage and directness in making this statement which risks seeming like a massive whine to the uninitiated. I also think it mirrors the frustration felt by the majority of disabled people when it comes to dealing with the able. Yes, we do 'soldier on', primarily because we don't have a choice if we want to go on enjoying life, although it's often made embarrassingly awkward by having to deal with 'normal' people's ways of dealing with us.

I can't tell you how many times I have been given a strong pat on the back or shoulder as a gesture of support and encouragement. If I'm still able to speak I sometimes mention that the accident which removed my right arm also caused three major nerves to be pulled from my spinal cord in the cervical area, just about the exact landing-zone of a hearty pat on the back! But mostly, of course, I adhere to Setback's advice and "...Try not to complain...". I don't particularly care to embarrass people by pulling them up over something that was meant in a friendly way.

We all, whole or otherwise, find ways to get through - and flight-simming has really been a great asset in my own struggle. If 'disability' involves a loss of personal control over the body's functions which is reflected in how we approach living in the world then, for me, as a formerly athletic, highly-skilled manual worker, the loss of an arm came as a massive blow. If we see ourselves in what we do, then the inability 'to do' is the truly crippling factor.
While Buddhist teachings helped with being able to just be, the pull of doing had me restoring houses and building garden walls along with riding a couple of adapted motorcycle-outfits; I also worked as a County rep for a disabled bikers' charity. Nowadays I find myself forced to relinquish these pursuits as my nervous condition worsens and I rely on virtual combat flying as my principle means of proving myself (j/k). Strapping on a Mosca (or whatever) and getting airborne gives me a good feeling every time and helps me to while away the time.

Most recently I've been 're-inducted' into a pain clinic run by one of the UK's leading specialists. I am expecting to receive a cervical stimulator implant in a couple of months, and I have the option of undergoing a leading-edge technique known as deep-brain stimulation. My ability to give clear feedback is considered advantageous by the doctors and I'm keen to help other less-fortunate sufferers, so I guess I'll do it. How it will affect my ability to engage in simming is moot.


03-17-2007, 01:10 PM
Cool, thanks for the feedback all. Simming is an excellent distraction, disabled or not!

03-17-2007, 03:04 PM
can you consider yourself disabled if your autistic?

I'm asking since I've been diagnosed as having an autistic disorder last year.

03-17-2007, 03:48 PM
Quote "can you consider yourself disabled if your autistic?"

Difinitely, not an easy thing to live with.

Thanks for explaining Bi-Polar Madsarmy, I gave up trying years ago lol.

Inadaze, I empathise but guess like me you wouldn't swap it for MS.

PF, hope you have a bottle of nitro pills by the PC lol.

At the end of the day I don't think anyone here is a whiner, I might be whining if I was having to throw a real plane around the sky though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

03-17-2007, 05:38 PM
T12 & L2 compression burst fractures, with an incomplete spinal injury.

The ninth anniversary of my auto accident passed just over a week ago. In those nine years, I was quickly able to "graduate" from a wheelchair, to a walker, to AFO [ankle] braces and a cane, to just braces, to no braces, and back to just one brace again most of the time.

Nowadays, my upper legs are maybe 70% of normal strength, while below my knees are just beyond the strength to overcome gravity. I struggle daily with temperature regulation in my legs, which affects my whole body; I swing from chills to sweating and back all day long, every day. The decreased sensation and blood flow in my rump makes sitting for long periods problematic, while the decreased strength in my legs (and insufficient joint support) prevents me from standing or being on my feet for long periods also. I have limited sensation below my knees, which actually isn't all that much of a hindrance.

I've been extremely fortunate to get back so much control of my legs. I can walk well enough (despite the constant staring of others), although running, jumping, and even standing in place are out of the question. I have re-learned to drive a manual transmission car using my upper leg muscles, and I've learned to ride a motorcycle again as well, two of my most beloved activities both before the accident, and especially after, because they give me a feeling of unhindered mobility relative to others. All and all, I'm quite lucky to be able to do what I can do.

As an aside, I just hate the terms "handicapped" and especially "physically challenged." Don't worry, topic starter, I don't mind "disabled" that much. However, the former two seem to me as "nicey-nice" ways to call something that isn't nice at all, and it seems to me a P.C. attempt to categorize and downplay one's condition, or group him in with others of "less than normal" status. I actually prefer the term "crippled", although it makes others uncomfortable, and I would never use it to describe someone I don't know, out of respect for them and their condition, which may be worse than mine. [/Soapbox]

03-17-2007, 06:50 PM
I'm suprised that in a topic about "disabled" people, this man has not been mentioned yet.

03-18-2007, 06:34 AM
I'm another "disabled" flier. I suffer from right hemiparesis, which means I have very little movement in my right arm and right leg. I've had this since birth so I haven't known anything different which I consider a blessing.
And like Greenhorn I hate the terms "handicapped" and "physically challenged" aswell.

03-18-2007, 01:15 PM
I guess I should feel "lucky", most of you may have missed I posted here about fracturing my left radial (wrist) and getting a little titanium plate and screws on Feb. 16th. Well I can type and do stuff with both hands now...and the cast comes of the 26th. Actually what bothered me most (I came down on both arms off my bike) is my right arm was also injured and as it had to do everything I got tendonitis and was so stiff this week had to go back and get anti-inflammatories and do ice pack and a gel thing. I am feeling better and the right arm feels stronger now...and the left is also feeling better. I realise I may not fly for a few weeks yet...but am fortunate that this is nothing as "permanent" as what others are putting up with and I've learned some valuable lessons.

A salute and God bless to all of you who have posted here.

03-18-2007, 09:15 PM
Deaf myself... Don't speak at all... Use sign language, yeah, I'm a freak... LOL... Nah, actually I teach American Sign Language for living at a university.

Love the sim! I'm a pilot and skydiver in real life as well so I'm not letting anything stop me.

Don't believe me? Oh, I don't blame you, here, check those out...

www.deafpilots.org (http://www.deafpilots.org)

www.deafskydivers.org (http://www.deafskydivers.org)

We're all in the same boat, even people with no disabilities. Everybody has something that they are not good at, hence they are handicapped in one way or another.

03-18-2007, 10:01 PM
I know of one simmer in here who has a few disabling ailments. Nice guy and everyone knows him. He wants his identity hidden and I respect that. In a PT discussion he said that IL-2 saved him from a 9mm.

I wonder if Oleg has ever pondered the indirect effects of his work.

03-19-2007, 06:44 AM
Another severe 'disablo' here.

A 9mm would have been ok some years ago, but I have a family now, and I anyway thought that mocking the gods by enduring a lifetime in my condition, and with a mad grin, is more my style, and much more annoying. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

I just had to re-arange some philophosies :
"why do it the hard way when you can do it the easy way" to 'why do it the easy way when you can do it the hard way".

"If u can't do what u wan't, u have to wan't what u can."

That sort of thing.

Perhaps we should put together a 'Disablo' squad?

I can see before me a situation where someone in the 'disablo'- formation asks where they're heading, and the leader replies "I have no clue. I'm blind on one eye and the other is of glass." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It would be unique in flightsim history.

03-19-2007, 08:21 AM
Ha ha ha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You know, there's something I hadn't considered before BillyTheKid joined our ranks.

One thing that really annoys me is joining a server and having others rudely demand I use teamspeak. I don't use it cause I can't comprehend the noise. I have a problem distinguishing sounds when there is more than one. I wonder if Billy's ever experienced rude simmer demanding he use teamspeak.

BTW, strangly, in class I can monitor 10 conversations at the same time and pick up any grammar or mispronunciation mistakes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

03-19-2007, 08:37 AM
I'm another one one of the "disabled".

I was born without my left arm. I have only to about 15cm's past the elbow of it.

Altho, I don't consider myself disabled at all, and people around me rarely even notice it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

03-19-2007, 10:52 AM
Well I am an Adult who has had ADHD all my life and never had it treated. I learned to use it to my advantage and it gets me thru okay(I try to find stuff to "focus" on to keep myself "sane" I have recently become ill with something in my Lower GI that have been waiting to have treated now for 2 months. My stress levels(and Im sure my blood pressure) have recently put me in a position where I am no longer in control of it, it has become rather scary to me TBH.

I will say I became an very big online gamer because I almost broke my neck about 5 yrs ago now(Slipped my C4) and in fact is the reason I am where I am today(Norway) as I met my Wife playing another Ubi Game(Ghost Recon)

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2282/myray2sj8.png (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myray2sj8.png)

03-20-2007, 10:07 AM
I just saw this thread. I have rheumatoid and osteroarthritis. I also suffer from a neurological disorder (caused by an "impact to the head") which affects my vision and having virtually no feeling in my hands or legs accompanied by tremors and blackouts but the meds I am taking are helping somewhat. Some days are better for me than others. The government is slowly starting to step up to the plate and taking care of me. After all, when you send soldiers away, some of them are going to come home hurt really badly.

03-20-2007, 01:47 PM
I just hope I dont fly near any magnet factories soon, if nuts and bolts are what it takes to fuse your spine lol.

What was that suggestion about an invalid squad?

I vote for 'Flight Zimmers 911'

03-20-2007, 02:03 PM
Lacking a heart, brain and courage only so doing well.....Kudo's to those who fly having to make an additional effort http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

03-20-2007, 02:06 PM

A big S! from me to you guys too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

03-20-2007, 04:53 PM
I'm partly disabled, I can still get around some what...

I have osteoporosis, a bone disease, that I shouldn't have at my age. I break bones real easy, broke a rib just bending over to pick something up (3rd time I've broke ribs), and fractured my spine from a simple fall. My back is all messed up (compressing), can't stand for more than 15 mins and have a lot of probs getting up from sitting down. I'm in almost constant pain. I also have a lot of undiagnosed muscle and joint pains, and constant fatigue.

Cause? Vaccines received in the first Gulf War (Gulf War Illness).

We should have a weekly group meeting, simming with disabilities... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

03-20-2007, 06:31 PM
In honour of the late Ian Dury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Dury) I'd like to see a squad called "The Raspberry Ripples" - a piece of Cockney rhyming-slang he often used. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"...One thing that really annoys me is joining a server and having others rudely demand I use teamspeak..."

He he. Back before teamspeak or IL2 I was flying Dawn of Aces online. One of the aircraft was a rather nifty model of a Zeppelin which had a damage-model that was fairly strange. It took a concentrated stream of fire all aimed into one quadrant of the tail aspect, sometimes as many as a hundred rounds.
Anyway, I've climbed up and put as many rounds into it as I can; taken a few hits from the robo-gunners, and I'm sideslipping down and trying to avoid the enemy fighters that are hanging around when this guy starts typing at me, asking to know which quadrant I had been hitting. I'm in no position to let go of the stick without losing control so I carry on...and this clown starts to go ballistic on me.
In the couple of minutes it took me to land safely this guy really ripped into me on the public text-box. My parentage, my sexual orientation, the size of my parts, all the usual rubbishy school-yard stuff came spilling out of this guy in front of everyone. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif He never stopped until member of my squad spoke up.

The joke was that this was no 12 year-old who just learned how to swear - the guy was a Detroit cop! Scary!


03-21-2007, 03:08 AM
It takes all kinds Brando, I have always enjoyed flying with you and have been aware of your situation and have always admired you for your ingenuity to be able to make it work for you and work well.
Im just enamoured that there are so many here that are "in the same boat" and we can all be here as a community and well, be just like everyone else when it comes to the Virtual Skies, It shows a testament to our strength and will.


03-21-2007, 04:48 AM
This reminds me of why I can never be too rude about Microsofts CFS. As following cancer surgery 8 or so years ago, and the period of chemo that followed, shooting down 109s really helped work out the fustrations.

03-21-2007, 04:57 AM
Have a mild to severe speech impediment/stammer
and chronic epididimitus ( dont wish that on any of you !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif )
The first one is a reason for me not to use teamspeak!! In the heat of things would be shot down in flames before the warning left my mouth!!
Good to find more about the community and the different and varied lives we all live.


03-21-2007, 06:17 AM

Yes, thanks m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I enjoy flying with you too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif



03-21-2007, 07:41 AM
I'm OK from the neck up !
But that's slowly changing as I pass over the big 65...

Had a bad neck injury in 1975 in a Motocross accident. Took a year to start back to work, increasing by one hour every 2 weeks until back to full time. Pharmacist. Have been an ambulatory quadraplegic ever since. My right side slightly more functional than left, and I can tell where my right hand is without looking at it. Skin surface is numb from shoulders down, deep pressure sensation is OK. i.e.(I can feel the floor) NOTHING can move quickly, if I lose balance, I go down, two years ago I did, bably and broke a shoulder. I can't release a frisbie, it falls at my feet and the grandkids laugh. Life is good. Finally had to have neck surgery in 2002 (5 cervical laminectomies), and gave up working at that time, I was close enough to 65! Since then I cannot concentrate intensly (fly IL2) for more than an hour or so at a time, then neck starts cramping up. My left hand/arm almost useless now, really needed for keyboard use in IL2. If I could find space on that desk I'd try adding my gameport CH Pro Throttle I have. I have the USB Fighterstick, can I use both at the same time? Anyway, I'm happy I can still type, allbeit at the hunt & peck pace (well really peck only, as I know where all the keys are, I was a state typing finalist in HS at 130 wpm) .

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-21-2007, 07:46 AM
I had my right arm severed when I was 15. It was reattached albeit with limited feeling and movement. As result, I'm no longer fully ambidextrous (fully southpaw) and most people don't notice unless I tell them.

I too was helped immensely by incorporating some Buddhist outlooks and teachings to help me 'move on'.

Life is what it is, but what we make of it is what truly matters.


03-21-2007, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by RxMan:
Had a bad neck injury in 1975 in a Motocross accident... I don't mean to hijack this thread, but as a bit of a motorcycle history buff, I would very much like to hear about your MX days some time, if you are willing to talk about it.

I recognize the years leading up to '75 as the start of the long travel revolution--what would have been a very exciting time in MX. I'm too young to have lived it (my mother graduated high school in '75), but I like to hear about what it was like.

03-21-2007, 01:43 PM
~S~ to all!

Well, reading at all the posts, I'm 100% qualified to be part of the club....

Using a cane to aid me walking. In 1985 I was shot in the right foot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif. I can predict when the weather will change better than the Meteorological Service.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

And right few days ago, had to start using glasses for close sighting (reading, writing, typing).

I'm already the CO of a Virtual Group, and if we looks at all the members (all moderately insane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ), well, the outfit can easily be chosen for all "not 100% able" Gals and Guys here. So if you feel that joining up can be a nice idea, be welcome! LOL