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Capt._Tenneal
04-01-2004, 02:53 PM
Just going through memory on major land and sea battles of the Pacific, 16 combat zones is pretty comprehensive :

Pearl, Java, New Guinea, Midway, Aleutians, Guadalcanal, Leyte, Bougainville, Tarawa, Kwajalein, Saipan, Marianas, Palau, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, mainland Japan, Singapore (Malaya), Burma, Formosa.

That's 19 areas. Even removing three, that's a busy list.

Any areas I missed ? Which ones might not make the cut ?

Capt._Tenneal
04-01-2004, 02:53 PM
Just going through memory on major land and sea battles of the Pacific, 16 combat zones is pretty comprehensive :

Pearl, Java, New Guinea, Midway, Aleutians, Guadalcanal, Leyte, Bougainville, Tarawa, Kwajalein, Saipan, Marianas, Palau, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, mainland Japan, Singapore (Malaya), Burma, Formosa.

That's 19 areas. Even removing three, that's a busy list.

Any areas I missed ? Which ones might not make the cut ?

Vortex_uk
04-01-2004, 03:01 PM
think you missed the Philipines?

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luthier1
04-01-2004, 03:04 PM
You've missed quite a few important battle areas, in additon to the Philipinnes - Wake Island, Peleliu, Coral Sea, quite a few others.

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chris455
04-01-2004, 04:03 PM
You could make a whole sim out of the Solomons if you wanted to- But I hope they include all the other places as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Capt._Tenneal
04-01-2004, 05:55 PM
Leyte is in the Philippines (I'm stupid if I didn't know that, being of Filipino descent) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I was thinking that's where all the big carrier action took place, so that might be the one area that represented the Philippines, unless Bataan and Corregidor will be included.

Wake Island, Peleliu -- those I misssed, thank you for adding them.

Coral Sea I would consider part of the New Guinea area, since it was in support of that campaign that the battle was fought.

Good suggestions, thanks.

Jericho01
04-01-2004, 06:05 PM
Would Darwin be included with coaral sea or new guinea maps just wondering ?

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The12342sainT
04-01-2004, 07:53 PM
It would be nice to be able to fly to most targets within a theater. If a plane is stationed in the Solomons, it could make if to Kahili and beyond.

Lt.Davis
04-01-2004, 08:11 PM
Batam

"Biar berputih tulang, jangan berputih mata"
Translated:
"Let the whites of your bones, but do not show the whites of your eyes"

Capt_Harlock
04-01-2004, 09:12 PM
Luthier: will japan mainland be included? It's quite some years (after the crappy CFS2) that i'm looking forward to a sim that included the last stand of the remaining japanese faighters against the powerful B29 raids.
The desperate fight against time and physics to reach the superfortresses' cruising altitude into the black night would be quite challenging and exciting for me

luthier1
04-01-2004, 09:25 PM
The whole Japan is too much to be on a single map unfortunately. We'll definitely have South Japan, and we'll also try to do the rest as a separate map if we have the time.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

Lifetaker999
04-01-2004, 10:10 PM
Man Luthier you guys deserve alot of respect for how you are handling this whole thing. Keep up the good work and it will payoff well in the end. ~S~

Capt._Tenneal
04-01-2004, 11:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The whole Japan is too much to be on a single map unfortunately. We'll definitely have South Japan, and we'll also try to do the rest as a separate map if we have the time.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please do. When I listed mainland Japan in the opening post, I did not mean the entire nation, but a part of it will be fine (kind of like the Berlin map in FB/AEP to represent Germany proper). Cool, that means we might get the strategic bombing campaign against Japan...
XXth Air Force...
Curtis LeMay's bombers...
and the desperate, but gallant Japanese defenders. (I'm keeping my fingers crossed) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Capt_Harlock
04-02-2004, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The whole Japan is too much to be on a single map unfortunately. We'll definitely have South Japan, and we'll also try to do the rest as a separate map if we have the time.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From today on I officially love you Luthier, lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
04-02-2004, 12:20 PM
China do never forget China and Burma...

Sensei

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P-DEX
04-02-2004, 02:08 PM
"We'll definitely have South Japan, and we'll also try to do the rest as a separate map if we have the time."


Aw, dude thats sweet.

Put some of Genda's "Squadron of Experts" (flying George's) and JAAF Franks in there and we'll have the makings of a Defense of Japan campaign.

04-02-2004, 02:58 PM
I think perhaps Luthier that NEW GUINEA, is a vital must have map for Pacific fighters.

Not only was it a front line Area, some major Battles took place in the Area.

The Aircraft Carrier Battle of the Coral Sea, was the first Moral Victory to the Allies in the Pacific, even if it ended up being a Tactical Victory for the Japanese, ( they continued to spread into the Solomon islands instead of the seabourne invasion of Port Moresby)

Also the New Guinea Campaign dragged on for nearly 2 years, and involved many kinds of Allied Aircraft already in FB like, the P-40E, the P39N1, the P38s! the B25s B-17s, land based Dauntless dive bombers PBY Black Cats, both Japanese Zeros, Betty Bombers Japanese Dive Bombers that where land based instead of Carrier Based.
Even P-47s served in the Area.

The Scope for Historic Missions around a New Guinea map is substantial.
Battle of the Coral Sea
Battle of the Bismarck Sea
Battle for Milne Bay

Then there is the Air War over New Guinea involving many types of Land Based Aircraft already in FB plus Carrier Planes that where land based as well as the Carrier Battles.

No less than the Tainan Wing along with Saburo Sakai based at Lae in New Guinea in this front line area.
You get the Best of Both Worlds in a Pacific Sim with a New Guinea map, you get the Sea Battles Off shore and an entire Land Based Campaign.

Cheers

luthier1
04-02-2004, 03:14 PM
The whole of New Guinea is waay too large to be a single map, but we'll definitely have areas of it modeled.

Be sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

The12342sainT
04-08-2004, 04:27 PM
Don't forget (parts of)China! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Much activity here early in the war.

I'm currently writing several dynamic campaigns for the pacific theatre. Land based Corsair, P-38 and Wildcat. Carrier Corsair and China
P-40's.

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~ Benjamin Franklin

LEXX_Luthor
04-08-2004, 04:30 PM
And a China map too

or...a map of China http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Giganoni
04-08-2004, 05:43 PM
You say south Japan? Ooo..so maybe parts of Southern Kyushu? As in I can recreate the daring low level attack by Judy dive bombers that crippled the USS Franklin?

DONB3397
04-08-2004, 09:13 PM
When suggesting Guadalcanal, are we talking about "the slot," the Solomons north through Rabaul. Too large? Ok. Bouganville was a heavy action area for both the Navy and USAAF.

It's going to be fun speculating for the next few months.

This seems to me an intelligent way to design a sim: let your core users help you select or modify features where practical, and provide honest answers concerning the over-the-top wishes. Kudos!

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Archer_F4U
04-08-2004, 11:12 PM
I'm interested in how much of the Solomons will be available too. Will it be just around Guadalcanal/Tulgai? Or will we be able to fly from Henderson/Russell Islands/Barakoma (Vella Lavella) to Bougainville (Killing Yamamoto, air cover for the Empress Augusta Bay landings, attacking the airfields on/around Bougainville)? How about from the Piva airfields and Torokina on Bougainville to strike Rabaul?

luthier1
04-08-2004, 11:29 PM
It would have been absolutely perfect to have a map about 800 x 400 miles square covering Guadalcanal to Rabaul to Port Moresby. However with IL-2 type maps a map that size would have to have no elevation and not a single building anywhere on it to be barely playable on a recommended spec machine.

So unfortunately we'll have to do with bits and pieces.

We are however discussing some options that might potentially allow inter-map missions. Don't start a riot just yet though please. If we determine internally that this is feasible, then I'll most likely start a poll, give you guys the options we're looking at and let you choose the one that appeals to you the most.

Please remember that I said "might potentially" and not "will definitely" on this. I would certainly love to be able to fly Guadalcanal to Rabaul and all of that, but if it ends up being impossible to do then unfortunately we're going to be left with distances of no more than 300-350 miles in a single mission.

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

necrobaron
04-09-2004, 03:08 AM
Hmmm,sounds interesting. I hope you all can pull that off. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

SJG1_Therr
04-09-2004, 04:24 AM
300 miles.... it is about 540 km size map... it is goodhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
if we take off from a carrier and will fly 200 km to our target we wil have time only for one attack and back home http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
and I think our enemies will have time to find us during a flight over the sea but we can avoid them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)))) I think.. we can http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
perfect Luthierhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif keep goinghttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fly or die !!!!!

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zuiho
04-14-2004, 07:52 AM
The Kido Butai raids to Port Darwins and Indian Ocean will be included? They aren' t very important for the war' s course but they are a dream for all the kido butai maniacs! To set a bomb with a 'Val' on the bridge of HMS Hermes, HMS Cornwall or HMS Dorsetshire will be simply fantastic. Thanks for an answer.

michaelbjork
04-14-2004, 10:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "Biar berputih tulang, jangan berputih mata"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Lt.Davis! That thing you said.. thats Malayan isnt it?

Ankanor
04-15-2004, 04:59 AM
Starting from the beginning:

Pearl Harbor
Wake
New Guinea
Coral Sea
Midway
Guadalcanal
the sea East of the Solomons
Rabaul
Marianas
Leyte Gulf
Southern Japan
Bougenville
China Map

You got 3 more to choose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

O, how I want to hold you,
To feel your breath
And hear your laughter in my ears.
To look into your eyes
And see myself in there.
Caress you with my lips.
To hold your hands in mine
And find the hidden smile in your dimple
That makes you irresistible
And stops the breathing in my chest.
To be with you when you are weeping,
To wipe away the tears and take away the sorrow.
To watch you while you are sleeping
Like there is no tomorrow.

And with a tender kiss to wake you up.

Essen,23.02.2004 20:53

zoomar2
04-16-2004, 05:26 PM
I'm glad the focus is on small maps. I personally do not relish the thought of sitting in front of my computer for hours at a t8ime watching ocean go by!!!

The12342sainT
04-20-2004, 02:45 PM
It depends on the objective...I think it will be good to have a variety of map(sizes). For quick combat and regional dogfights, I agree, small maps are best. For bombing missions and online co-ops,larger maps will add a lot of depth to the simulation.

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Petey78
04-21-2004, 03:24 AM
Personally, being a Brit I'd just love to see a Burma map more than anything else, I know that the title is 'Pacific Fighters' and NOT 'Forgotten Pacific Battles' but I'd love to go bridge busting in the jungle with a Hurricane and it's certainly an area that has been terribly neglected in both official recognition and in Flight Sims yet was one of the bloodiest most fascinating conflicts in WW2.

Jeronimo83
04-21-2004, 03:33 AM
Luthier, will Java be modelled? Hope you'll reply...

LEXX_Luthor
04-21-2004, 03:43 AM
Luthier1:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>300-350 miles in a single mission.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's BIG for an "FB" map.

That makes me ~very~ Happy http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/ylflower.gif

Latico
04-21-2004, 11:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ankanor:
Starting from the beginning:

Pearl Harbor
Wake
New Guinea
Coral Sea
Midway
Guadalcanal
the sea East of the Solomons
Rabaul
Marianas
Leyte Gulf
Southern Japan
Bougenville
China Map

You got 3 more to choose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

O, how I want to hold you,
To feel your breath
And hear your laughter in my ears.
To look into your eyes
And see myself in there.
Caress you with my lips.
To hold your hands in mine
And find the hidden smile in your dimple
That makes you irresistible
And stops the breathing in my chest.
To be with you when you are weeping,
To wipe away the tears and take away the sorrow.
To watch you while you are sleeping
Like there is no tomorrow.

And with a tender kiss to wake you up.

Essen,23.02.2004 20:53
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I might suggest breaking the Phillipines up in to 3 parts. North, Central, and Southern. I'm puzzled by the fact that we Americans seem to all remember the attack on Pearl Harbor, but don't seem to realize that on that same "day of infamy" the IJM also assaulted Luzon, where Gen McArthur was stationed.

DONB3397
04-22-2004, 12:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Latico:
I might suggest breaking the Phillipines up in to 3 parts. North, Central, and Southern. I'm puzzled by the fact that we Americans seem to all remember the attack on Pearl Harbor, but don't seem to realize that on that same "day of infamy" the IJM also assaulted Luzon, where Gen McArthur was stationed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Didn't the release state Singapore, which would include southern Malaysia and parts east? I suspect we'll have a Prince-of-Wales look alike to defend or bomb.

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A being breathing thoughtful breath,/A Traveller between life and death."
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The12342sainT
04-22-2004, 10:46 AM
I'm for Burma.

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~ Benjamin Franklin

Capt._Tenneal
04-22-2004, 11:01 AM
Even breaking the Philippines into three zones, you would end up with big maps. Maybe just breaking it up into the areas that saw heavy fighting : Bataan & Corregidor, maybe Lingayen Gulf (for early war), Leyte Gulf and Leyte island (for 1944 action), etc.