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WTE_Snowhawk
12-19-2004, 01:36 AM
I've always been a hard core allies player, from migs to spitties to good ol' U.S. Lightnings and Hellcats, but for the first time last week, I took up a Japanese plane online. It was amazing! I was turning inside everyone and even caught up to this dude who tried to out climb me in a corsair! I think I might switch from american planes to Japanese ones!


From crazyivan: I am not sure if you doing this on purpose or you just dont get it... last time i am correcting: It`s japanese and american - next time i`ll lock it.

Fehler
12-19-2004, 01:42 AM
Being a dedicated axis flyer, it was sort of hard to get used to planes that could actually turn! It's kind of neat!

But they dont have the speed to dictate when and where you want to fight. In that respect, the allied (US planes) beat them hands down.

WTE_Phantom
12-19-2004, 02:08 AM
Come over to the dark sidehttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890963/PhantomSignature3.JPG

F19_Orheim
12-19-2004, 02:21 AM
Flying for both sides (depending on how the status is on the server I join) with really no preference, I'd say axis and allies planes in PF are equally good depending on HOW you fly them. In a Japanese fighter you of course have to take advantage of the turnrate and in an Allies fighter the speed of course. It's all about using the plane's good characteristics.

Speed is however an "easier" advantage, you can most of the time dictate when or where the dogfight will take place.

Beeing a certified Cr@pplaneflyer I tend to look for the Val - but not sure wheather to call it a Cr@pplane or not yet, it is actually quite leathal in a correct planesetting.

SUPERAEREO
12-19-2004, 06:03 AM
True that if you are in a Wildcat and have lots of Zeroes around the best thing you can do is to leg it by diving away (given enough altitude, that is). I gguess in real life USN pilots relied a lot on their better voice comms and teamwork, but alas we all mostly fly on our own in DF rooms...

S!

p1ngu666
12-19-2004, 07:30 AM
climb...

ki43 1c and zero 5b are the best http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

both have great climb, at low speed u will outclimb a dora...

IJA/N can compete now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
12-19-2004, 09:09 AM
Yeah...Zero A6M5b is a rocket. Good handling, good firepower, and its very fast for a Zero.

LStarosta
12-19-2004, 09:43 AM
I agree. May sound corny, but the D3A1 Val is my favorite plane. VERY agreeable flight characteristics especially at very low speeds (130 kmh and slower), and it can land and take off from ANYWHERE. Obviously, for combat, the Val isn't my first choice, but for flying for pleasure and "bush flying" it's an excellent aircraft.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Beeing a certified Cr@pplaneflyer I tend to look for the Val - but not sure wheather to call it a Cr@pplane or not yet, it is actually quite leathal in a correct planesetting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I find that many of your so called cr@p planes are lethal in the right hands.

JR_Greenhorn
12-19-2004, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
I find that many of your so called cr@p planes are lethal in the right hands. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Please realize that the moniker "cr@p planes" isn't used in a negative connotation.

Anyone you see here talking about "cr@p planes" is a fan of those planes, and prefers them to later war high performance planes.

F19_Orheim
12-19-2004, 10:44 AM
Indeed Greenhorn, I concur. I think my squadron mate F19_Ob described the refinement of Cr@pplanes(ā"ž¢http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) quite eloquently in this thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=7781044352

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
It is possible to shoot the ubers down but it will take some effort and time, thinking too.
Imagine yourself strutting around in a late heavy stuka and suddenly U find a furball in your flightpath. U could try to avoid and fly around it but that'd take all day. So...Instead U get rid of that heavy bomb and join the merry goaround. Those spits and P40's chasing messer-buddies have no clue that this stuka has two 20mm cannons and become very surprised when their wings detach and oil splatters the screen.
When onself moments later hang in the chute, its very amusing If one can count 3 allied fighters shot down, and even more amusing to know that my opponents are kicking themselves for letting a cr@p-stuka be their doom.
That is what old cr@p can do if the conditions are right.

The challenge for every dedicated cr@pflyers is that he knows he is on the disadvantage but he is gona win anyway.
Even if one only succeed to escape from from a opponent that can outspeed, outclimb, outturn, outroll and outgun U it is a victory.
So every time I manage to shoot down or escape 109's in a heavy 2 seat il-2, that will make up for all the times I get shot down, especially if the opposit teams advantage in numbers were overwhelming.
Thats why.......
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thefarb2
12-19-2004, 10:49 AM
I tried going against zero's in offline quick mission, tried every us plane, had no luck, they always fly straight at me and they are hard to hit.

LStarosta
12-19-2004, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
I find that many of your so called cr@p planes are lethal in the right hands. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Please realize that the moniker "cr@p planes" isn't used in a negative connotation.

Anyone you see here talking about "cr@p planes" is a fan of those planes, and prefers them to later war high performance planes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You fail to realize that when he says:

"not sure wheather to call it a Cr@pplane or not yet, it is actually quite leathal in a correct planesetting."

it seems to imply that cr@p planes are not supposed to be lethal.

Or maybe I'm just taking you too literally. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
12-19-2004, 11:12 AM
Hi,

They're not so good IMO for the reasons that Fehler gave.

The only Japanese plane I fear is the Ki84 and that's because it's fast. I just finished a co-op after amassing 1100 points against Zeros (in a 1945 Corsair...if only the 190 cannons were as good).

Unless you can get someone to commit to a turnfight or to slow down, you're a dead man. Fly against them like you're in a 190 and you should have no problems. (except ki84)

Cheers,
Norris

F19_Orheim
12-19-2004, 11:17 AM
Both of you are right...

I don't say "Cr@pplaneā"ž¢" with a negative connotation. I say it with affection http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also I do not regard a Cr@pplaneā"ž¢ as leathal in itself - they CAN be in the right hands.

Then again I don't see Greenhorn refer to them as "leathal" as he also states: "Anyone you see here talking about "cr@p planes" is a fan of those planes, and prefers them to later war high performance planes..." thus a Cr@pplane should be LOW performance planeshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


ERGO: We love slow peashooting wrecks that hardly stay together because it is a challenge to down high performance advisaries.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

PS: sorry for hi-jacking the thread, it's supposed to be about Japanese Planes, not Cr@pplanesā"ž¢. There is no immediate connection between these two http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PS: Hope I am not upsetting anyone for using the ā"ž¢-symbol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BuzzU
12-19-2004, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Snowhawk:
I've always been a hard core allies player, from migs to spitties to good ol' U.S. Lightnings and Hellcats, but for the first time last week, I took up a Jap plane online. It was amazing! I was turning inside everyone and even caught up to this dude who tried to out climb me in a corsair! I think I might switch from yank planes to Jap ones! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good deal. We need more targets.

FatBoyHK
12-19-2004, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thefarb2:
I tried going against zero's in offline quick mission, tried every us plane, had no luck, they always fly straight at me and they are hard to hit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

don't just run away and turn back later, try going vertical.... try BnZ them.... and you will see they can't even touch you.

of course, it is a differenct story online.... TnB is always easier than BnZ and E fight. In a fight between two real noobs, The noob on a zero will always kill the noob on a hellcat, no doubt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
12-19-2004, 12:10 PM
5b canbe surprising http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

the val is a great vulcher, and turns really well...
ive gunned down p51s just off the ground, and its great when that prop stops http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

even with bombs, u can outturn fighters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

be great to have later versions of val, faster and sleaker http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

flyin a val, is something u gotta do atleast once http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

PBNA-Boosher
12-19-2004, 02:01 PM
My fav. Japanese planes are the:

Ki-61
Ki-43

They're incredible planes. The Ki-61 especially. I tend to need that armor, and the Ki-61 has it for me, it's also got a good armament.

However, overall I prefer:
P-40's
Yak-1b
P-38L
B-25
A-20
FM-2

Loki-PF
12-19-2004, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
True that if you are in a Wildcat and have lots of Zeroes around the best thing you can do is to leg it by diving away (given enough altitude, that is). I gguess in real life USN pilots relied a lot on their better voice comms and teamwork, but alas we all mostly fly on our own in DF rooms...

S! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Superaero,

Not trying to flame or disrespect but I'm guessing that you havent actually tried diving away from a zero in a wildcat in the game yet? (from any altitude)

WUAF_Badsight
12-19-2004, 10:42 PM
we have had japanese planes for over 10 months , & you just get around to trying them now ?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Snowhawk:
I've always been a hard core allies player, from migs to spitties to good ol' U.S. Lightnings and Hellcats, but for the first time last week, I took up a Japanese plane online. It was amazing! I was turning inside everyone and even caught up to this dude who tried to out climb me in a corsair! I think I might switch from american planes to Japanese ones!. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

gombal40
12-20-2004, 01:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
Both of you are right...

I don't say "Cr@pplaneā"ž¢" with a negative connotation. I say it with affection http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also I do not regard a Cr@pplaneā"ž¢ as leathal in itself - they CAN be in the right hands.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

F19_Orheim
12-20-2004, 01:44 AM
or the size of the Cr@p from the dog http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WTE_Ibis
12-20-2004, 02:19 AM
I'll cover your six here Snowhawk,

Badsight,he was hav'n too much fun shooten
me down to try em. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif