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Seirrah
10-13-2004, 11:59 AM
Hi all

I just have a couple of questions to get up to speed with the series and the forthcoming release.

1) why is PF not part of the IL-2 series? Is it due to it being a totally different theatre or is the engine/code/graphics altered in such a way that it should be classed seperately.
Some guys speak of PF as an add-on for FB, so I guess they are actually pretty similar, yeh ?

2) Apart from the MP now allowing 128 players what new features are you looking forward to?


Thanks

Seirrah

steve_v
10-13-2004, 12:05 PM
The following link explains how PF can be installed as a stand alone or a part of FB.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=913105955&r=913105955#913105955

I just looking forward to getting it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tater-SW-
10-13-2004, 12:05 PM
PF can be played as a stand-alone, or it can be added on top of FB/AEP in which case you get to use all the planes/maps from FB/AEP as well as all the new PF features. Basically playing FB/AEP through the "improved" version that is PF with its added features.

tater

plumps_
10-13-2004, 12:06 PM
Maybe the Readme will answer your question:

(Lazy copy & paste post)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If your computer has two or more CD or DVD drives, do not attempt to install the sim from both at the same time. Installation can only be performed by inserting both disks into the same disk drive one after another.


Installing PF is easy, as long as you pay attention to there being two different install types. Please make sure to select the correct one, and then follow the on-screen instructions. The two options you have are as follows:

1. Install PF as a stand-alone product
2. Install PF into IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles (FB) with the Ace Expansion Pack (AEP).

The first option will give you the set of aircraft, ships, maps, campaigns and all other game components that only belong in the Pacific theater of operations.

The second option will only work if you already own Il-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles(FB) and the Ace Expansion Pack (AEP), which include a large set of Russian and European front content. This option will join the complete series of IL-2 Sturmovik line of flight simulators into one product, where you€ll be able to access to both IL-2 and PF content, and allow such things as Soviet and Luftwaffe planes over the Pacific, or Japanese bombers over Europe.

The second install option also includes several additions and fixes to FB and AEP.

You will also be able to play on the Internet with the large set of aircraft and maps that are included with our sims.

Finally, using our Full Mission Builder, you will be able to create online and offline single missions, and offline campaigns for the historical ETO using Allied planes new in Pacific Fighters, which had not been previously available in FB and AEP.



NOTE: PF standalone and PF+FB+AEP are NOT compatible online! Users of stand-alone Pacific Fighters do not have any European Front content installed on their machines, and thus cannot participate in online games started by PF+FB+AEP users as it may contain aircraft and other features that doesn€t exist on their machines. Vice versa, PF+FB+AEP users will not be able to join games started by PF standalone users.


WARNING: With the combined install option, some previous content may be overwritten, such as interface backgrounds, music, speech, missions and campaigns, etc. If you are using any custom-made content such as music, paintschemes, pilots and others, and back them up somewhere else on your hard drive. Then after installing Pacific Fighters check if any of your custom content was overwritten by standard PF content, and replace any features that you wish to have back.


Finally, there€s a third install option available. If you own FB and AEP, you may install TWO separate versions of Pacific Fighters €" first a stand-alone, and the second an upgrade of FB+AEP. This way you€ll be able to join both PF-only and PF+FB+AEP multiplayer games.


In order to run the game via Autorun, you will need the following CDs:

PF Standalone - insert Pacific Fighters CD2 into your CD ROM drive
PF + FB + AEP - insert Pacific Fighters CD2 into your CD ROM drive


When the CD is already in the drive you can always run the game via the Start menu, or he desktop shortcut



ATTENTION:
- Once again, any network play between installs of option 1 and option 2 is impossible.
- Any tracks recorded in option 2 using any objects or maps from FB+AEP will not be compatible with option 1. Attempting to load such track will fail with a €œmissing object€ error message
- Also, any missions created in install option 2 with any objects not included with option 1 will not work in install option 1, and return and error message.
- In the merged install we keep the FB-style debriefing icons based on the
Russians and Germans. In the PS stand-alone install the kill markings in debriefings are given new icons for Allies and Japan.



WARNING
If you uninstall a stand-alone PF installation, only PF will be removed. However if you uninstall PF from a merged install, the uninstall process will not only remove PF, but FB and AEP will also be deleted.



Minimum and recommended system specs

Supported OS: Windows 98 / Me / XP / 2000
Processor:
Minimum: Pentium III or AMD Athlon " 1 GHz
Recommended: P4 3 Ghz or above
RAM:
Minimum: 512 Mb
Recommended: 1 Gb or more
Video Card:
Minimum: DirectX 9 compatible, 64 Mb
Recommended: 128 Mb or more
Sound Card:
Minimum: DirectX 9 compatible
Recommended: Audigy series
Free HD space after install: 1.1+ GB
Network Play: high speed internet connection with minimum delay is highly recommended



Video Driver Compatibility

NOTE: This only applies to users utilizing our highest graphic settings.

Please note that we use absolute latest bleeding edge technology for some of our features, and some of the features in Pacific Fighters are built using technology not yet used in any other currently available product. At the moment of Pacific Fighters going gold some new graphic features may not work correctly with certain versions of video drivers due to video card manufacturer bugs. You may encounter graphic glitches with these drivers.

ATI
Driver versions 4.3 €" 4.7 are not recommended. Flickering polygons may appear, and the game may occasionally lock up.
For x800 series cards with Catalyst 4.8. The following problems may occur:
- Dark color of animated water in Perfect regime, with conf.ini setting of Water=0 or Water=1
Solution: use conf.ini setting of Water=2. Water color will be normal, but the game may run slower.
- Glass reflection may disappear when glass in near the edge of your screen
- Some delays may appear during the game


NVidia:
Latest official driver version 61.77 is unstable and does not support 3D animated water.


Recommended drivers versions as of September, 2004:

ATI

9600, 9800 cards = Catalyst 4.1

NVidia

Geforce 3/4/FX €" WinXP-56.72_WHQL
6600/6800 €" 61.11, 65.73WHQL (unofficial)


NOTE: we obviously cannot at this time comment on compatibility with future driver versions which may be released in the future. Please check the forums on our websites at www.il2sturmovik.com (http://www.il2sturmovik.com) and www.pacific-fighters.com (http://www.pacific-fighters.com) for latest compatibility information.



Additional Features
(Things that didn€t quite make it to the manual)

Open / Close Canopy: This feature is mainly designed for carrier ops. It will decrease your airspeed somewhat and is not recommended for combat.
It is ONLY available in some of the new planes that shipped with Pacific Fighters. It is NOT available on older planes that were built for Forgotten Battles, Ace Expansion Pack or our older games.

Wing Fold: This key will toggle your carrier-borne aircraft€s wings between the up and down position. Not all aircraft are so equipped. None of the land-based aircraft have this feature, and many carrier-borne planes, such as the SBD Dauntless or the F4F-3 were also not historically equipped with folding wings.
We do not recommend using this feature while airborne.
That doesn€t mean you shouldn€t try it once. Or twice.

Change seat position: this key toggles the pilot€s seat height between two presets: high and low. This feature is intended for use during take-offs and landing to help look over the aircraft€s nose. High position should not be used in combat as it prevents you from using your gunsight. You must open your canopy first before raising your seat.
This function ONLY works on the A6M Zero, F4U Corsairs and F4F/FM Wildcat series of planes. All other planes did not have seat systems that could be controlled by pilot in-flight.

Arrestor Hook: toggles your aircraft arresting hook between the up and down positions. Used to land on an aircraft carrier.
NOTE: not all planes are equipped with the arrestor hook.

Chocks: These are used to fix your aircraft on the carrier deck, and to reach full throttle before beginning to move. Otherwise a heavy aircraft, especially carrying extra fuel or ordnance, may not be able to reach sufficient speed if it begins moving before reaching max RPM. This is especially true for slow moving or stationary carriers, as their speed is added to your plane€s speed during take-off. In other words, an aircraft carrier moving at 20 miles per hour adds 20 mph to your airspeed even when you remain stationary with your engine off. If the carrier however is not moving, it means you need to reach an even higher speed before you run out of deck.
You€re not required to use chocks, and can release them at any time and simply use wheel brakes, however chocks provide much better control over your aircraft€s speed when you increase RPM.
After landing, if you wish to watch other AI or human-controlled planes land, move to the front of the ship and engage chocks. Otherwise the motion of the ocean may cause your plane to slide and fall overboard.

Speedbar Units: You can use the Toggle Speedbar key (definable in the Controls section) to toggle the speedbar between metric units, and imperial units with speed in knots or miles per hour. The speedbar will toggle through measurement units in this order: Metric -> Imperial / Knots -> Imperial / Miles.


Craters: When bombs and artillery shells hit the ground, the crater they create will actually affect any objects running over it. This most importantly affects craters placed on runway surfaces. If an aircraft runs over the crater its gear may be damaged and it may crash. These craters however are not permanent, and will disappear over time. The lifespan of the crater will depend on the size of the bomb or shell that created it, and may vary from 1 minute 20 seconds to 10 minutes.


Time Skip: This feature allows players to quickly transfer between mission waypoints in cases when flying normally would take too long. When using this feature the 3D render is completely turned off, and only the in-game clock is shown in the bottom left corner of your screen. During time skip the game does fully model all normal AI aspects, such as fuel consumption, pathfinding, etc. In other words, all game processes run as usual, only in accelerated time.
Please note that this feature heavily relies on your machine's processing power, and its general speed will depend on your hardware specs and the number of AI aircraft and other objects in the mission.
No key is assigned to this feature by default. You will need to bind one in the Controls section of the game.



3d models of humans

PF includes 3d models of human gunners manning most of our guns on ground and sea objects, such as ship and land-based flak and artillery guns, drivers and other troops inside trucks and amphibious assault vehicles, etc. However these objects cause a decrease in game's frames per second when shown, especially when related to large ships such as aircraft carrier which can have a hundred or more of these gunners in close proximity.

Therefore we've made this feature turned off by default.

If you wish to turn it on, you'll need to open the conf.ini file inside your game's root directory with notepad, locate the
[game]
section, and insert the following line there:
3dgunners=1
If the line already exists and you wish to turn the feature off, replace the 1 with a 0, i.e
3dgunners=0



Icon Color

Please note that in Pacific Fighters Axis units are given blue color icons on maps, and Allied are given red. While the opposite was true historically for the Pacific Theater, we kept these colors since we needed to keep PF compatible with Forgotten Battles and AEP, and that color combination is correct for the Russian front. Changing the icon color would of course affect all areas modeled in the game, and as different colors were used in different theaters, it would invariably end up being wrong for some of the areas.
Thus we simply decided to keep the icon color unchanged.

Radio Calls and Measurement Units
Please note that all radio calls in Pacific Fighters use one common system, regardless of nation or specific language. Due to compatibility requirements all voice instructions from your flight leader will always be in the metric system. However speech subtitles will give you both metric units and their approximate imperial equivalents where appropriate.
For example, voice command of "Altitude 05. Vector 0-3-0" will have a subtitle of "Height 05 (1,500). Vector 030". This means your intended altitude is 500 meters, which is approximately 1,500 feet; and your flight heading is zero-three-zero degrees.

How to land on an aircraft carrier

First and foremost, come in from the stern (i.e. from behind).
In order to make it easier to learn, we€ve included a non-historical helper feature that may be useful for people who otherwise find it difficult to land on the carrier.
If you turn off the 3D cockpit (Shift-F1 by default, with €œNo Cockpit€ set to On in the Difficulty section), you will see an extra reticle floating around the virtual cockpit. When landing, try to keep decreasing your airspeed, and keep the reticle on the centerline of the carrier deck, at about 1/5th of the total length away from the stern. In other words, this reticle shows you the direction of your speed vector, and the landing angle should be about twice as shallow as when landing on a land strip.
Also, remember that a three-point landing is a requirement, not an option when it comes to aircraft carriers. First of all, it€s virtually unavoidable when you land at an appropriately low airspeed. Secondly, most arrestor hooks are simply not long enough to snag a wire if you land with your tailwheel high above the deck. Finally, a two-point landing is likely to cause a rather strong bounce, that can be especially disastrous if you did snag a wire. As your landing airspeed increases, so do the chances of catastrophic failure.
We very highly recommend practicing this a lot before going into combat, especially online. There you will encounter carriers moving at greatly varying speeds in greatly varying weather conditions. Start with a fast-moving carrier in clear weather first, as this allows you higher approach speeds and a stationary carrier deck.



Specific plane features

NOTE: These features are only available at high realism setting.

A-20G:
Switch supercharger speeds at 2,200 meters (7,200 feet)
Maximum traverse speed for the electric top turret is 60 deg / sec

B-25J:
Switch supercharger speeds at 2,700 meters (8,850 feet)
Maximum traverse speed for the electric top turret is 60 deg / sec

F4F, FM-2 Wildcat Variants
Switch supercharger speeds at 2,500 meters (8,200 feet) and 4,800 meters (15,750 feet)
Flaps are automatically retracted at 250 km/h (155 mph)
Gear can only be operated manually; you have to manually assign keys for it in the Controls section.

F4U Variants
Switch supercharger speeds at 2,600 meters (8,500 feet) and 8,200 meters (26,900 feet)
The aircraft are also equipped with speed brakes that utilize a part of the gear mechanism. Please do not use this function during take-offs and landing, as in this way the gear isn€t supported by additional hydraulic pump and may very well break off under the stress.

F6F Variants
Switch supercharger speeds at 2,500 meters (8,200 feet) and 8,100 meters (26,570 feet)

A6M3-A6M7 and intermediate variants:
Switch supercharger speeds at 3,300 meters (10,800 feet)
Note: A6M5c is modeled with the Sakae 31a engine with methanol injection, instead of the Sakae 21. The cockpit has a gauge showing the quantity of the methanol mix. Unfortunately we were not able to find any detailed photos showing this gauge, and it is based on a diagram that may not adequately represent the historical gauge.
A6M7 model 62 also uses the Sakae 31a, however A6M7 model 63 reverts to Sakae 21 because of historical shortage of newer engines.

G4M:
Switch supercharger speeds at 3,000 meters (9,840 feet)

Ki-84:
Switch supercharger speeds at 2,500 meters (8,200 feet)


NOTE: Most other new aircraft modeled in PF use automatic or single-step superchargers that do not require manual control.


Attention:
We simply ran out of space on our 2 CDs and had to remove some cockpits for
several flyable aircraft. Free add-on containing these aircraft will be made
available at www.pacific-fighters.com (http://www.pacific-fighters.com) for a free download.



Influencing the War in Dynamic Campaign



In Pacific Fighters dynamic campaigns the player's actions influence the outcome of individual operations as well as the whole war. The system works by assigning a static number of points to each target destroyed, and calculating a total number of points for each side. If your side destroys enemy targets, points are added to your side's tally. If your side's targets are destroyed by the enemy, the points are subtracted from your side's tally.

The following point values are used:
Carrier = 100 points
Other ship = 20 points
Plane = 5 points
Tank = 3 points
All other targets = 1 point

The tallies are recalculated after each mission, and they're checked at the end of each operation. Each side is assigned a predetermined number of points which in each operation means a historical outcome (victory or defeat). If the operation's tally does not match the historical outcome, an alternative briefing is triggered which may mean a defeat for the side that historically won, or vice versa.

The grand total tally of multiple campaigns can also lead to an alternate outcome of the whole war.

Default value for an operation outcome is 100 points (added if it's a victory, subtracted if it's a defeat). War outcome's value is 1,000 points.

You can change these values by adding and modifying the following lines in the conf.ini file located in your root game folder:

OperationVictory=100
OperationDefeat=-100
WarVictory=1000
WarDefeat=-1000

These are default values. You can change the numbers to your liking. For example, if you want mission outcome to always be historical, you can set the parameters to unachievable high values, such as

OperationVictory=3000
OperationDefeat=-3000
WarVictory=30000
WarDefeat=-30000

By reducing the numbers you can make your contributions matter much more in the overall war effort.
Starting on Aircraft Carrier in Co-op and Online Campaigns

In order to maintain better online synchronization we had to turn off client-side collision for parked planes that are using chocks. In all other cases collision works as usual.



Full Mission Builder

Once again we€d like to remind the users that some rules need to be followed when building missions in order to get the Artificial Intellect controlled planes to act correctly.

1. Set a minimum of 3 waypoints each before the target attack waypoint, and before the landing waypoint.
2. In order to give the plane kamikaze orders, the attack waypoint should be its absolute last. If there are any additional waypoints, the plane will attack the target using conventional tactics
3. When setting up the waypoints around hilly or mountainous terrain, try to set waypoint altitude comfortably above the terrain to avoid AI flying into it. This is especially true if you with to set the aircraft flying at low level between the hills / mountains. If you specifically want this, you may have to experiment with waypoint placement. Remember, even humans often fly into terrain on accident. Don€t make it too hard for AI.
4. AI carrier landing, as described in the manual, is set by putting a Waypoint of Landing type on the carrier, as well as using the Set button with the carrier as target. If the waypoint snaps to a nearby land strip, just drag it back to the carrier. Also, please make sure you set AI waypoints to come in from the carrier€s stern. Note: AI may not land properly on a static carrier.
5. For AI carrier take-offs, same logic applies as above, only with the very first Waypoint in the aircraft path.
Note that you may set as many planes as you like to start on the carrier. However different carriers of course can only fit so many planes on the deck, which also depends on a plane type. You can fit many more smaller planes such as F4F Wildcats on an Essex carrier, than larger planes such as the TBF on a small carrier like the Casablanca.
So, the planes that do not fit on the deck will begin the mission airborne above the carrier deck, flying towards their next waypoint. If wingmen of one flight start in the air but their leader starts on the deck and there are no enemies nearby they will wait for their leader and then form up on him. If the whole flight starts in the air, they will simply follow their waypoints.
6. Try not to set too many waypoints at tree-top altitude. This is especially true for the very first waypoint in the aircraft€s path. Setting it to too low an altitude may very well cause them to fly into the ground. Minimum recommended altitude above flat terrain is 70 meters (230 feet)
7. Hold Fire function for AAA: please note that setting that value to 0 (default value) the gun will fire at all targets within its effective range without any delays. Any other numbers will limit the initial range at which the fire is openeed.



Controlling the pilot speech subtitles on your screen


If you wish to change the max number of speech subtitle lines displayed on the screen at any given time, open the conf.ini file with an editor, and locate the SubTitlesLines setting under the [game] section. Then set the setting to the desired number of lines. For example, to set it to a maximum of two lines at any time, you should have this:
[game]
SubTitlesLines=2

Note that the lines will also be automatically limited by your screen resolution


Dear sim pilot,

Our series of flight simulators that started with IL-2 Sturmovik has finally reached the Pacific Theater of World War II. In a very short period of time we've done an incredible amount of work which added revolutionary changes to our game engine enabling many technological solutions that brought features into the sim we've never intended for it to have many years ago when we began working on Il-2. Carrier ops, kamikaze, complex damage modeling on ships, new weapon types, and much more. As the result, the original IL-2 has become a truly global WWII simulator with over 200 planes, dozens of historical maps, incredible amount of ships, armor and vehicles from dozens of different countries, pilot speech in many languages, and so much more. All of this is available to customers who install Pacific Fighters into Forgotten Battles with the Ace Expansion Pack.

However please remember that we are still only a computer simulation, with capabilities limited by current computer hardware and many other factors, last but not least us being only human. In the initial release of Pacific Fighters we do not pretend to have complete historical accuracy in every aspect of the sim, as improving existing code and gameplay quality sometimes caused conflicts and caused us to look for compromise.

As always, we take pride in our work with the community, and we thank everyone who's helped us make our series of flight sims what it is today. Now, with the release of Pacific Fighters we'd certainly like to continue working with you. You after all are the whole reason we're doing this, and staying in direct contact with players is very important to us. Therefore if you have information which can help us improve existing or create better future models, such as flight test data, high resolution blueprints, cockpit photos and diagrams, pilot operating handbooks for flyable and AI aircraft, as well as other aspects of our sim, please send them to PF@1C.ru. As always we will try our best to respond to every one of you, even if we already have the information you're offering.

Thank you very much for buying Pacific Fighters!

Oleg Maddox
Head of Games Development
1C: Maddox Games
2004 1C:Maddox Games. All Rights Reserved.
2004 Ubisoft. All Rights Reserved <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FI.Spitsfire
10-13-2004, 12:07 PM
You can install PF over FB+AEP so it is really an addon but you can also just install it on its own. I'm looking forwad to crashing my plane into a carrier... I mean landing... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maple_Tiger
10-13-2004, 05:58 PM
It looks alot better whe you'r using the P-38L with two one thousand pound bombs.

Just make sure that you set the bomb delay to zero.

Seirrah
10-14-2004, 05:09 AM
Another questions..joysticks (oi, stop groaning at the back)

Is a feedback joystick the way to go? Or is it a bit of a fad and not recommended ? Thanks guys (and any girls http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

JG53Frankyboy
10-14-2004, 05:17 AM
well , with FFB activated i fly better , i can fell the planes shakings, but shoot much worser because of the guns recoil shaking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seirrah
10-14-2004, 05:23 AM
It shake when you take a hit ?

Tully__
10-14-2004, 05:31 AM
For some general info about joysticks see the link "Joysticks & FB" in my sig. As for FFB, some swear by it, others prefer without. It's a matter of personal preference.

JG53Frankyboy
10-14-2004, 05:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seirrah:
It shake when you take a hit ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

offline play yes.
online play, sometimes.

Seirrah
10-14-2004, 07:53 AM
Okay, thanks for the replies so far.

Another question...

In MP (the online campaigns or 128 player dogfighting) will a friend be able to be a gunner as you pilot the aircraft ? Or are gunners always AI controlled (except when you switch to their position)?

VW-IceFire
10-14-2004, 07:58 AM
In COOPs you can have a friend as gunner. In a multistation bomber (like a B-25 or a He-111) you can even have an entire group of players fly in the bomber.

In dogfights, this is not the case.

Jason Bourne
10-14-2004, 08:23 AM
but the one thing you need to be carefull of is that you should not get a Logitech joystick, even if you can get them for free, since they are POS and they just dont work, also their customer support is really mean, so i would say get a Saitech(sp) X-52 i think it is, the brand new one, since i feel that twist stick rudder is the best if you cant get a separate rudder.

Seirrah
10-14-2004, 09:53 AM
Thanks guys.

Any other joystick recommendations? FFB or not ?

Chuck_Older
10-14-2004, 10:29 AM
Personally, for the money, I would rather have a HOTAS setup any day of the week over a stick with FFB and nothing else.

I have had FFB sticks and I just don't like them. It feels gimmicky to me. I mean, my chair doesn't shake...feels odd to me.

I dislike twist sticks immensely. When I am pulling back on the stick hard, and roll left, then I want to add right rudder...uh, my wrist can't turn that way...I don't want to sacrifice a manuever just so I can have rudder on the stick

I am very happy with my Saitek X45. The rocker rudder took a few days to get used to, but it was not a hard thing to learn.

Seirrah
10-15-2004, 06:49 AM
wow that X52 looks a bit too good (read expensive) for my current skill level. I think i'll be choosing from a Cyborg Evo or a X45, depending on how how tight I am for cash http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Seirrah
10-16-2004, 01:34 PM
As the game has just a 'join' and 'create' option in the Multiplayer section is there some third party tool that is used for browsing servers etc? I heard hyperlobby talked about, is that the weapon of choice? Or maybe PF comes with a server browser now?

VW-IceFire
10-16-2004, 01:38 PM
HyperLobby is definately weapon of choice. A good portion of the community is on there. Right now I think there are 600 players (as I speak) online or in games.

http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/

Warning: There is a crazy site out there that shows up if you do a search for HyperLobby. It suggests that its malicious and dangerous to install...it is not...thousands of us play online using it with no problems for many years. Don't believe that. It works great and its THE place to find many servers for Forgotten Battles and soon Pacific Fighters.

Tully__
10-16-2004, 01:40 PM
One may also like to check out AllSeeingEye and GameSpy, but I also prefer Hyperlobby.

Seirrah
10-16-2004, 02:55 PM
Ah okay, so the big-boys work too. Thanks again guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Will give hyperlobby a try then considering you speak to highly of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif