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Hristo_
03-13-2005, 08:10 AM
So, what are your funny stories when using MK108s ? I know there are some as I have experienced one today.

A P38 and P63 were chasing a fellow 190. I dove on them in my A-9 and waited until P38 was in range. Fired a short burst with MK108s, not longer than 0.5 seconds. Some rounds hit P38 (about 200 meters in front), some went above it and one hit P63 way in front, at least 500 meters away. 1 pass 2 kill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Only a minute later a P39 destroyed a He 111. He lost his tail surfaces in the blast and was spinning out of control. Since He 111 was a gonner, I went to steal that kill. Fired the 108s, just as the pilot bailed out. Well, I could see a 30 mm explosion on pilot's body. Ccouldn't stop laughing at the poor guy for some reason http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Then later, same sortie, a P63 was some 1000 meters lower than me. I dove vertically, and squeezed a blind shot I never counted on to connect, 300-400 meters away, 90 degrees deflection. Well, the delightful 30mm explosion on his tail brought smile to my face once more.

So, thank you Oleg & team for porking MG151/20s. I've just (re)discovered MK108s in Fw 190. Those things are keepers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Sir-Tiedeman
03-13-2005, 08:13 AM
go rot in a trench somewhere you
****ed killstealer!

p1ngu666
03-13-2005, 08:16 AM
i got blasted by mk108 from 700metres+ by some guy yesterday, first shots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

BelaLvgosi
03-13-2005, 08:43 AM
On my eastern k4 campaign I dived over a group of il2s leveling behind the back and took 6 out in one run with the 3 mk108s after some crazy rudder targetting. Oh, that was my best mission score ever too, two yak9's were chewed just before with only the central cannon.

VW-IceFire
03-13-2005, 11:06 AM
MK108 makes up in spades for the poor performance of the MG151/20.

civildog
03-13-2005, 11:29 AM
No surprise here, I've been saying for years that the Luftwhiners have Mk-108's available to them as the great equalizers to any of the "uberness" they feel is unfairly inherent in the VVS and US planes.

And anybody flying an A-8 has no excuse for not vaporizing anything in front of him in less than a second with all that firepower. Unless, of course, he's just a bad shot.

OldMan____
03-13-2005, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CivilDog:
No surprise here, I've been saying for years that the Luftwhiners have Mk-108's available to them as the great equalizers to any of the "uberness" they feel is unfairly inherent in the VVS and US planes.

And anybody flying an A-8 has no excuse for not vaporizing anything in front of him in less than a second with all that firepower. Unless, of course, he's just a bad shot. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

just remember not every LW plane has MK108. My dearest 2.. FW190A4 and 190D9 both don't have it.

Something relevant too is that Mk108 is not that good for people with higher ping (since the lag combined to slow speed makes targeting notvery easy)

civildog
03-13-2005, 03:58 PM
The Dora doesn't need a Mk 108. The Antons have enough firepower to saw a bomber in half in a single pass.

BTW: I have DSL and often fly the G-6 but rarely use the 108. Why? Because of the weight. And because I'm a better shot than a pilot anyway so I can get kills or crippling hits with smaller cannon that others can't seem to get with the heavy artillery.

I just happen to feel that the 108 has always been more than adequate. Same with 151/20's - I've never had a problem with their destructive power no matter which side of th muzzle I'm on. I get kills with them just as often as am killed by them, no matter what plane I'm in.

On; problem I've ever had with any armament in the game is with the VVS's reluctance to give me more than a pocketful of ammo and the short-sightedness of the USAAF in not putting a 20mm Hispano in anything other than the Cobras or Corsair.

Just imagine a P-51 or 47 with a 20mm in the nose or a couple on the wings next to the .50's like the Brits did with the Spitfires!

NorrisMcWhirter
03-13-2005, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CivilDog:
The Dora doesn't need a Mk 108. The Antons have enough firepower to saw a bomber in half in a single pass. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I laugh at this and the spades comment because a similar but loose analogy would be to say that the P51/P47 don't need working .50s because the Hispanos work on the Spitfire.

Not everyone wants to fly having to use 108s. Some people, like Oldman suggests, fly 109F4/G2, 190A4/5/6 or 190D and actually want these aircraft to be correct rather than having to resort to 108s and being whined at for it.

Nothing annoys me more than spending time seeing 151/20 hits over an enemy plane (and I know they hit because Sturmolog tells me) then having some wideboy come along and pop it with a couple of grenades. I imagine the same can be said for landing hits with a P51 only to have some joker arrive in a P63 and cut it in half with one hit. Except that the .50s are more than adequate for dealing with enemy fighters at present.

Norris

civildog
03-13-2005, 05:29 PM
Funny, but I don't see anywhaere in my comment that I felt the 108 wasn't adequate, nor that the .50s were bad...merely that a 47 with a couple of Hispanos and the .50s would be awesome.

I frequently fly the G-6...oh, I said that up there, too.

Did I mention the Antons and Doras I fly also? The 151's on those never fail me. But I converge my guns at 100-200 meters, too. Same with my .50s when I fly the Cobras and P-40's...which I admit is more often than the LW planes because they are more challenging to fly.

Maybe part of the problem is that people are not getting close enough to do real damage? Just because you hit the plane at 400m doesn't mean the weapon will do the same damage as if you hit the target at 100m. All other things being equal.

If I blast a stormovik at 150m with a Dora I'll kill it every time in one pass. Maybe not a "Hollywood"-style catastrophic kill, but it's out of the fight. That's pretty realistic.

Same with a pass on an Anton with a Mustang - (Cobras won't count for this: I'll just vaporise the LW plane with the sniper cannon at 100m anyway) - all my 50's will hit it and blow it into a colander. Now, it may not go down right away, or burn, but it's out of the fight.

Except for those morons in the DF rooms that let themselves get killed because they take 100 rounds of .50 cal up the shorts and stupidly think their Anton should still be a good fighter.

Hmmmm...maybe part of the problem is that peole playing in DF rooms are playing the simulation unrealistically, so they are expecting unrealistic results in a realistic sim?

NorrisMcWhirter
03-13-2005, 05:40 PM
That would be valid except I find it a problem and I fly cockpit co-ops almost exclusively and only open fire when I get really close...like within 200m.

I'm not one of the DF-server twerps expecting to down something from 700m away.

Nor did I say that you said that the 108 wasn't adequate nor did I suggest that you said that the .50s were either. I suggested that an analogy to what you insinuated that people don't need to fly Doras because the Anton with 108s is available is like me saying that you should choose a Spit over a P51 because it's armament works.

I've made points all over the place before about not expecting Hollywood style explosions from .50s and I don't expect the same from 151/20s, either. What I DO expect is that, on average, it would take something like 5 20mm hits to down an enemy fighter provided that I hit something vital (not shooting from dead 6, for example). Sturmolog suggests otherwise on that count, hence my complaint.


Norris

civildog
03-13-2005, 05:54 PM
Actually what I said was that the Dora doesn't need a Mk-108. I never insinuated anything.

But, I can say that if the G-6 with a 151/20 and 2x Mk-131's can kill me in my Uberfire, Cobra, or Mustang (and I can do the same when I fly them) why can't you?

The Dora has even more firepower than that and I can knock down or render ineffective stormoviks (very heavily armored, those beasts) and blast the wings off B-17's, so what's your problem with them?

I fire at around 200m and closing, I use short bursts, I aim at the wingroot, engine, cockpit...and I find the only gun in the game that's frustrating to use is the .30 cal. All the others are adequate.

NorrisMcWhirter
03-13-2005, 06:03 PM
The comment regarding the Dora was made on the same line, in almost "the same breath." - that's why the insinuation was suggested.

You seem to be the best pilot around, Civil, as you can blast everything out of the sky with one simple pass.

Every single time, too. Without fail.

That's really rather impressive and you make it sound so simple so you're clearly the better man.

Or lying to further your point. Hmm.

Or maybe I really need to learn how to shoot....that must be the problem? Of course, Sturmolog tells me the hits are landing so I must be shooting right in the first place. Or maybe that's not to be believed. Or me. I've made all this 151/20 being weak business up...and I'll wake up, just like whatshername from Dallas and find it's all an evil dream.

Along with the others that find it a problem too.

I know - it's a mass hallucination!

Norris

p1ngu666
03-13-2005, 06:03 PM
civildog means they still shoot stuff down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
not aswell as they should but they do work. for arguments sake lets say mg151 is equal to 2 .50cals. dora has 2 mg151 and 2 13mm guns, =6 .50cals, effectivly

A series (late) has 4 20mm and 2 13mm so thats 10 .50cal

109 has 2 13mm, and 1 cannon, so 4 .50cal

so there equal in firepower to p51 d or b, and more than a jug

firepower is reasonable or average, or on 190A pretty good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

im goin off USN test that said a 20mm hispano is qual to 3.3 .50cals, and doing it roughly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
03-13-2005, 06:04 PM
btw, the il2 isnt that tough anymore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
03-13-2005, 06:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
civildog means they still shoot stuff down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
not aswell as they should but they do work. for arguments sake lets say mg151 is equal to 2 .50cals. dora has 2 mg151 and 2 13mm guns, =6 .50cals, effectivly

A series (late) has 4 20mm and 2 13mm so thats 10 .50cal

109 has 2 13mm, and 1 cannon, so 4 .50cal

so there equal in firepower to p51 d or b, and more than a jug

firepower is reasonable or average, or on 190A pretty good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

im goin off USN test that said a 20mm hispano is qual to 3.3 .50cals, and doing it roughly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I'm fully aware of what he's know what he's saying - he is suggesting all lwhiners need to go to Civil's school of unbelievable gunnery because it's our aim, or the fact that we inhabit DF servers that is the problem.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Norris

HelSqnProtos
03-13-2005, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sir-Tiedeman:
go rot in a trench somewhere you
****ed killstealer! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right on !! Nothing worse than killstealing df bitjes.

civildog
03-13-2005, 06:17 PM
Actually I'm a terrible pilot - always beat the hell out of my plane landing. I just try to make up for it by being a better-then-most shot.

I also count a softkill as a kill even though the computer won't give me points for it. If the enemy is out of the fight, that's good enough for me. I fly in both CoOps and DF so I get plenty of experience in both styles of fighting, but I stick to my own rules as outlined above.

However, I really like your idea, since I can always use a little extra cash> if you wanna gain the benefits of my shooting abilities then please make your check out to:

CivilDog's Gunfighting Academy
"We'll teach you to hit the target or you'll die trying."

NorrisMcWhirter
03-13-2005, 06:24 PM
"I also count a softkill as a kill even though the computer won't give me points for it. If the enemy is out of the fight, that's good enough for me. "

Yes, precisely my point - I don't think that all planes have to suffer a catastrophic failure when I hit them like most of the morons who shoot off into their pants over guncam movies which are mostly propaganda anyway. And we've seen posts to that effect.

If I hit something and it merely puts them out of the fight, then that's good enough for me. After all, it's mostly a battle of attrition and someone taking no further part and having to go home is as good as them lawndarting trailing
fire.

Perhaps it's my misunderstanding, though? When it's suggested that 5 20mm hits is enough to down a fighter, perhaps they mean that it's enough to put them out of the fight. Merely a terminology issue, then.

Norris

civildog
03-13-2005, 07:03 PM
Yup, I think you hit the nail on the head...what we have here is just a failure to communicate.


But I'll still take that check.....

OldMan____
03-14-2005, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
civildog means they still shoot stuff down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
not aswell as they should but they do work. for arguments sake lets say mg151 is equal to 2 .50cals. dora has 2 mg151 and 2 13mm guns, =6 .50cals, effectivly

A series (late) has 4 20mm and 2 13mm so thats 10 .50cal

109 has 2 13mm, and 1 cannon, so 4 .50cal

so there equal in firepower to p51 d or b, and more than a jug

firepower is reasonable or average, or on 190A pretty good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

im goin off USN test that said a 20mm hispano is qual to 3.3 .50cals, and doing it roughly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

just remember german 13 mm are inferior to .50 (as in RL) In fact 13mm is about .75 times a .50. So a Dora has 5.5 .50 firepowers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

anarchy52
03-14-2005, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i got blasted by mk108 from 700metres+ by some guy yesterday, first shots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

at that distance you should be able to outrun the shells in your Spit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mynameisroland
03-14-2005, 12:11 PM
Mg151 20mm is equivalent to 3 x .50 cal machine guns. I read that somewhere from an US Army airforce source.

p1ngu666
03-14-2005, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i got blasted by mk108 from 700metres+ by some guy yesterday, first shots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

at that distance you should be able to outrun the shells in your Spit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

shame, was in a p51D http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif