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mike_espo
07-30-2007, 03:58 PM
I was wondering if the Nomonhan campaign is worth it, I love the Ki-27 Nate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif...was waiting for it for years.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

any thoughts?

thanks

mike_espo
07-30-2007, 03:58 PM
I was wondering if the Nomonhan campaign is worth it, I love the Ki-27 Nate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif...was waiting for it for years.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

any thoughts?

thanks

Bearcat99
07-30-2007, 04:24 PM
I don't know what the Nomonhan campaign is... but 46 is definitely worth the $19 that it is going for now. If you are into warbirds, or flight sims.. you wont be sorry.

BrotherVoodoo
07-30-2007, 04:25 PM
Yes sir...1946 is worth every penny. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

mike_espo
07-30-2007, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I don't know what the Nomonhan campaign is... but 46 is definitely worth the $19 that it is going for now. If you are into warbirds, or flight sims.. you wont be sorry. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks for the reply. The 1939 border war between the Soviets and Japan. I read somwhere that 1946 included a campaign..don't know if it is scripted or dynamic...

Bearcat99
07-30-2007, 04:34 PM
Rgr that.. well the good thing is if no one has made it yet.. it can be made.. this sim is fantastic. IMO it is the best WWII combat sim to date if looked at in it's totality. There are some sims that do some things better.. but no sim does all the things as good as this one does. At least for now.. they say WoV will be getting multiplayer... we'll see.. in the meantime... IL2 1946 is going for $19 in most stores in the U.S. You cant beat that with a stick.

stalkervision
07-30-2007, 04:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">fantastic </div></BLOCKQUOTE> ??

Very very very good yes, fantastic? no.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I believe Bearcat is being just a tad biased here.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

well worth the purchase in any case.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

stalkervision
07-30-2007, 04:50 PM
I'm afraid WOV multiplayer will just bring on over all you coo-coo for fruit loops multiplayers like Bearcat to infect your cooties on BOB just as you have done in Il-2... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Bearcat99
07-30-2007, 05:08 PM
To each his own I guess.... to me it is fantastic....

stalkervision
07-30-2007, 05:11 PM
At heart your a multi-player guy aren't you..? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have to admit Il-2 does that very very well.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mbfRoy
07-30-2007, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
To each his own I guess.... to me it is fantastic.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed... best combat sim ever made period.

mike_espo
07-30-2007, 08:02 PM
So, no I guess there is no campaign dealing with the 1939 Soviet-Japanese border war?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Skycat_2
07-30-2007, 09:17 PM
There might be as a user-made campaign, but there isn't one included on the DVD. The "Sturmoviks Over Manchuria" campaign that comes on the DVD is set at the end of the war I think. But as Bearcat said, it could be very easily made, since we have a Soviet air force c. 1940 and a Japanese air force c. 1941. Obviously, there are planes for each that represent the late 1930s.

Bearcat99
07-30-2007, 11:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
At heart your a multi-player guy aren't you..? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have to admit Il-2 does that very very well.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do both... I enjoy both...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mike_espo:
So, no I guess there is no campaign dealing with the 1939 Soviet-Japanese border war?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said... it can be made.... this community is pretty talented... and while we dont have things like aircraft and scenery mods.. (We dont really need them... and with so many flyables spanning over a decade... with most of the major players from some of the hottest theaters of the war... (Granted there are a few that are missing as flyables... most notably the Avenger and the Kate.. at least IMO) but the sim is a good overall package and will keep you busy and challenged for some time.

BaldieJr
07-30-2007, 11:33 PM
I wouldn't bother with it at this point. Its like 7 years old. I gave my copy to to neighbor kids but they don't like it much. They say it looks dull.

I hear Microsoft's Flight Simulator X is quite stimulating.

msalama
07-31-2007, 12:49 AM
A little mini-campaign of Khalkin Gol in 1939:

http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&get=1838

Old_Canuck
07-31-2007, 01:35 AM
IL-2 46 is more than fantastic. It's the benchmark for all combat sims. By comparison, BoB WoV was purchased, installed and uninstalled on the same day by my Scottish brother-in-law who isn't known to throw his money around. He gave me his disc to try it out but after hearing his critique on their AI FMs I decided not to waste my time.

Stalkervision is fortunate indeed that UBI cuts him so much slack while he persistently pushes WoV in their forum.

SeaVee
07-31-2007, 01:50 AM
@Mike_espo:

Yes, Il2 1946 is worth getting. It is a 'must have' for ANY air combat simmer and without a doubt the best multi-player air combat experience out there.

At this point 1946 is only around $20 and even if you have the prior IL2 series in its entirety its still worth it because one does not have to install all the incremental patches and/or merged installs, etc. to get it going.

More than worth it.

M_Gunz
07-31-2007, 04:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mike_espo:
I was wondering if the Nomonhan campaign is worth it, I love the Ki-27 Nate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif...was waiting for it for years.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

any thoughts?

thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get 1946 for the change in handling. For that alone it is superior to previous versions.

StormSand
07-31-2007, 09:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaVee:
@Mike_espo:

Yes, Il2 1946 is worth getting. It is a 'must have' for ANY air combat simmer and without a doubt the best multi-player air combat experience out there.

At this point 1946 is only around $20 and even if you have the prior IL2 series in its entirety its still worth it because one does not have to install all the incremental patches and/or merged installs, etc. to get it going.

More than worth it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bought it last week and I'm still a bit confused about the install. I feel like I might have missed stuff or something, the content does not seem to be as expansive as 5 games/expansions. For example, in the quick mission builder, there are only like 5 maps...but ads for each game suggest way more maps than that in each.

Is there anything during the install process that maybe I should have done but didn't? All I did was put in DVD 1 and click install when the autorun came up.

Is there maybe a guide to each of the single missions posted somewhere? That might reassure me that I am not missing things.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
07-31-2007, 10:13 AM
Not all maps available in QMB. One of the strange quirks of this sim. Try the full mission builder to see the others, or download Mission Mate or UQMG from mission for today. Links in Bearcat's sig. Find the 'Nugget's guide' near the top of this page.

Or you can click on his essentials link in the post below.
Top man, that Bearcat.

Bearcat99
07-31-2007, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StormSand:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaVee:
@Mike_espo:

Yes, Il2 1946 is worth getting. It is a 'must have' for ANY air combat simmer and without a doubt the best multi-player air combat experience out there.

At this point 1946 is only around $20 and even if you have the prior IL2 series in its entirety its still worth it because one does not have to install all the incremental patches and/or merged installs, etc. to get it going.

More than worth it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bought it last week and I'm still a bit confused about the install. I feel like I might have missed stuff or something, the content does not seem to be as expansive as 5 games/expansions. For example, in the quick mission builder, there are only like 5 maps...but ads for each game suggest way more maps than that in each.

Is there anything during the install process that maybe I should have done but didn't? All I did was put in DVD 1 and click install when the autorun came up.

Is there maybe a guide to each of the single missions posted somewhere? That might reassure me that I am not missing things. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hit the Nugget's Guide in my sig ansd scroll down to the links at the bottom. The deficiencies of the quick mission builder have all been rendered moot by the Uber Quick Mission Generator and Mission Mate. Patience is the keyword with this sim. Give the Nugget's Guide a shot... and just fly the sim. The single missions are ok.. I dont think there is a write up on the individual missions other than what may be in the brief, but if you also look at the M4T DL sections in my sig.. you will find missions, campaigns, skins and if you have any questions we here are all more than willing to help you... all except this clown....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:

You guys all act like you own stock in the company.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif In fact one of you "fan-boys" actually did it turned out and finally admitted it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Don't worry I hear the stock is still doing fine so you don't have to be quite so anal about one game.....
and BTW thanks Canauk and all you idol worshiping starstruck Il-2/maddox fanboys. I would have really liked to have had the pleasure of talking to Oleg in person on this forum about his great game once and a while but apparently your rabid drooling behavior over him here caused him to finally leave these forums for good.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He just wants to stir the pot.

For the record.... Thats FANMAN to you suckuh.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif and yeah I am a fan of 1c Maddox sims.. a HUGE fan... and it is justified... Whats not to like. You talk about us being anal... and yet how often do you see 1C flyers on the Shockwave forums going on and on about 1C products? Yet you and clowns like you continue to come over hear... just to tell us all how piSS poor the sim is or how much "better" everything else is... enhh.. why not just go there then and fly it till your hearts content... if you keep coming over here stirring the pot, hurling insults and acting like genitalia then you will be banned again so take note.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
Stalkervision is fortunate indeed that UBI cuts him so much slack while he persistently pushes WoV in their forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed..... thats because we know that this sim speaks for itself... but there are limits to how much BS one is willing to continually step in before the hose comes out.

Xiolablu3
07-31-2007, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
To each his own I guess.... to me it is fantastic.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



I agree with Old Canuck and Bearcat , its fantasitc.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Stalkervision is part of the dev team/help on the BOB2 WOV site.

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 12:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
To each his own I guess.... to me it is fantastic.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



I agree with Old Canuck and Bearcat , its fantasitc.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Stalkervision is part of the dev team/help on the BOB2 WOV site. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


No, but I wish I was.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I am just a lowly pion that has a copy of the game...

just like all you guys here..

Swivet
07-31-2007, 12:59 PM
Absolutely worth getting best WW2 sim on the market i think, and i just saw it at Walmart for $20. Almost bought the last 2 copies, but i already got 4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xiolablu3
07-31-2007, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
To each his own I guess.... to me it is fantastic.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



I agree with Old Canuck and Bearcat , its fantasitc.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Stalkervision is part of the dev team/help on the BOB2 WOV site. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


No, but I wish I was.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I am just a lowly pion that has a copy of the game...

just like all you guys here.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have read some of your posts on the BOB2 WOV boards, you are definitely involved in helping them in every way you can and putting down IL2.

ALso read your posts :-

'Well you opened a bit of a can of beans when you suggested doing comparisons to il-2 fm's.. and as anyone knows I am not exactly a Il-2 fanboy.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif'

'Guys what we need is the real expert on the 109 "Kurfurst"! This guy really knows his stuff!

Can someone please send him a copy of OUR game PLEASE!!

'I really want this guy on our side and over in OUR forums.. '

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php...ostorder=asc&start=0 (http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8561&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Be careful what you wish for, it just might happen... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I think sending Kurfurst over there might just be the revenge people here are looking for. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

nickdanger3
07-31-2007, 01:36 PM
If you are interested in a combat flight sim that includes planes from the Far East, circa 1939, there is only one choice.

And lucky for you that it's a great game.

Like people have said before, if you get IL2/'46 you'll be able to make some really cool, really realistic missions from the Far Eastern theater. There is a steep learning curve for both effective flying and mission creation, but the payoffs are worth the investment.

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 01:36 PM
"For the record.... Thats FANMAN to you suckuh.. and yeah I am a fan of 1c Maddox sims.. a HUGE fan... and it is justified... Whats not to like. You talk about us being anal... and yet how often do you see 1C flyers on the Shockwave forums going on and on about 1C products? Yet you and clowns like you continue to come over hear... just to tell us all how piSS poor the sim is or how much "better" everything else is... enhh.. why not just go there then and fly it till your hearts content... if you keep coming over here stirring the pot, hurling insults and acting like genitalia then you will be banned again so take note."


Now you sound like a rabid fanboy dog. Sort of like a pitbull that has been beaten too much.. Btw, you haven't once quoted ANY of the praise I frequently give the game. You just claim I am all negative agains't it which is FAR FAR from the truth. I play it alternativly with BoB and other games something you may want to just give a try?

Apparenly no one should comment on other games in your eyes except in the negative or to just sing the praises of this one...

I have many issue with BOBWOV ( believe it or not) It's far from perfect as all games are if you actually are telling the truth.. Holy Molley he admits BOBWOV isn't perfect!!!

He's tricking us! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif What's the trick? Ahh..there is none that's the trick.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Btw,anyone freely come over to shockwave all you like and complain about any issues with bobwov you have with the game to your hearts contents. No one will yell or hollar at you whatsoever. Even if you don't own it or have never played it complain about it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Say Il-2 is the most wonderful game on the planet and makes bob stinks on toast.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Tell all the issues you have with the game, they won't care. In fact they will actually LISTEN TO YOU! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

In fact many many people do complain about different things they either don't understand about the game or they don't like. Seevee and the guys never insult them or threaten them.

Ever..



Bearcat is right if the game is really good one should have little to fear from others peoples negative comments..

He is also right that too much can be too much at times..

I will just from now on let all rabid fanboys fight it out among yourselves about who is the bigger "Fan" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Sometimes I feel like a anti-war demonstrator at a "George Bush hand picked rally and infomercial" Any desent isn't welcome and if you do your being unpatriotic!


well hell I ain't "Un-Patriotic" ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the comment desk is closed....

SeaFireLIV
07-31-2007, 01:42 PM
Take it easy, stalkervision. I too am a fan of BOBwov and IL2 1946, but you are certainly pushing it a bit overmuch. Even Seavee here (if he`s the same Seavee from shockwave) doesn`t push it like you are and he`s one of the guys who`s helped made it what it is!

BOBwov IS good in its own way, but you gotta pick the right context to place it in, not just pop in a sniper shot with it every time someone posts, "is IL2 any good?"

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Take it easy, stalkervision. I too am a fan of BOBwov and IL2 1946, but you are certainly pushing it a bit overmuch. Even Seavee here (if he`s the same Seavee from shockwave) doesn`t push it like you are and he`s one of the guys who`s helped made it what it is!

BOBwov IS good in its own way, but you gotta pick the right context to place it in, not just pop in a sniper shot with it every time someone posts, "is IL2 any good?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya. I tend to go over the line now and then on any issue I agree.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I have watched " Mr.Smith goes to Washington" one to many times I guess..." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That's why George Bush won't invite me to his rallys I guess! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

well hell I ain't unpatriotic! Where do I sign up! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Sh-it I'm to f-in old to join now but I might make good cannon fodder! Any of you rabid fanboys want to join me? I will even let you lead the way.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif Hay terrorists, don't shoot me too much! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bearcat99
07-31-2007, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Now you sound like a rabid fanboy dog. Sort of like a pitbull that has been beaten too much.. Btw, you haven't once quoted ANY of the praise I frequently give the game. You just claim I am all negative agains't it which is FAR FAR from the truth. I play it alternativly with BoB and other games something you may want to just give a try?

Apparenly no one should comment on other games in your eyes except in the negative or to just sing the praises of this one...


Btw,anyone freely come over to shockwave all you like and complain about any issues with bobwov you have with the game to your hearts contents. No one will yell or hollar at you whatsoever. Even if you don't own it or have never played it complain about it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Say Il-2 is the most wonderful game on the planet and makes bob stinks on toast.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Tell all the issues you have with the game, they won't care. In fact they will actually LISTEN TO YOU! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

In fact many many people do complain about different things they either don't understand about the game or they don't like. Seevee and the guys never insult them or threaten them.

Bearcat is right if the game is really good one should have little to fear from others peoples negative comments..

I will just from now on let all rabid fanboys fight it out among yourselves about who is the bigger "Fan" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

First off... I DO own WoV.. so you can take your mouth out the side of your neck "dog".. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif and FSX... but that's another discussion so ...

Secondly... I could care less if anyone praises another sim or not.. but when you come into a thread started by a new community member asking a legitimate question with:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Very very very good yes, fantastic? no.. Wink2 I believe Bearcat is being just a tad biased here.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm afraid WOV multiplayer will just bring on over all you coo-coo for fruit loops multiplayers like Bearcat to infect your cooties on BOB just as you have done in Il-2... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
and
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and BTW thanks Canauk and all you idol worshiping starstruck Il-2/maddox fanboys. I would have really liked to have had the pleasure of talking to Oleg in person on this forum about his great game once and a while but apparently your rabid drooling behavior over him here caused him to finally leave these forums for good.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


that I have issues with. First off you don't know JACK about what I like or don't like about WoV because you never asked.. and secondly, and more importantly... THAT ISN"T WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.. so drop the BS or be gone.

crazyivan1970
07-31-2007, 03:30 PM
stalkervision, tell us the truth, how much Shockwave is paying you to promote BOB2 on this board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Come on, dont be shy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaVee
07-31-2007, 03:39 PM
Yes SeaFireLIV, I am the same SeaVee that posts at SW and also at SimHQ.

I would like to make clear I have never and will never speak negatively about IL2 - here or elsewhere. First of all there is nothing derogatory to say about IL2 - it is a fantastic and classic game - and the praise I have given it here and elsewhere is fully warranted. Secondly I don't think its fair or right to criticize - directly or indirectly - the game or its community - much less in Ubisofts own forums.

Stalkervision, these are Ubisoft's forums and the IL2 folks have been gracious enough to allow ocassional posts/queries about BoB2 here. There are a number of members here that are also members at Shockwave and owners of both games. This thread (and others on these boards) however are certainly NOT about BoB2 and there is no reason to have unilaterally brought it up - much less without a specific query about it from anyone...

I know you obviously like BoB2 but its understandable that many here will view your posts in this regard as out of line.

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaVee:
Yes SeaFireLIV, I am the same SeaVee that posts at SW and also at SimHQ.

I would like to make clear I have never and will never speak negatively about IL2 - here or elsewhere. First of all there is nothing derogatory to say about IL2 - it is a fantastic and classic game - and the praise I have given it here and elsewhere is fully warranted. Secondly I don't think its fair or right to criticize - directly or indirectly - the game or its community - much less in Ubisofts own forums.

Stalkervision, these are Ubisoft's forums and the IL2 folks have been gracious enough to allow ocassional posts/queries about BoB2 here. There are a number of members here that are also members at Shockwave and owners of both games. This thread (and others on these boards) however are certainly NOT about BoB2 and there is no reason to have unilaterally brought it up - much less without a specific query about it from anyone...

I know you obviously like BoB2 but its understandable that many here will view your posts in this regard as out of line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ya, as I have admitted before I do go overboard sometimes. I like both games a lot and much more but then again I see problems with both. People take it the wrong way because I don't present the problems in a "kinder and gentle-er" manner... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That's my fault I guess..

I am an open and silly kind of guy. It makes the other perspective a bit hard to understand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Hell, Come right over to shockwave and insults all you like. We enjoy it even! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

This is one FREE PASS to insult our forums and our game all you like!

actually your welcome to do that anyway anytime you want to because we need the cash so darn much visting our site helps pay the bills! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sillius_Sodus
07-31-2007, 05:57 PM
Even a bad WWII flight sim is better than a good wizard/orc/elf game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Skycat_2
07-31-2007, 06:30 PM
The 1946 DVD is the best flight sim value going, period. It's also one of the best multiplayer combat games out there.

Microsoft has tried to emulate the IL-2 series back in 2003 with Combat Flight Simulator 3, but 'just didn't get it.' It has done much better with FSX, which 'feels' closer to the IL-2 experience instead of just being a 'levers and buttons' simulator that primarily makes pretty screenshots. But we're talking $70 or $50 (USD) for FSX vs. $20 for the 1946 DVD.

If you are a warbirds enthusiast, consider that 1946 gives you 200 flyable variants--everything from biplanes to bombers to jet fighters--and that it represents theaters all over the globe during WWII. Landing on moving, pitching carriers are a challenge and a blast. If you master that, try mastering a dive bomber or the bombsight on a level bomber. And several planes have unique features, like the adjustable gyroscopic gunsight on the P-51D.

If you just want to fly historic planes, research the price of a few add-ons for the Microsoft Flight Simulator series. Most run around $20-$30 for a pack with one or two variants of the same plane and some alternate paint schemes. IL-2 1946 gives you a lot to play with right out of the box, and will keep you busy for a long time.

Old_Canuck
07-31-2007, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaVee:
Yes SeaFireLIV, I am the same SeaVee that posts at SW and also at SimHQ.

I would like to make clear I have never and will never speak negatively about IL2 - here or elsewhere. First of all there is nothing derogatory to say about IL2 - it is a fantastic and classic game - and the praise I have given it here and elsewhere is fully warranted. Secondly I don't think its fair or right to criticize - directly or indirectly - the game or its community - much less in Ubisofts own forums.

Stalkervision, these are Ubisoft's forums and the IL2 folks have been gracious enough to allow ocassional posts/queries about BoB2 here. There are a number of members here that are also members at Shockwave and owners of both games. This thread (and others on these boards) however are certainly NOT about BoB2 and there is no reason to have unilaterally brought it up - much less without a specific query about it from anyone...

I know you obviously like BoB2 but its understandable that many here will view your posts in this regard as out of line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SeaVee, I want to believe you are sincere but this seems like the old "good cop bad cop" routine. Just a suggestion but maybe it's time to cut the bad cop out of your promotional scheme as he's not exactly helping your cause. I've supported a good many flight sims but let's be honest and give credit where it's due. IL-2 is tried and true / WoV might be good too but some of us have limited time for recreation so it seems appropriate to stick with the best.

For the record, my brother in law is very knowledgable on the topic of WWII aviation and I respect his opinion. Nevertheless I might have disregarded his opinion and given your product a bit of time as WoV does has supporters on this forum whose opinions I also respect. But the rantings of your loose-cannon partner had already alienated me from the thought of giving it a try. Don't dismiss my single opinion too lightly. Anyone in marketing or politics knows that if someone writes in with an opinion, you can multiply it by a lot of others who are thinking the same thing.

knightflyte
07-31-2007, 10:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">fantastic </div></BLOCKQUOTE> ??

Very very very good yes, fantastic? no.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I believe Bearcat is being just a tad biased here.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

well worth the purchase in any case.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



You say that like it's a bad thing, stalker. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
07-31-2007, 10:37 PM
I believe this thread was originally " Is Il-2 worth buying. Actually it was, in more detail..

"I was wondering if the Nomonhan campaign is worth it, I love the Ki-27 Nate ...was waiting for it for years..

any thoughts?

thanks

For me...I love the nate also.. Yes it is... For sure! Absolutely!


I believe everyone here agrees on that don't we.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

case closed..

unless you really hate " the Nate.."

or the "Nomonhan campaign"


actually even if you really hate the nate and the Nomonhan campaign the rest of the game makes up for that also in spades we all agree on...


case still closed..

Frenchie_334th
07-31-2007, 11:52 PM
~S~

Thought I'd put my two cents here.

Is IL2 1946 good. No.....it's a fantastic sim. I play SHIII & SH4 but most of my time is spent with 1946.

You compare sims like CFS1...2..or even 3(I think they made not sure)or any others 1946 puts them to shame. There are even other sims that make you pay to play...what kind of BS is that??

I'm really looking forward to Knights of the Sky & BOB as well. Can hardly wait.



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Copperhead310th
08-01-2007, 01:37 AM
Is it worth it?
Hell yes. Concider this. over the last five years i've spent well over $250.00 to $300.00 one everything that they have realesed for this sim. in other words....lol what your ploping down a meesly $19 bucks for now...myself and a buch of other guys around here have paind well over 250 clams for over the last five yers or so.

look at it this:
Forgotten battles, Aces Expantion Pack, Pacific Fighters, Sturmovicks over manchuria & Il-2 1946. Along with all patches INCLUDED ON THE DISK. (Except the last patch. 4.08)
Price: Around 250 bucks

Il2-1946 DvD - With all that listed above: 19.00 bucks. (beacat says 19 but last one i saw was this week in a local wallmartt for around 30)

Do the math Sherlok. lol ;-)
be damm near the Smartest/best 20 bucks you ever spent.

woofiedog
08-01-2007, 02:18 AM
Quote... lol what your ploping down a meesly $19 bucks for now...myself and a buch of other guys around here have paind well over 250 clams for over the last five yers or so.

Well stated... and don't forget the addon projects of skins and missions. Like Operation Barbarossa and such. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bearcat99
08-01-2007, 06:15 AM
The thing is.. I boughyt IL2 when it was still $49... andI paid full price for every add on.. even the 46 DVD I got for $39.99 from GoGamer.. and if I had to choose between waiting till now to come to this sim and saving the bucks or doing like I did and paying full price with the last 5+years of flying? It's a no brainer for me... the best few hundred bucks I ever spent.. at $19 or even $30... it is a steal as far as fun had per dollar spent. Have you ever been to Disneyworld? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif