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WildeSau1975
07-10-2007, 09:09 AM
Hi all,

Want to know what propeller combat flight sim you would fly mainly if the IL-2 series games (incl. FB and PF) would not exisit. Any why would you focus on this specific game.

Looking forward to your replies.

I for myself would have some problems - CFS series is not my thing because it's too arcadish, EAW is a little bit outdated towards graphics and WWII Fighters is not offering enough variety. And BoB I havent checked yet.

WildeSau1975
07-10-2007, 09:09 AM
Hi all,

Want to know what propeller combat flight sim you would fly mainly if the IL-2 series games (incl. FB and PF) would not exisit. Any why would you focus on this specific game.

Looking forward to your replies.

I for myself would have some problems - CFS series is not my thing because it's too arcadish, EAW is a little bit outdated towards graphics and WWII Fighters is not offering enough variety. And BoB I havent checked yet.

avimimus
07-10-2007, 09:16 AM
SWOTL, Redbaron, AOE.

Maybe SFP1 or EAW or WWIIF...

BOB is quite decent (large formations, nice lighting).

stalkervision
07-10-2007, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WildeSau1975:
Hi all,

Want to know what propeller combat flight sim you would fly mainly if the IL-2 series games (incl. FB and PF) would not exisit. Any why would you focus on this specific game.

Looking forward to your replies.

I for myself would have some problems - CFS series is not my thing because it's too arcadish, EAW is a little bit outdated towards graphics and WWII Fighters is not offering enough variety. And BoB I havent checked yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

check out BOBWOV... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

DmdSeeker
07-10-2007, 09:34 AM
Aces high; although to be fair it's been about 5 years since I tried WWIIOL; in which time it may have progressed past "suck".

I'd probably give Target ware a serious look too.

danjama
07-10-2007, 09:58 AM
Definately BoB2 WoV. Once configured to your liking it is a peachy sim. I play it alongside il2, and rate it much higher for offline play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif Did i say that in public?

The Spitfire is much nicer to fly, more real feeling, and the fully 3d/clickable cockpits are great fun.

horseback
07-10-2007, 10:07 AM
Probably still be playing MSFS2 and Red Baron 3D.

Of course, I might have toughed it out with MSFS3 if I hadn't become shamelessly spoiled by the original Il-2 Sturmovik for the year or so prior to MSFS3's release...

Instead, 45 minutes after installing it, the CD became an expensive silver frisbee.

cheers

horseback

TooCooL34
07-10-2007, 10:16 AM
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mbfRoy
07-10-2007, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TooCooL34:
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Bearcat99
07-10-2007, 11:08 AM
I dunno.. I might not be simming. From 01-05 there really wasn't much to choose from. If all I had to go with in 02 was CFS3... well I might have just moved on. It was IL2 that kept my intrest in simming strong... and then when FB came out... it was a done deal. Even if no other products were to come out for the next 5 years... this sim would sustain me..... since I know that the community would keep cranking stuff out.

faustnik
07-10-2007, 11:11 AM
I would still be playing Panzer Elite.

F19_Orheim
07-10-2007, 11:18 AM
hmm my hardware budget would have been considerably lower....

crazyivan1970
07-10-2007, 11:19 AM
ww2online

Brain32
07-10-2007, 11:22 AM
I would probably play only Strike Fighters series, I know it's jets, but that would be it.

Rebel_Yell_21
07-10-2007, 11:25 AM
Doing what I'm doing now. Waiting for KOTS.

FritzGryphon
07-10-2007, 11:32 AM
I concur with Elmo. I only fear that if IL-2 never existed, I wouldn't miss it.

Chris0382
07-10-2007, 12:17 PM
Actually Im getting hooked on GTA Vice City now.

JG52Karaya-X
07-10-2007, 12:39 PM
I'd probably spend my time with Falcon4.0 (the classic and/or "Allied Force"), the LockOn series and Condor.

Bremspropeller
07-10-2007, 12:40 PM
UT

I'm the first REDEEMER-ace.

mrsiCkstar
07-10-2007, 12:49 PM
Falcon 4: AF

Old_Canuck
07-10-2007, 12:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WildeSau1975:
Hi all,

Want to know what propeller combat flight sim you would fly mainly if the IL-2 series games (incl. FB and PF) would not exisit. Any why would you focus on this specific game.

Looking forward to your replies.

I for myself would have some problems - CFS series is not my thing because it's too arcadish, EAW is a little bit outdated towards graphics and WWII Fighters is not offering enough variety. And BoB I havent checked yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since IL2 series I cannot bow to another combat sim. That said: There is no SoW but SoW and IL2 is his prophet.

willyvic
07-10-2007, 12:55 PM
If IL2 never existed? Easy, CFS3 cause the CFS franchise was only free WWII big dog on the block before Oleg made his debut. If Maddox hadn't appeared I would not have known any better.


WV

Jaste07
07-10-2007, 01:00 PM
WW2OL is the other one that I play. I find the best part about it is that the multiplayer battles you do are actually meaningful to the campaign as a whole, as opposed the the random DM's on sims such as Il2.

Hoatee
07-10-2007, 01:26 PM
WW2ol is precisely what I woudn't play. I'm not paying my fee (monthly, quarterly, half-yearly, ann[u]ally or otherwise) so I can't play online. And there's nothing to fly against offline. So I guess that means nothing - absolutely nothing (unless I was to take a step back to Warbirds III - still not a bad one).

boxmike
07-10-2007, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
I would still be playing Panzer Elite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Now where the heck did that one vanish? Another great work by it's community, enjoyed greatly. OstPack was cool. There still is nothing to compare in WWII tank operations, is there? Red Orchestra, WWIIOL?

Rgds,
- box

Jaste07
07-10-2007, 01:35 PM
I really dont see the problem with paying a fee to play an online game. The game itself is free. Its $15 a month, which really is not that much considering that the devs are running the servers and constantly coming out with new content. And theres nothing quite like a 15on15 dogfight above a town with 50+ people on the ground fighting for it at the same time.

I think a lot of people miss out on some great titles because the just see a fee and immediatly dismiss it.

faustnik
07-10-2007, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by boxmike:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
I would still be playing Panzer Elite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Now where the heck did that one vanish? Another great work by it's community, enjoyed greatly. OstPack was cool. There still is nothing to compare in WWII tank operations, is there? Red Orchestra, WWIIOL?

Rgds,
- box </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, hopefully Tiger vs. T-34 will be it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.simhq.com/_land2/land_072a.html

Dance
07-10-2007, 01:56 PM
If Il-2 had never hit the shelves, I would still be building planes for SDOE or flying round in circles in my Spit avoiding hi-flying 109's in EAW.

CFS, oh please... don't.

crucislancer
07-10-2007, 02:09 PM
Tough question for me. After EAW, I didn't really play many flight sim games, at least of the prop variety. I stepped away from flight sims entirely until this past January, so unless something really stunning landed in my lap, I doubt I would have played one again.

That's actually how I came to play IL-2. I purchased a 3 game set with Flanker 2.5, Silent Hunter 2, and IL-2, which I got mainly for Flanker 2.5. I wound up barely playing Flanker, don't play Silent Hunter 2 at all, and was totally surprised with IL-2.

Warrington_Wolf
07-10-2007, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
I'd probably spend my time with Falcon4.0 (the classic and/or "Allied Force"), the LockOn series and Condor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I cut my flight simming teeth on a sim about modern jets (A-10 Cuba),so I would probably just play LOMAC. I would have got Falcon4.0 but it doesn't have track IR support (as far as I know) so that looks like a no no.
In fact I have taken a break from IL-2 at the moment and I have been enjoying LOMAC instead (I know, I know I'm a heathen and I'm going to hell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif). It has a bloody steep learning curve even more so than IL-2 but a change is better than a rest, and it is interesting to learn new tactics and new skills.

Alloy007P
07-10-2007, 02:14 PM
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Hoatee
07-10-2007, 02:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaste07:
I really dont see the problem with paying a fee to play an online game. The game itself is free. Its $15 a month, which really is not that much considering that the devs are running the servers and constantly coming out with new content. And theres nothing quite like a 15on15 dogfight above a town with 50+ people on the ground fighting for it at the same time.

I think a lot of people miss out on some great titles because the just see a fee and immediatly dismiss it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm speaking as an ex-WWIIol player and have been there for long enough to know what it's like.

Banning players and keeping the annual subscription they just paid is also not good customer policy.

Roblex
07-10-2007, 03:22 PM
WW2-OL had a lot going for it. Flying low down is better than anything you will experience in IL-2 purely because the terrain has been designed to look good to a soldier.

When you come in to land in IL2 it is a over a flat wasteland. When you land in WW2-OL you come in over fenced undulating fields, over the hedge lined road and between the 3d trees to touch down on a grass field. It is also so satisfying to pop a bomb on top of a tank that you know has a human driver and has been pinning down and decimating your infantry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Before WW2-OL I played Warbirds and I have never matched the fun I had there taking part in weekly 2 hour long 'one life' recreations of famous air actions such as Midway or Ploesti with 30-40 human players on each side determined to complete their mission *and* get home alive.

Alas the strategic gameplay of WW2-OL left a lot to be desired and Warbirds changed its pricing structure to become stupidly expensive for people who just wanted to fly the serious recreations and not bother with the silly 24/7 deathmatch fragfest arenas :-(

3.JG51_BigBear
07-10-2007, 03:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Definately BoB2 WoV. Once configured to your liking it is a peachy sim. I play it alongside il2, and rate it much higher for offline play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif Did i say that in public?

The Spitfire is much nicer to fly, more real feeling, and the fully 3d/clickable cockpits are great fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen

Makabi-
07-10-2007, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by avimimus:
SWOTL, Redbaron, AOE. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

those plus AOTP.

slipBall
07-10-2007, 03:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Definately BoB2 WoV. Once configured to your liking it is a peachy sim. I play it alongside il2, and rate it much higher for offline play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif Did i say that in public?

The Spitfire is much nicer to fly, more real feeling, and the fully 3d/clickable cockpits are great fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1.....although not up to IL2 level yet

Stew278
07-10-2007, 05:02 PM
BoB2 WoV. It has been getting better with each patch. I like that it has the strategy aspect in the campaign as well as just flight simming. I haven't spent nearly as much time on it as IL2, but it's still a good game.

I'd probably be checking out some of the mods made for EAW or Red Baron if there was no IL2.

BSS_Sniper
07-10-2007, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
I'd probably spend my time with Falcon4.0 (the classic and/or "Allied Force"), the LockOn series and Condor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I cut my flight simming teeth on a sim about modern jets (A-10 Cuba),so I would probably just play LOMAC. I would have got Falcon4.0 but it doesn't have track IR support (as far as I know) so that looks like a no no.
In fact I have taken a break from IL-2 at the moment and I have been enjoying LOMAC instead (I know, I know I'm a heathen and I'm going to hell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif). It has a bloody steep learning curve even more so than IL-2 but a change is better than a rest, and it is interesting to learn new tactics and new skills. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Falcon 4.0 has TIR support. I have it, but I took it off the hard drive. The graphics are just so bad I can't deal with it. Too arcadish looking outside the cockpit and it ruins the immersion.

I do wish that IL2 had some competition. There's nothing wrong with that and maybe we'd get some things rectified with someone giving Oleg a run for his money. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

zardozid
07-10-2007, 07:12 PM
I'm a little embarrassed to say I used to fly "WarBirds", "Aces High",and "MS CFS 1 & 2" but I might have quit if I had not found IL2.

Life before IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif & life after IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

zardozid
07-10-2007, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I do wish that IL2 had some competition. There's nothing wrong with that and maybe we'd get some things rectified with someone giving Oleg a run for his money. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


If he ends up licensing the SOW engine we might see some more verity.

leitmotiv
07-10-2007, 07:43 PM
Good question. Nature abhors a vacuum. Had IL-2 not come along in 2001 there would have had to have been something. I suspect Microsoft would have done a better job on CFS3 because they would not have been under pressure to get it out. CFS2 was not bad at all for its time. If Msoft had made CFS3 an improved CFS2 instead of a dumbed-down dog, today it might have been a classic. Seems Msoft gambled simmers wanted a rudimentary combat sim after they made a detailed one in CFS2 and after IL-2.

WOLFPLAYER2007
07-10-2007, 08:50 PM
CFS2

Jaws2002
07-10-2007, 10:02 PM
Mostly LOMAC.

But I would have kept my subscription to Aces High and WW2OL to keep things interesting.

I came back for a few times to BOBII, but it never cought up. I tried hard. I have an up to date version.
It just feels wrong for some reason. Feels like the game is made out of really nice new parts and really ugly old parts. It just doesn't feel right to me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

ake109
07-11-2007, 02:49 AM
European Air War.

I liked the editor for the aircraft stats and weapons. Loved giving my 109G/K series some wing armament.

Bearcat99
07-11-2007, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Good question. Nature abhors a vacuum. Had IL-2 not come along in 2001 there would have had to have been something. I suspect Microsoft would have done a better job on CFS3 because they would not have been under pressure to get it out. CFS2 was not bad at all for its time. If Msoft had made CFS3 an improved CFS2 instead of a dumbed-down dog, today it might have been a classic. Seems Msoft gambled simmers wanted a rudimentary combat sim after they made a detailed one in CFS2 and after IL-2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who knows... they may still come up with a DAmage model add on to FSX and update the mission builder.. thats what they would do if they were smart...

LStarosta
07-11-2007, 09:21 AM
CFS3 because it is best sim.

reisen52
07-11-2007, 11:20 AM
MAW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif
http://www.medairwar.com

Warrington_Wolf
07-11-2007, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
I'd probably spend my time with Falcon4.0 (the classic and/or "Allied Force"), the LockOn series and Condor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I cut my flight simming teeth on a sim about modern jets (A-10 Cuba),so I would probably just play LOMAC. I would have got Falcon4.0 but it doesn't have track IR support (as far as I know) so that looks like a no no.
In fact I have taken a break from IL-2 at the moment and I have been enjoying LOMAC instead (I know, I know I'm a heathen and I'm going to hell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif). It has a bloody steep learning curve even more so than IL-2 but a change is better than a rest, and it is interesting to learn new tactics and new skills. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Falcon 4.0 has TIR support. I have it, but I took it off the hard drive. The graphics are just so bad I can't deal with it. Too arcadish looking outside the cockpit and it ruins the immersion.

I do wish that IL2 had some competition. There's nothing wrong with that and maybe we'd get some things rectified with someone giving Oleg a run for his money. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't know that Falcon4.0 had TIR support, when did that happen?
I'm glad that it has TIR but I'm giving it second thoughts because of what you said about the graphics (I know that they are not everything, heck A-10 Cuba had awful graphics by todays standards). I have heard rumours that there is going to be an F-16 addon for LOMAC so I probably won't bother with Falcon4.0, besides I'm just getting comfy in my brand spanking new SU-27.

faustnik
07-11-2007, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by reisen52:
MAW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif
http://www.medairwar.com </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, for flight sims, I'd go with that.

Hoatee
07-11-2007, 01:42 PM
I forgot I bought BOB2 as well. It's fiddlier to configure than in IL2 and there's quite a long loading time. Also I can only get it to work with an ATI card and not with an nVidia card. The campaign mode is interesting and it's great the way you can jump in when contact is made. It also works with me 3d glasses - http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Lomac is great.

ps : and at the sight of the last post, we all flew away.

T_O_A_D
07-11-2007, 01:45 PM
Nothing Online for sure.

I was sick of all the cheating in the open source games long befoer IL2 and was considering dropping out of the PC gaming world.

VMF-214_HaVoK
07-11-2007, 02:46 PM
Lomac FC all the way.

Chivas
07-11-2007, 03:51 PM
I probably would have quit combat flight sims by now. BOB WOV would have held my interest for awhile but without multiplayer it would have become stale quickly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Haigotron
07-11-2007, 07:20 PM
I would make paper plane versions of those found in Il-2 - b/c they would still have better FM than any other game out there

Sillius_Sodus
07-11-2007, 07:43 PM
Props: AOTP, EAW, Janes WWII Fighters, CFS2.

Choppers: Janes Longbow II, Hind (forget the publisher)

Jets: Anything from Janes, Strike fighters series, Lomac.


Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

LStarosta
07-11-2007, 08:28 PM
Not exactly combat sim, but Condor Soaring Simulator. It is the canine's testicles.