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Waldo.Pepper
04-18-2007, 10:16 PM
First off here's the picture and then the caption from Luftwaffe im Focus No. 11 page 10.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/LIF%2011%20blown%20barrel/pissedoff.jpg


Enemy fighters, flak and small arms fire were not the only dangers faced by fighter pilots. Our photo illustrates the type of damage that could result from a shell exploding in a gun barrel, in this case an MG 151/20 cannon. The wing root of this Fw 190 of JG 51 was heavily damaged during a mission over the Eastern Front. Burst barrels like this could be caused by a mechanic failing to remove a muzzle cap or plug before takeoff. In the prevailing conditions of the Eastern Front - bad weather, shortages of technical personnel and rushed takeoffs - such incidents were not uncommon.

+=+=+=+ now.

Can you imagine how pissed off the pilot would be to not only have his life jeopardized by such stupidity - but then again to have something worth shooting at lined up and then blown!

Slater_51st
04-18-2007, 10:18 PM
Something similar to this happened to Norbert Hannig of II/JG54. Apparently some of the ammunition going through one of his wingroot cannons was sabatoged durring production and blew a hole in the wing. He was lucky enough to bring it over German lines and ditch safely(for him...his bird was trashed).

Good picture

woofiedog
04-18-2007, 10:43 PM
I'd be checking my crate with a loaded 45. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

ImpStarDuece
04-19-2007, 12:12 AM
There is an account from a P-47 pilot who was gunning for a Me-110 with continued long bursts and overheated his barrels, to the point where the ammunition started cooking off.

I also remember an account by a Spitfire V pilot over Malta was hit by Ju-88 return fire in his wings as he was peeling off after an attack. The return fire started cooking off his ammunition box. When he got back to base, the ammunition had stopped burning but his wing was a loose collection of holes and he wrote the fighter off trying to bring it in to base as it kept stalling and dropping the wing (although was unharmed in the landing).

joeap
04-19-2007, 02:17 AM
Imagine this modelled in BoB:SoW... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Well maybe not... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

p1ngu666
04-19-2007, 02:48 AM
goood thing 190 wasnt armed with 50cals http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

KRISTORF
04-19-2007, 02:52 AM
Naahhh, its only a scratch, done more damage shaving.

Pollack2006
04-19-2007, 02:58 AM
I think the ground crew would be more upset having to clean the pilot's seat afterwards.

DKoor
04-19-2007, 05:23 AM
It was the Bar that pissed them off more.

-HH- Beebop
04-19-2007, 06:01 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I KNEW there was a reason I didn't fly the 190. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WarWolfe_1
04-19-2007, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by -HH- Beebop:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I KNEW there was a reason I didn't fly the 190. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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Codex1971
04-19-2007, 06:26 AM
A friend of mine at high school told me his grandfather was a POW during the war and was assigned to a German airbase near Poland, there were 6 other prisoners along side him and they performed labour intensive tasks like carrying ammo packs, digging pits etc. etc.

One night his grandfather and another POW managed to sneak to the flight lines and file down the control cables of a plane, needles to say the the next morning a German pilot crashed soon after take-off but survived. When It was realised what had happened to the plane they lined up the 7 POW's and shot 5 of them in the head at random. My mates grandfather was lucky that day but his mate wasn't.

War's Hell

Bremspropeller
04-19-2007, 06:51 AM
Julius Meinmberg had to bail from his 109 (well, it actally wasn't HIS, but it was the only plane he could fly that day..), when a MK108-round exploded inside the barrel.

waffen-79
04-19-2007, 08:47 AM
I know I would be Pissed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Daiichidoku
04-19-2007, 12:16 PM
amazing that he landed that thing!

according to Oleg, given the type, size and area of damage sustained, that 190 should have lost aileron, rudder and elevator controls

oh, and lost all its fuel in 32,3 seconds

VW-IceFire
04-19-2007, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
amazing that he landed that thing!

according to Oleg, given the type, size and area of damage sustained, that 190 should have lost aileron, rudder and elevator controls

oh, and lost all its fuel in 32,3 seconds
I highly disagree...it would have surely been 33.0 seconds! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Akronnick
04-19-2007, 05:05 PM
It's just a flesh wound!!!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/akronnick/HolyGrail017.jpg

Choctaw111
04-19-2007, 06:40 PM
This one could have bee a lot worse.

p-11.cAce
04-19-2007, 06:40 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BillyTheKid_22
04-19-2007, 08:16 PM
http://english.jschina.com.cn/gb/jschina/english/havefun/caricatures/caricaturetop/images/00311965.jpg

JR_Greenhorn
04-20-2007, 12:54 AM
While this wouldn't be something to take lightly, I wouldn't take it out on my ground crew. As a pilot, you depend on those guys, and the last thing you want is to have them sore at you because you reamed them about something that may or may not have been their mistake. How can you prove that someone left a plug in, or the ammo was sabotaged, or it was just a fluke, et cetera?

Xiolablu3
04-20-2007, 01:03 AM
I believe the RAF used gun covers with either material or light plugs on regular combat missions.

I guess these were to increase performance and also stop **** getting into the barrels.

I have often seen what looks like shot through leather or thick material stuck on the end of gun barrels when RAF planes were landing.

I guess this is what the 'covered gun barrels' means, that we often see in SPitfire testing.